how many rolls per hour

do you think an average craps games gets. No how many points are passed, but just total number of rolls. Now im sure it depends how many players are at the table because the dealer needs to take and pay bets after every roll....But lets say the table is a little over half full and there are 10 players. How many rolls do you think there would be per hour?

With 10 players, between 80 and 100.

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With 10 players, between 80 and 100.

WOW thats it? I wonder how they rate comps? They must just have a universal formula they always use? and dont change their EV based on how many people are at the table. For example they always assume 120 rolls per hour no matter how many players are at the table. So if you are playing at a table with 3 players you are getting ripped off on comps? But if you are at a full table(16 players) you are getting over comped?

The "official" rate of rolls per hour or something is probably a rounded off figure easy to remember and easy to multiply.

One reason these darned dice setters are so hated is the house just wants to keep the dice moving. I've never seen dice move faster than on those day boats in Florida. The Strip is fast in Vegas, the downtown and locals casinos are thought to be generally slower sometimes of necessity due to inexperienced dealers.

Its the same way with blackjack. Those boats deal very fast.

Even in a place like Hawaiian Gardens in Los Angeles, bingo numbers are called out every 4.2 seconds. Speed is the essence.

The house edge is zero if the dice are stationary. The house edge is zero if the blackjack dealer is shuffling. Its "action" times "house edge" but its decisions per hour that count.

As for the casinos just picking a number and going with it for Comp purposes: that is fine with me. I'd rather wind up on the wrong side of a rough rule of thumb than have them take time to be precisely accurate. Those blackjack dealers may soak their wrists in liniment every night. I don't know, but they sure make money for themselves and for the house only when dealing, so they deal very fast or they get fired.

Its also one reason why I just pick up two dice and throw them. No song, no dance, no hem, no haw. No incantations about chicken dinners, No Baby Needs New Shoes. No This, No That. I pick the dice up and lob 'em against the back wall. I absolutely loathe all these superstitious types who do anything else but pick up the dice and roll them. If the Stick pushed the dice out to you, its time. You pick them up and you roll them. If hands are in the way, curse and yell if you want to but roll the bones!! Craps is not like Baccarat wherein everyone tries to slow the game down a bit in a campaign against the House so as to score a little "extra" high class booze or something. Craps is Action. Want to rub a bald head for luck? Sure, Lady but do it on your own time! Want to have chicken for dinner? Go ahead, Jerk, I sure ain't stopping you from it. Just pick up the darned dice and hit the back wall with them.

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With 10 players, between 80 and 100.

I will second that I asked a casino manager the number he wanted per hour in class and this was exactly what he stated.

The Wiz answered this question, for Craps, BJ and Roulette. It's the first question in Ask The Wizard # 136

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do you think an average craps games gets. No how many points are passed, but just total number of rolls. Now im sure it depends how many players are at the table because the dealer needs to take and pay bets after every roll....But lets say the table is a little over half full and there are 10 players. How many rolls do you think there would be per hour?

The per-hour goal I've heard is 102 at a full table.

I was at a table once when they were lucky to get one roll in five minutes. No joking. The problem was the shooter had already held the dice for about an hour and there was a lot of money on the table. The players were not experienced or even regular players. And as the dealers went around the table paying bets, the players were shouting out instructions and then changing instructions and then changing them again and again. It got to the point that two floor people had to come over to try to restore order.

Now obviously in the early going the rolls came quickly. But when "real money" was on the table? It was a mess. When one player said same bet another player said "take my bets off," and then the player who said same bet would say reduce me to half. And then another player would say off, and another would say press, and then everyone would change again.

Making matters worse, most of the players were friends and their wives were at the table telling their husbands what to do and the whole process would start over. And the shooter would throw another number...

There will always be extreme situations on each side of the table, but in general casinos know that it is "Action" time "House Edge" and that House Edge only applies when Dice are on the way to the back wall and when black jack cards are actually being dealt.

House Edge of BJ during a shuffle is zero and of craps during all the hoopla of chicken dinner. Thats why stickmen are so important in setting the pace of the game. Don't run over the base dealers but do give them the "call" clear and crisp and a patter that tells them what to do in what order.

The Florida Boats are fast because the crew gets constantly reminded of be fast or be gone.

Strip casinos tend to be fast, downtown is a bit slower and local casinos can be fairly relaxed, particularly if its a break in dealer learning his trade. Remember, casinos do have surveys in progress and MBA types with stop watches from time to time.