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January 24th, 2022 at 12:19:07 PM permalink
By no means I am an experienced craps player as I just recently studied craps in YouTube including the Wiz and have run thousands of computer sims as a DON’T Player.

Turned my 1st live session into a $400 profit. I buy in for $1k and play the DC, and eventually get all the bases loaded because I have layed my 6x bet. So $70 total on each number from a $10 Don’t. I keep track of how many rolls without a seven, and have pretty good success placing $25 on the any 7 bet around the 14 or 15th roll. The swings are huge!

Problem was I encountered a long roll, something like 30 rolls w/o a 7. Gets expensive after playing the DC and replacing my original 6x bets over and over again. I essentially burned through over $1300 and couldn’t back up my bets, so essentially I watched my money dissolve away.

What should I have done? Are there any bets that I could have hedged on? By the way, I was the roller!
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January 24th, 2022 at 12:42:47 PM permalink
Quote: Vegasrider

[snips] ... pretty good success placing $25 on the any 7 bet ... I watched my money dissolve away... What should I have done? ...

definitely not the any 7 bet
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pretty selective snips I admit

I see you want to manage the variance, but you don't want to use the any 7 bet or any center table bets at all. If the swings are too great to stomach, you're better off lowering the free odds bet. Creating greater variance is what the free odds do!
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January 24th, 2022 at 12:54:29 PM permalink
Personally if I'm playing DC as the shooter then I stop if I have three points established. That way hitting the 7 at that stage is the best result and, eventually, I switch sides so I can get out of jail with a come-out 7.
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January 24th, 2022 at 1:22:28 PM permalink
Only play the DC when the table is cold (mostly tourists).

Never when it’s hot (mostly locals) or even choppy (mix)
It’s all about making that GTA
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January 24th, 2022 at 1:22:36 PM permalink
Quote: charliepatrick

Personally if I'm playing DC as the shooter then I stop if I have three points established. That way hitting the 7 at that stage is the best result and, eventually, I switch sides so I can get out of jail with a come-out 7.
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That is an interesting thought, establishing a few numbers and let it ride vs loading up all the bases. It does lower the risk of replacing those original bets on just about every roll.

It’s a slow grind playing the DC. But I don’t mind, I’m use to grinding it out playing live poker or even UTH. It’s not a race, it a marathon. I always play knowing that my end time is open ended.
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January 24th, 2022 at 1:26:07 PM permalink
Quote: Ace2

Only play the DC when the table is cold.

Never when it’s hot or even choppy
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That's interesting because I would agree that there are portions of any gambling session where things are moving along swimmingly and then other portions where it's hard to even win a hand, but it's easier said than done to know which phase you are in.

Actually, realizing that you are in that winning phase and acting on it (with larger bets) are what matters. You might be all happy winning one bet after another but if those aren't your larger bets the end result might not be so good.

Typically what gets people is they are betting small when the going's good and then pour it on chasing losses when the winning is sparse.
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January 24th, 2022 at 1:27:25 PM permalink
Even dont players (should) know when to stop betting.

I often see Don't players stop adding bets after the shooter throws three numbers.
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January 24th, 2022 at 1:37:47 PM permalink
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Even dont players (should) know when to stop betting.

I often see Don't players stop adding bets after the shooter throws three numbers.
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Absolutely. Because at that stage you can be 100% sure it’s a skilled shooter. Definitely not a random rolling tourist
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January 24th, 2022 at 1:52:08 PM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

you don't want to use the any 7 bet or any center table bets at all.

This is absolutely 100% solid advice. However, if you feel you must put a bet on the 7, you are better off "Hopping the Reds" for $24 (that's $8 each on the 1-6, 2-5, & 3-4) than placing $25 on the Any Seven. You'll save $1 per bet, and you get an extra $4 when it hits.

That said, I agree with OG about not betting center bets.
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January 24th, 2022 at 2:16:21 PM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

you don't want to use the any 7 bet or any center table bets at all.

I generally agree but there’s one exception:

When I’m absolutely sure the next roll is going to be a seven, I turn all my place bets off and put a yellow chip on Any7. In that situation it’s +400% ev instead of the usual -16.7%
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January 24th, 2022 at 2:25:30 PM permalink
I use a 5-count on the DC. But I reset the count on each shooter come-out point that is established and call that "1". I'll make a bet on rolls, 4, 9, 14 and stop at 3 DC bets up at one time max, and hope for a come-out 7 winner. I'd have a win goal of around 20 bets.

But since I'm the lone shooter on Bubble Craps and throwing 7's on the Come-outs, it's hard to transition to a Don't Player.
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January 25th, 2022 at 3:18:42 AM permalink
Quote: Vegasrider

....I buy in for $1k and play the DC, and eventually get all the bases loaded because I have layed my 6x bet. So $70 total on each number from a $10 Don’t..... The swings are huge!

Problem was I encountered a long roll, something like 30 rolls w/o a 7. Gets expensive after playing the DC and replacing my original 6x bets over and over again. I essentially burned through over $1300 and couldn’t back up my bets, so essentially I watched my money dissolve away.



With the bases loaded you were facing 24 possible losing dice combinations versus 6 winning ones. I never have more than two bets on the Don’ts. Too many possible losing dice combinations beyond that. With the 6 and 9, there are nine possible losing combinations versus six possible winning combinations. 6,8 and 9 behind, now there are fourteen possible losing combinations versus only six winning combinations. Lose just one of those bets with odds and you probably won’t win the hand.
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January 25th, 2022 at 4:30:17 AM permalink
It's called greed which exists on both sides of the game. Read Dice Doctor, a classic.
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January 25th, 2022 at 6:02:00 AM permalink
Quote: Vegasrider

Problem was I encountered a long roll, something like 30 rolls w/o a 7. Gets expensive after playing the DC and replacing my original 6x bets over and over again. I essentially burned through over $1300 and couldn’t back up my bets, so essentially I watched my money dissolve away.

What should I have done? Are there any bets that I could have hedged on? By the way, I was the roller!
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1) Avoid the 'Any 7' bet!
2) I never roll when I play the Don'ts but that's just preference.

3) Mathematically, it makes no difference if you do continuous Don't, or 3 point Don't or a single huge Don't bet.
Keep playing the same way till you're at $0.
But you should also have a win goal to stop as well.

4) Wiz says never hedge a bet.
The general consensus for an exception is if you hit 5 #s on the Firebet: Hedge by Laying the 6th #.
4a) The Firebet is a bad bet. Don't play it.

5) If you have anxiety about the amount of $ you're losing, bring less $ to the table.
Play only the $ you're comfortable losing.
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January 25th, 2022 at 6:36:11 AM permalink
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... 4) Wiz says never hedge a bet.
The general consensus for an exception is if you hit 5 #s on the Firebet: Hedge by Laying the 6th #...

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but that's not regular hedging, but arbitrage
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January 25th, 2022 at 10:34:29 AM permalink
I don’t have anxiety losing a dime, that is my limit in any game but I usually quit well beforehand if things are not going my way. UTH, also 1k buy in. Craps was a bit different, didn’t want to pick up my chips in mid roll.

Rolling a 7 should happen around every 8-9 rolls? I was 6-6 placing any 7 bet after the 14th roll without a 7, until my long roll . Dealers were astonished every time I placed that 7 bet a 7 would roll. Yes, I was lucky but probability after so many rolls it was coming. Like 14 red on roulette, eventually the ball will land on black.

I will place no more than 3 numbers on the Don’t. Keep track of how many times the numbers must be replaced because the number came up. But I will replace it with a new DC bet. I will always lay 6X. This should limit my losses in the event I encounter a long roll. Also I always wait until after two non 7 rolls for me to begin playing the DC. And I will place a $25 field bet to go with it hoping to survive not having a 7 come out. Field bet pays 2x and 3x on craps. If I win, I will take my back my original bet and let it ride for the next roll, and repeat.
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January 25th, 2022 at 11:18:08 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

I see you want to manage the variance, but you don't want to use the any 7 bet or any center table bets at all



I disagree.

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January 25th, 2022 at 11:23:56 AM permalink
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When I’m absolutely sure the next roll is going to be a seven, I turn all my place bets off and put a yellow chip on Any7. In that situation it’s +400% ev instead of the usual -16.7%
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To paraphrase Billryan: One can predict until it does not happen. A "yellow" chip? Really? Every time? Really?
Very brave!!

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January 25th, 2022 at 11:32:21 AM permalink
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Because at that stage you can be 100% sure it’s a skilled shooter. Definitely not a random rolling tourist


Please define "skilled shooter" and "random rolling tourist." Is there a difference between a "player" and a "tourist"? Should all who play but do not live at or near gambling venues or destinations be labeled "tourist"?

Just asking.

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January 25th, 2022 at 11:40:52 AM permalink
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With the bases loaded you were facing 24 possible losing dice combinations versus 6 winning ones. I never have more than two bets on the Don’ts. Too many possible losing dice combinations beyond that. With the 6 and 9, there are nine possible losing combinations versus six possible winning combinations. 6,8 and 9 behind, now there are fourteen possible losing combinations versus only six winning combinations. Lose just one of those bets with odds and you probably won’t win the hand.


Would you look at that---4th grade arithmetic. Someone needs to produce the algebra and math formulas to discount what Tanko is alleging less they embrace the logical probabilities here to fore shown. Note I stated "probabilities" not dogmatic guarantees.

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January 25th, 2022 at 11:42:08 AM permalink
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January 25th, 2022 at 11:42:21 AM permalink
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When I’m absolutely sure the next roll is going to be a seven, I turn all my place bets off and put a yellow chip on Any7. In that situation it’s +400% ev instead of the usual -16.7%
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To paraphrase Billryan: One can predict until it does not happen. A "yellow" chip? Really? Every time? Really?
Very brave!!

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Not every time. Only when I’m 100% sure the next roll will be 7
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January 25th, 2022 at 11:42:37 AM permalink
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I see you want to manage the variance, but you don't want to use the any 7 bet or any center table bets at all



I disagree.

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we're not friends anymore then.

Just kidding!
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January 25th, 2022 at 11:54:44 AM permalink
Sometimes I play the Don't Pass when the shooter looks like a loser. It has worked for me when I switch from the Pass Line to the dark side.
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January 25th, 2022 at 12:01:20 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds


1) Avoid the 'Any 7' bet!

I disagree
Quote: 100xOdds

3)Keep playing the same way till you're at $0.

Disagree. Losing the whole buy-in is undisciplined. One should set a loss limit and walk if that threshold is reached.
Quote: 100xOdds

But you should also have a win goal to stop as well.

Agree here also is where discipline is prudent.
Quote: 100xOdds

4) Wiz says never hedge a bet.


The Wiz is wrong IMO. Explanation is too long.

Quote: 100xOdds

4a) The Firebet is a bad bet. Don't play it.


Agree

Quote: 100xOdds

5) If you have anxiety about the amount of $ you're losing, bring less $ to the table.
Play only the $ you're comfortable losing.


Greatly agree, goes to discipline again.

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January 25th, 2022 at 12:04:56 PM permalink
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Sometimes I play the Don't Pass when the shooter looks like a loser. It has worked for me when I switch from the Pass Line to the dark side.
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How do losers generally look?
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January 25th, 2022 at 12:08:30 PM permalink
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Not every time. Only when I’m 100% sure the next roll will be 7


Beyond brave

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January 25th, 2022 at 12:10:05 PM permalink
Quote: Ace2

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Sometimes I play the Don't Pass when the shooter looks like a loser. It has worked for me when I switch from the Pass Line to the dark side.
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How do losers generally look?
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Like "skilled shooters"?

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January 25th, 2022 at 5:09:54 PM permalink
Quote: Ace2

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Sometimes I play the Don't Pass when the shooter looks like a loser. It has worked for me when I switch from the Pass Line to the dark side.
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How do losers generally look?
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All craps players should be thought of equally. Some guys might be making bets that have a lower house edge, but that just means that they spend way more time at the craps tables being losers.
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January 26th, 2022 at 8:11:43 AM permalink
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All craps players should be thought of equally. Some guys might be making bets that have a lower house edge, but that just means that they spend way more time at the craps tables being losers.


So, the Wizard is a craps player, and he is "A LOSER. Mr. Mendelson, OdeousGambit, ThatDonGuy, Chump Change, tuttigym, Ace2, and even AxelWolf himself, if he plays craps, are all LOSERS. I wonder what it takes to be a "winner" in the AxelWolf world? Answer ..........crickets.

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January 26th, 2022 at 9:19:45 AM permalink
Well obviously not enough sample size after two live sessions but I am only stuck $600 placing $10 DC and laying 6X on each number. We will see how I do limiting my DC to just 3 numbers vs loading up the bases.

One thing I have is time, I am never in a rush to play or have only a limited time to play. I essentially live 500 ft door to door from the casino. I did notice I earn much more comp dollars playing craps than any other games. As it should as I had a lot riding on just about every roll.

LOL, every dealer and floor are asking me why am I playing craps. They are use to me playing UTH.
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January 26th, 2022 at 9:32:01 AM permalink
Quote: Ace2

Quote: tuttigym

Quote: Ace2

When I’m absolutely sure the next roll is going to be a seven, I turn all my place bets off and put a yellow chip on Any7. In that situation it’s +400% ev instead of the usual -16.7%
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To paraphrase Billryan: One can predict until it does not happen. A "yellow" chip? Really? Every time? Really?
Very brave!!

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Not every time. Only when I’m 100% sure the next roll will be 7
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The irony of your statement is not getting full value for your seven bet paying 16.67% vig when you could get 13.33%
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January 26th, 2022 at 9:33:38 AM permalink
I don't believe I've ever met a professional craps player. I've met pro BJ players, pro vp players, a few pro slot players, even a roulette pro but never a craps pro. I guess they are reclusive animal.
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January 26th, 2022 at 11:13:29 AM permalink
Quote: tuttigym

Quote: AxelWolf

All craps players should be thought of equally. Some guys might be making bets that have a lower house edge, but that just means that they spend way more time at the craps tables being losers.


So, the Wizard is a craps player, and he is "A LOSER. Mr. Mendelson, OdeousGambit, ThatDonGuy, Chump Change, tuttigym, Ace2, and even AxelWolf himself, if he plays craps, are all LOSERS. I wonder what it takes to be a "winner" in the AxelWolf world? Answer ..........crickets.

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'losers' is an unfortunate way to characterize recreational players, I agree. It is otherwise a clever way to put his thoughts however.

btw Ace2 is clearly putting us on, just repeating some of the dumb advice of the 'hydrate well' variety that has all been heard on this forum various times
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January 26th, 2022 at 11:14:28 AM permalink
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I don't believe I've ever met a professional craps player. I've met pro BJ players, pro vp players, a few pro slot players, even a roulette pro but never a craps pro. I guess they are reclusive animal.
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AP player in craps? Well I receive about $600 in promotional chips a month. I still think using them for Bingo is the best value because you get to play an entire session which are ten games while you purchase max buy in using the computer so you have 240 cards in play each game. And then play a session that is not popular, like. Tuesday at 6 pm. Never on weekends since there are too many players.

Next value is BJ. As promo chip can pay 3:2 if you get BJ.

I just discovered that the casino allows you to use these chips on the field bet. If I can get the dice to roll a 2 or 12, I can get 2x or 3x off the free chip. Generally the house rule is chips can only be used on even money wagers.
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January 26th, 2022 at 3:06:04 PM permalink
Quote: DeMango

Quote: Ace2

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Quote: Ace2

When I’m absolutely sure the next roll is going to be a seven, I turn all my place bets off and put a yellow chip on Any7. In that situation it’s +400% ev instead of the usual -16.7%
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To paraphrase Billryan: One can predict until it does not happen. A "yellow" chip? Really? Every time? Really?
Very brave!!

tuttigym
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Not every time. Only when I’m 100% sure the next roll will be 7
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The irony of your statement is not getting full value for your seven bet paying 16.67% vig when you could get 13.33%
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How do you get 13.33%
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January 26th, 2022 at 3:28:27 PM permalink
3 way sevens pay 4 1/3 - 1
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January 26th, 2022 at 4:00:24 PM permalink
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3 way sevens pay 4 1/3 - 1
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Thanks. I believe the edge is actually 1 - 1/6 * 16/3 = 11.11%

Now I’ll start putting three yellow chips on the 3-way seven when I know it’s coming

I know this one skilled shooter that can hit the 1-6, 2-5 and 3-4 on the next roll
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January 27th, 2022 at 4:24:23 AM permalink
If you have a double pitch problem, use headways set, save money and only hop 4/3, 5/2!
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January 27th, 2022 at 7:45:39 AM permalink
Quote: Ace2

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3 way sevens pay 4 1/3 - 1
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Thanks. I believe the edge is actually 1 - 1/6 * 16/3 = 11.11%

Now I’ll start putting three yellow chips on the 3-way seven when I know it’s coming

I know this one skilled shooter that can hit the 1-6, 2-5 and 3-4 on the next roll
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A lot of people can hit the 3-4. It takes a special roller to hit the 4-3. Those are the ones to bank one.
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January 27th, 2022 at 10:07:50 AM permalink
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I don't believe I've ever met a professional craps player. I've met pro BJ players, pro vp players, a few pro slot players, even a roulette pro but never a craps pro. I guess they are reclusive animal.
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I've never even heard of a professional craps player including the craps players who sell books and courses. All of them have other jobs or businesses... even those selling dice influencing courses.

I think craps players understand it's a negative expectation game and they also understand the limitations of dice influencing.

Unfortunately its the non players and the people who dont understand DI who make the outrageous claims about DI.

Anyone who really understands DI will tell you their skill has limits and they need luck for better results.
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January 27th, 2022 at 12:03:20 PM permalink
Quote: Ace2

I know this one skilled shooter that can hit the 1-6, 2-5 and 3-4 on the next roll
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He is the one you need to contact for your timing of the market. The yellow chips would be small potatoes.

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January 27th, 2022 at 12:25:35 PM permalink
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All craps players should be thought of equally. Some guys might be making bets that have a lower house edge, but that just means that they spend way more time at the craps tables being losers.


So, the Wizard is a craps player, and he is "A LOSER. Mr. Mendelson, OdeousGambit, ThatDonGuy, Chump Change, tuttigym, Ace2, and even AxelWolf himself, if he plays craps, are all LOSERS. I wonder what it takes to be a "winner" in the AxelWolf world? Answer ..........crickets.

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'losers' is an unfortunate way to characterize recreational players, I agree. It is otherwise a clever way to put his thoughts however.

btw Ace2 is clearly putting us on, just repeating some of the dumb advice of the 'hydrate well' variety that has all been heard on this forum various times
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I didn't call anyone a looser. Playing craps or whatever game you choose doesn't make someone a looser in life or whatever, but anytime you are playing a -ev game you are playing as a looser, that's just a fact. There's nothing wong with playing -EV games if that's what you enjoy, that doesn't make you a looser but again, your are playing as a looser. Most of my craps play has been played with an advantage, but even I have myself played craps a few times as a looser.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Jumboshrimps
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January 27th, 2022 at 12:55:14 PM permalink
I don't follow the OP's post. Assuming DC stands for Don't Come, in what sense are you "loading bases?" And I've never understood why anyone would play both the don't pass line and don't come bets. In both cases, you are simply waiting/hoping for a seven.
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January 27th, 2022 at 1:28:08 PM permalink
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What exactly is a looser? Is it someone who walks around with a wrench turning bolts to the left?
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January 27th, 2022 at 1:53:17 PM permalink
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I don't follow the OP's post. Assuming DC stands for Don't Come, in what sense are you "loading bases?" And I've never understood why anyone would play both the don't pass line and don't come bets. In both cases, you are simply waiting/hoping for a seven.
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I do not play the pass. Loading up the bases can be done on the DON’T as well, but not 3,4 or 5x like the pass, but up to 6x. A seven out would result me a win on all the numbers, AKA “Bases Loaded” but just lose on the DC bet.
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January 27th, 2022 at 2:10:37 PM permalink
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Most of my craps play has been played with an advantage, but even I have myself played craps a few times as a looser.
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Interesting statement . According to some, all bets on the craps table have a negative expectation, but you play with an "advantage". Perhaps you could elaborate what that or those are, and since you have said that you have lost only a "few times" rather than a majority of times, you certainly, by your definition, are not a craps "loser." Just holding your feet to the fire.

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January 27th, 2022 at 2:13:58 PM permalink
But when you're playing any don't bet, you're not "playing all the numbers." The only number you're playing (post come-out) is seven. Why are you saying you would lose a DC bet on a seven out? That's only possible on the first role of a DP or DC bet. And I repeat, why play don't come at all if you're playing don't pass? Just ramp up your odds bet on the DP line. It's the same bet.
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January 27th, 2022 at 2:50:12 PM permalink
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Most of my craps play has been played with an advantage, but even I have myself played craps a few times as a looser.
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Interesting statement . According to some, all bets on the craps table have a negative expectation, but you play with an "advantage". Perhaps you could elaborate what that or those are, and since you have said that you have lost only a "few times" rather than a majority of times, you certainly, by your definition, are not a craps "loser." Just holding your feet to the fire.

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Beat the casino, not the game.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
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January 27th, 2022 at 3:16:29 PM permalink
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Most of my craps play has been played with an advantage, but even I have myself played craps a few times as a looser.
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Interesting statement . According to some, all bets on the craps table have a negative expectation, but you play with an "advantage". Perhaps you could elaborate what that or those are, and since you have said that you have lost only a "few times" rather than a majority of times, you certainly, by your definition, are not a craps "loser." Just holding your feet to the fire.

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I agree all bets on the craps table are -EV. With that being said,you can still have an advantage via the marketing department when taking advantage of various promotions. To name a few commonly known angles.... Incentive Mail, match plays, loss rebates, they can all put you at an advantage while playing craps.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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