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January 16th, 2024 at 10:10:48 AM permalink
I seem to see there is very little about which craps online casinos offer in your view the best bang for your buck.
I only have played BetMGM and find the games not realistic. Enormous amount of 7 outs etc.
SO what this thread is about is "what site is in your view best for Craps".
Online Craps Its the game of the future
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January 16th, 2024 at 10:56:27 AM permalink
It's very doubtful Betmgm has gaffed their craps game. Hopefully in the future, if you hang around here, you will realize you are looking for the wrong thing anyway. What you want to find is an online casino that gives rewards and offers in such a way that you can come out ahead. I hear of these possibilities, but don't get details. You are probably going to have to figure it out yourself, using math
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January 16th, 2024 at 11:08:20 AM permalink
My desire as I see it is to become very good at the game and then pray the dice are fair. Since I have no casino nearby I figured there's got to be a good online site for craps. Theres hundreds of sites popping up and already running
Thanks for responding.
I am sure others are wondering the same thing. Where can I go where the game is fair
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January 16th, 2024 at 12:26:10 PM permalink
OK so you are looking for a fair game and that's it. I won't speak for you, I'll just speak for myself... to simply play Craps online would be the very definition of insanity. For me.

But if I was to do it, I'd have calculated how much in Total Action I was going to put on bets that have a house edge, every week, say. And then I'd calculate how much I was expected to lose every week and I'd ask myself if the entertainment value of winning, when I did win, was going to make that worth it . I'd rule out in advance any chance I'd complain about 'too many 7-outs' and that sort of thing. And I'd compare later what my total action was compared to what I had planned. I suspect I'd find I went way over, conclude again it's insanity, then try to get hold of myself. It's nuts
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January 16th, 2024 at 1:18:30 PM permalink
I wish to clarify that I am a newbie to craps and any positive input odiousgambit is appreciated.
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January 17th, 2024 at 5:50:02 AM permalink
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I wish to clarify that I am a newbie to craps and any positive input odiousgambit is appreciated.
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I do like to play Craps, in case you wondered. I think it in fact offers a chance to play a game with a house edge, with good chances to come out a winner frequently ... and in a brick and mortar casino, if playing a lot, I've found you can get over-comped so that you are basically playing free or pretty cheap. No guarantees.

With an online casino, I assume you can get comped, but never over-comped. The speed at which you are likely playing means coming out a winner is more rare. Your only chance to come out ahead or play free or cheaply would be by utilizing offers. I can picture those being sign up offers only for casino action especially ... but this is not what I'm doing so I can't tell you what to expect. What did BetMGM offer you?
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January 17th, 2024 at 6:13:16 AM permalink
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My desire as I see it is to become very good at the game and then pray the dice are fair. Since I have no casino nearby I figured there's got to be a good online site for craps. Theres hundreds of sites popping up and already running
Thanks for responding.
I am sure others are wondering the same thing. Where can I go where the game is fair
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You can't become very good at the game. Other than choosing bets with the least house advantage, you will get the same results from day one as day 1000.


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January 17th, 2024 at 8:03:26 AM permalink
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My desire as I see it is to become very good at the game and then pray the dice are fair. Since I have no casino nearby I figured there's got to be a good online site for craps. Theres hundreds of sites popping up and already running
Thanks for responding.
I am sure others are wondering the same thing. Where can I go where the game is fair
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You can't become very good at the game. Other than choosing bets with the least house advantage, you will get the same results from day one as day 1000.


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This website has free games, craps included. Why don’t you try it and keep a record on how you fare? You will find it’s likely way worse than you anticipated.

ZCore is correct. Once you learn which bets have what house edges, you can choose the bets that are least bad. But there are no bets at craps that give you an edge.

And OG is also correct. Unless there is some bonus that you are using/exploiting, playing online craps is just a way to toss money into the air and have it disappear.

The casinos do not need to cheat at craps. The game is naturally set up for the house to win.

If you play, might you win now and then? Of course. I’ll let someone else explain variance…..
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January 17th, 2024 at 8:24:06 AM permalink
Question: How does one know that the site is reading the bets of a player and adjusting the dice outcomes to create losses of any individual player? If two players are playing the same game at the same time making identical bets, are the outcomes identical?

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April 19th, 2024 at 12:24:21 PM permalink
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Question: How does one know that the site is reading the bets of a player and adjusting the dice outcomes to create losses of any individual player? If two players are playing the same game at the same time making identical bets, are the outcomes identical?

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Can someone who has played online craps for real money answer the question above? Essentially is online casino craps legitimate, if so, can you name such a site?

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April 19th, 2024 at 1:06:48 PM permalink
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Question: How does one know that the site is reading the bets of a player and adjusting the dice outcomes to create losses of any individual player? If two players are playing the same game at the same time making identical bets, are the outcomes identical?

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Can someone who has played online craps for real money answer the question above? Essentially is online casino craps legitimate, if so, can you name such a site?

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I can’t. No one can with 100% certainty. But since craps is a relatively low variance affair (compared to large jackpot slots,say) it doesn’t take long for a casino with decent volume to virtually guarantee a nice income stream (from you!) on craps. In summary, they don’t need to cheat to beat you. Not saying it never happens, but it never NEEDS to happen.
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April 19th, 2024 at 2:47:10 PM permalink
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Can someone who has played online craps for real money answer the question above? Essentially is online casino craps legitimate, if so, can you name such a site?

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I can’t. No one can with 100% certainty. But since craps is a relatively low variance affair (compared to large jackpot slots,say) it doesn’t take long for a casino with decent volume to virtually guarantee a nice income stream (from you!) on craps. In summary, they don’t need to cheat to beat you. Not saying it never happens, but it never NEEDS to happen.
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Thanks, SOOPOO. I live in Georgia. Can you recommend an online site, and is it easy to enroll? Also, can you tell me of the possible difficulties to withdrawing wins? I don't do Crypto.

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April 19th, 2024 at 5:59:17 PM permalink
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Question: How does one know that the site is reading the bets of a player and adjusting the dice outcomes to create losses of any individual player? If two players are playing the same game at the same time making identical bets, are the outcomes identical?

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Can someone who has played online craps for real money answer the question above? Essentially is online casino craps legitimate, if so, can you name such a site?

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I can’t. No one can with 100% certainty. But since craps is a relatively low variance affair (compared to large jackpot slots,say) it doesn’t take long for a casino with decent volume to virtually guarantee a nice income stream (from you!) on craps. In summary, they don’t need to cheat to beat you. Not saying it never happens, but it never NEEDS to happen.
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Thanks, SOOPOO. I live in Georgia. Can you recommend an online site, and is it easy to enroll? Also, can you tell me of the possible difficulties to withdrawing wins? I don't do Crypto.

tuttigym
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I am not the one to ask. I’m pretty sure the owners of this site, would recommend casinos vetted on their main site, LCB.org I believe?
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April 20th, 2024 at 12:41:38 AM permalink
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Question: How does one know that the site is reading the bets of a player and adjusting the dice outcomes to create losses of any individual player? If two players are playing the same game at the same time making identical bets, are the outcomes identical?

tuttigym
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Can someone who has played online craps for real money answer the question above? Essentially is online casino craps legitimate, if so, can you name such a site?

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I can’t. No one can with 100% certainty. But since craps is a relatively low variance affair (compared to large jackpot slots,say) it doesn’t take long for a casino with decent volume to virtually guarantee a nice income stream (from you!) on craps. In summary, they don’t need to cheat to beat you. Not saying it never happens, but it never NEEDS to happen.
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Thanks, SOOPOO. I live in Georgia. Can you recommend an online site, and is it easy to enroll? Also, can you tell me of the possible difficulties to withdrawing wins? I don't do Crypto.

tuttigym
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I am not the one to ask. I’m pretty sure the owners of this site, would recommend casinos vetted on their main site, LCB.org I believe?
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Yes, LCB.org. Every so often, BralasLT posts reviews and test results here that go into the deposit/withdrawal process and any oddities uncovered.

To cash out, you'll probably need to send in some documentation - I understand this is usually things like a picture of you holding your ID and a utility bill (proof of address).

Good luck.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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April 20th, 2024 at 3:59:16 AM permalink
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Question: How does one know that the site is reading the bets of a player and adjusting the dice outcomes to create losses of any individual player? If two players are playing the same game at the same time making identical bets, are the outcomes identical?

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Can someone who has played online craps for real money answer the question above? Essentially is online casino craps legitimate, if so, can you name such a site?

tuttigym
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I can’t. No one can with 100% certainty. But since craps is a relatively low variance affair (compared to large jackpot slots,say) it doesn’t take long for a casino with decent volume to virtually guarantee a nice income stream (from you!) on craps. In summary, they don’t need to cheat to beat you. Not saying it never happens, but it never NEEDS to happen.
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Thanks, SOOPOO. I live in Georgia. Can you recommend an online site, and is it easy to enroll? Also, can you tell me of the possible difficulties to withdrawing wins? I don't do Crypto.

tuttigym
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I am not the one to ask. I’m pretty sure the owners of this site, would recommend casinos vetted on their main site, LCB.org I believe?
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Yes, LCB.org. Every so often, BralasLT posts reviews and test results here that go into the deposit/withdrawal process and any oddities uncovered.

To cash out, you'll probably need to send in some documentation - I understand this is usually things like a picture of you holding your ID and a utility bill (proof of address).

Good luck.
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If you play in a state with authorized casino gambling, you'd probably experience very smooth depositing and withdrawing with your bank or with Paypal and those sites. Since Georgia doesn't have online casino gambling, you will probably have awkwardness with withdrawals like described here.

On the other hand, depositing money will be a breeze once you find what method they accept. And if you are going to play Craps online, you should never find yourself making a withdrawal. Just kidding... but I wouldn't be kidding if there wasn't such a thing as playing out a bonus offer of some kind.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!”   She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
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Question: How does one know that the site is reading the bets of a player and adjusting the dice outcomes to create losses of any individual player? If two players are playing the same game at the same time making identical bets, are the outcomes identical?

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Can someone who has played online craps for real money answer the question above? Essentially is online casino craps legitimate, if so, can you name such a site?

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I can’t. No one can with 100% certainty. But since craps is a relatively low variance affair (compared to large jackpot slots,say) it doesn’t take long for a casino with decent volume to virtually guarantee a nice income stream (from you!) on craps. In summary, they don’t need to cheat to beat you. Not saying it never happens, but it never NEEDS to happen.
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Thanks, SOOPOO. I live in Georgia. Can you recommend an online site, and is it easy to enroll? Also, can you tell me of the possible difficulties to withdrawing wins? I don't do Crypto.

tuttigym
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I am not the one to ask. I’m pretty sure the owners of this site, would recommend casinos vetted on their main site, LCB.org I believe?
link to original post



Yes, LCB.org. Every so often, BralasLT posts reviews and test results here that go into the deposit/withdrawal process and any oddities uncovered.

To cash out, you'll probably need to send in some documentation - I understand this is usually things like a picture of you holding your ID and a utility bill (proof of address).

Good luck.
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If you play in a state with authorized casino gambling, you'd probably experience very smooth depositing and withdrawing with your bank or with Paypal and those sites. Since Georgia doesn't have online casino gambling, you will probably have awkwardness with withdrawals like described here.

On the other hand, depositing money will be a breeze once you find what method they accept. And if you are going to play Craps online, you should never find yourself making a withdrawal. Just kidding... but I wouldn't be kidding if there wasn't such a thing as playing out a bonus offer of some kind.
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Thank you all. Based on the above, it looks like playing craps online makes me SOL.

Any recommendations would be appreciated. At my age driving distances have become somewhat difficult,

Are there any online casinos that let one in to view their gaming without an initial deposit? For example, viewing their craps game and answering questions?

tuttigym
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Question: How does one know that the site is reading the bets of a player and adjusting the dice outcomes to create losses of any individual player? If two players are playing the same game at the same time making identical bets, are the outcomes identical?

tuttigym
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Can someone who has played online craps for real money answer the question above? Essentially is online casino craps legitimate, if so, can you name such a site?

tuttigym
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I can’t. No one can with 100% certainty. But since craps is a relatively low variance affair (compared to large jackpot slots,say) it doesn’t take long for a casino with decent volume to virtually guarantee a nice income stream (from you!) on craps. In summary, they don’t need to cheat to beat you. Not saying it never happens, but it never NEEDS to happen.
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Thanks, SOOPOO. I live in Georgia. Can you recommend an online site, and is it easy to enroll? Also, can you tell me of the possible difficulties to withdrawing wins? I don't do Crypto.

tuttigym
link to original post



I am not the one to ask. I’m pretty sure the owners of this site, would recommend casinos vetted on their main site, LCB.org I believe?
link to original post



Yes, LCB.org. Every so often, BralasLT posts reviews and test results here that go into the deposit/withdrawal process and any oddities uncovered.

To cash out, you'll probably need to send in some documentation - I understand this is usually things like a picture of you holding your ID and a utility bill (proof of address).

Good luck.
link to original post

If you play in a state with authorized casino gambling, you'd probably experience very smooth depositing and withdrawing with your bank or with Paypal and those sites. Since Georgia doesn't have online casino gambling, you will probably have awkwardness with withdrawals like described here.

On the other hand, depositing money will be a breeze once you find what method they accept. And if you are going to play Craps online, you should never find yourself making a withdrawal. Just kidding... but I wouldn't be kidding if there wasn't such a thing as playing out a bonus offer of some kind.
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Thank you all. Based on the above, it looks like playing craps online makes me SOL.

Any recommendations would be appreciated. At my age driving distances have become somewhat difficult,

Are there any online casinos that let one in to view their gaming without an initial deposit? For example, viewing their craps game and answering questions?

tuttigym
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I mean this seriously. WOO has a fake money craps game. I think you start with $1k. Go there and play for a while. After you lose that $1k multiple times you may reconsider playing for real money. Remind me why you want to donate real $$ to an online casino?
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April 20th, 2024 at 1:19:12 PM permalink
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Question: How does one know that the site is reading the bets of a player and adjusting the dice outcomes to create losses of any individual player? If two players are playing the same game at the same time making identical bets, are the outcomes identical?

tuttigym
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Can someone who has played online craps for real money answer the question above? Essentially is online casino craps legitimate, if so, can you name such a site?

tuttigym
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I can’t. No one can with 100% certainty. But since craps is a relatively low variance affair (compared to large jackpot slots,say) it doesn’t take long for a casino with decent volume to virtually guarantee a nice income stream (from you!) on craps. In summary, they don’t need to cheat to beat you. Not saying it never happens, but it never NEEDS to happen.
link to original post


Thanks, SOOPOO. I live in Georgia. Can you recommend an online site, and is it easy to enroll? Also, can you tell me of the possible difficulties to withdrawing wins? I don't do Crypto.

tuttigym
link to original post



I am not the one to ask. I’m pretty sure the owners of this site, would recommend casinos vetted on their main site, LCB.org I believe?
link to original post



Yes, LCB.org. Every so often, BralasLT posts reviews and test results here that go into the deposit/withdrawal process and any oddities uncovered.

To cash out, you'll probably need to send in some documentation - I understand this is usually things like a picture of you holding your ID and a utility bill (proof of address).

Good luck.
link to original post

If you play in a state with authorized casino gambling, you'd probably experience very smooth depositing and withdrawing with your bank or with Paypal and those sites. Since Georgia doesn't have online casino gambling, you will probably have awkwardness with withdrawals like described here.

On the other hand, depositing money will be a breeze once you find what method they accept. And if you are going to play Craps online, you should never find yourself making a withdrawal. Just kidding... but I wouldn't be kidding if there wasn't such a thing as playing out a bonus offer of some kind.
link to original post


Thank you all. Based on the above, it looks like playing craps online makes me SOL.

Any recommendations would be appreciated. At my age driving distances have become somewhat difficult,

Are there any online casinos that let one in to view their gaming without an initial deposit? For example, viewing their craps game and answering questions?

tuttigym
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I mean this seriously. WOO has a fake money craps game. I think you start with $1k. Go there and play for a while. After you lose that $1k multiple times you may reconsider playing for real money. Remind me why you want to donate real $$ to an online casino?
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I play it alot and BEAT it regularly.

I am not an "establishment" player. The same with SIM craps.

Your post as with others shows the tunnel vision of the "basic strategies" produced by so-called "experts." My game is outside the box but inside 4th grade arithmetic.

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April 20th, 2024 at 5:23:49 PM permalink
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Question: How does one know that the site is reading the bets of a player and adjusting the dice outcomes to create losses of any individual player? If two players are playing the same game at the same time making identical bets, are the outcomes identical?

tuttigym
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Can someone who has played online craps for real money answer the question above? Essentially is online casino craps legitimate, if so, can you name such a site?

tuttigym
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I can’t. No one can with 100% certainty. But since craps is a relatively low variance affair (compared to large jackpot slots,say) it doesn’t take long for a casino with decent volume to virtually guarantee a nice income stream (from you!) on craps. In summary, they don’t need to cheat to beat you. Not saying it never happens, but it never NEEDS to happen.
link to original post


Thanks, SOOPOO. I live in Georgia. Can you recommend an online site, and is it easy to enroll? Also, can you tell me of the possible difficulties to withdrawing wins? I don't do Crypto.

tuttigym
link to original post



I am not the one to ask. I’m pretty sure the owners of this site, would recommend casinos vetted on their main site, LCB.org I believe?
link to original post



Yes, LCB.org. Every so often, BralasLT posts reviews and test results here that go into the deposit/withdrawal process and any oddities uncovered.

To cash out, you'll probably need to send in some documentation - I understand this is usually things like a picture of you holding your ID and a utility bill (proof of address).

Good luck.
link to original post

If you play in a state with authorized casino gambling, you'd probably experience very smooth depositing and withdrawing with your bank or with Paypal and those sites. Since Georgia doesn't have online casino gambling, you will probably have awkwardness with withdrawals like described here.

On the other hand, depositing money will be a breeze once you find what method they accept. And if you are going to play Craps online, you should never find yourself making a withdrawal. Just kidding... but I wouldn't be kidding if there wasn't such a thing as playing out a bonus offer of some kind.
link to original post


Thank you all. Based on the above, it looks like playing craps online makes me SOL.

Any recommendations would be appreciated. At my age driving distances have become somewhat difficult,

Are there any online casinos that let one in to view their gaming without an initial deposit? For example, viewing their craps game and answering questions?

tuttigym
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I mean this seriously. WOO has a fake money craps game. I think you start with $1k. Go there and play for a while. After you lose that $1k multiple times you may reconsider playing for real money. Remind me why you want to donate real $$ to an online casino?
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I play it alot and BEAT it regularly.

I am not an "establishment" player. The same with SIM craps.

Your post as with others shows the tunnel vision of the "basic strategies" produced by so-called "experts." My game is outside the box but inside 4th grade arithmetic.

tuttigym
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Ahhhhh….. the old ‘outside the box but inside 4th grade arithmetic’ plan…. I should have known…..

Maybe I’m overreaching, but are you implying you have a way to win at craps without bonuses/loss rebates/etc..?
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April 21st, 2024 at 8:41:55 AM permalink
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Ahhhhh….. the old ‘outside the box but inside 4th grade arithmetic’ plan…. I should have known…..

Maybe I’m overreaching, but are you implying you have a way to win at craps without bonuses/loss rebates/etc..?
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As a person with a medical professional background, it surprises me that you are not familiar with "outside the box" approaches. After all, medicine breakthroughs and accomplishments have been achieved throughout history by such creative thinking and doing. While I do not equate gambling, i.e. craps, with medicine or other sciences, the game can lend itself to multiple approaches unlike other games where one and done is the overall approach. A single hand in craps, on the other hand, can lend itself to multiple wagers and outcomes before the hand is totally resolved.

It is often stated here and elsewhere that gambling systems do not work. However, the Wizard and others constantly write about "basic strategies." Guess what, those are "systems" that the establishment would have others embrace to somehow make those players more effective at the tables. To be fair, these "experts" do not claim that those strategies actually provide a winning edge or even work.

I do not know anything about "bonuses or loss rebates," so that comment eludes me. I only play at B&M casinos, and to my knowledge the ones I have frequented offer none of those incentives.

BTW do you want to tell everyone out there what YOUR concept is of "the old outside the box but inside 4th grade arithmetic' plan" is? Inquiring minds would like to know.

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April 21st, 2024 at 11:45:29 AM permalink
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Ahhhhh….. the old ‘outside the box but inside 4th grade arithmetic’ plan…. I should have known…..

Maybe I’m overreaching, but are you implying you have a way to win at craps without bonuses/loss rebates/etc..?
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As a person with a medical professional background, it surprises me that you are not familiar with "outside the box" approaches. After all, medicine breakthroughs and accomplishments have been achieved throughout history by such creative thinking and doing. While I do not equate gambling, i.e. craps, with medicine or other sciences, the game can lend itself to multiple approaches unlike other games where one and done is the overall approach. A single hand in craps, on the other hand, can lend itself to multiple wagers and outcomes before the hand is totally resolved.

It is often stated here and elsewhere that gambling systems do not work. However, the Wizard and others constantly write about "basic strategies." Guess what, those are "systems" that the establishment would have others embrace to somehow make those players more effective at the tables. To be fair, these "experts" do not claim that those strategies actually provide a winning edge or even work.

I do not know anything about "bonuses or loss rebates," so that comment eludes me. I only play at B&M casinos, and to my knowledge the ones I have frequented offer none of those incentives.

BTW do you want to tell everyone out there what YOUR concept is of "the old outside the box but inside 4th grade arithmetic' plan" is? Inquiring minds would like to know.

tuttigym
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I may have mentioned this before. I did an analysis of the bets available in craps as a math project, I think it was in high school but maybe it was junior high. It was easy to show that without outside incentives there are no craps bets where the player has an edge. And the few ‘free odds’ bets where there is neither an advantage nor a disadvantage. So my ‘plan’ would be to not play craps if I was expecting to win.

When I do play, I play pass line, odds if a point is established, and continuous come bets, with odds as well. I‘m close to playing a 50/50 game. I probably lose 1 unit an hour on average?
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April 21st, 2024 at 12:40:18 PM permalink
well, we've been here before. Not much to be gained by debate.

I'm sorry to hear that you can't play brick&mortar Craps easily anymore though, T-gym. That could happen to any of us. You might look for someone who organizes a bus trip to your closest casino. These definitely exist. When I googled 'bus trip to casino from [my town]' some stuff does come up
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April 21st, 2024 at 1:14:02 PM permalink
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Ahhhhh….. the old ‘outside the box but inside 4th grade arithmetic’ plan…. I should have known…..

Maybe I’m overreaching, but are you implying you have a way to win at craps without bonuses/loss rebates/etc..?
link to original post


As a person with a medical professional background, it surprises me that you are not familiar with "outside the box" approaches. After all, medicine breakthroughs and accomplishments have been achieved throughout history by such creative thinking and doing. While I do not equate gambling, i.e. craps, with medicine or other sciences, the game can lend itself to multiple approaches unlike other games where one and done is the overall approach. A single hand in craps, on the other hand, can lend itself to multiple wagers and outcomes before the hand is totally resolved.

It is often stated here and elsewhere that gambling systems do not work. However, the Wizard and others constantly write about "basic strategies." Guess what, those are "systems" that the establishment would have others embrace to somehow make those players more effective at the tables. To be fair, these "experts" do not claim that those strategies actually provide a winning edge or even work.

I do not know anything about "bonuses or loss rebates," so that comment eludes me. I only play at B&M casinos, and to my knowledge the ones I have frequented offer none of those incentives.

BTW do you want to tell everyone out there what YOUR concept is of "the old outside the box but inside 4th grade arithmetic' plan" is? Inquiring minds would like to know.

tuttigym
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I may have mentioned this before. I did an analysis of the bets available in craps as a math project, I think it was in high school but maybe it was junior high. It was easy to show that without outside incentives there are no craps bets where the player has an edge. And the few ‘free odds’ bets where there is neither an advantage nor a disadvantage. So my ‘plan’ would be to not play craps if I was expecting to win.

When I do play, I play pass line, odds if a point is established, and continuous come bets, with odds as well. I‘m close to playing a 50/50 game. I probably lose 1 unit an hour on average?
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I appreciate the post. I am sure you did some due diligence on your project. I respectfully disagree with your third sentence above. When I check in to the table, I fully expect to win. My wagering patterns provide a statistical edge to win an individual bet on any given roll of the dice, i.e., more ways to win than to lose. Thus creating my player edge. I am not looking for that "hot" shooter. My goal is to win from $200-$400 per session. When I am up around that figure, I color. My sessions are short, and I rarely leave chips on the table throughout a hand to be taken by a 7 out. I am not interested in "breaking the bank" so to speak. I play for fun, win small, and leave. It is a diversion, not an obsession. Does it work every time? Hell, no, but the loses are equally as small and not that frequent.

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April 21st, 2024 at 1:23:59 PM permalink
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well, we've been here before. Not much to be gained by debate.

I'm sorry to hear that you can't play brick&mortar Craps easily anymore though, T-gym. That could happen to any of us. You might look for someone who organizes a bus trip to your closest casino. These definitely exist. When I googled 'bus trip to casino from [my town]' some stuff does come up
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Thanks OG. Cherokee is still an option for me. Two hour easy drive, but a longer (Biloxi) trip and stay is just not that appealing. Also, my legs are just worn out from my previous athletic endeavors, i.e., swimming (3,000 meters a day until I was 72 yrs. old). Buses are out of Atlanta with a minimum 5 hour stay. No real enthusiasm for that now.

Thanks for the thought and suggestion.

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April 21st, 2024 at 3:45:56 PM permalink
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Any recommendations would be appreciated. At my age driving distances have become somewhat difficult,

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(Truncated. Heavily.)

While not in your state, one of my neighbors charters buses and arranges casino day trips for groups of interested people. I believe she always manages to arrange extra food comps and freeplay to partially or fully offset the cost of the bus fare, plus times the excursion to align with senior day promotions, plus the casino still sends usual mailer offers.

Some overnight trips hit a few casinos, and include hotel fees in the tour fare. I don't think those are as good of a deal, but (see disclaimers).

If I was looking to play craps (but not drive myself), that's maybe how I'd go about it. Since I think at least half the fun of craps is throwing the dice and rejoicing with others at the table, I don't see much appeal for online craps.

The OTHER way I'd investigate is riding along with someone else. There may be some mild conflict between AP's and casual players, but if they're going anyway and you're splitting gas costs, I expect an understanding could be reached. (I don't recommend discussing your dice strategy beyond "sometimes, I do OK".)
This is not particularly uncommon; a number of people don't like to drive. Sometimes it's cocktail related, sometimes people have other reasons.

I'm still not looking to play craps. I'm a stick in the mud who doesn't like throwing dice and can't stand cheering with friends. I also usually hate hotels, so there has to be a darned good reason for me to stay in one - a bus tour may not be enough reason for me.


Good luck.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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