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WABJ11
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March 18th, 2021 at 1:53:35 AM permalink
I know these “roll to win” machines are designed to be played with only one stick man, with real dice. However in jurisdiction such as Florida, they have put these tables in with total electronic dice. So they can skirt the law, and play craps as it’s now classified as a slot machine. It’s not the bubble craps where the machine “throws” two dice randomly around. These are total electronic dice.

Has anyone seen how random these dice really are? Can’t they just set it to a hold instead of actually making the dice random? It has kept me away from these tables because I don’t know how you can make these completely random.

The real question is just how random can they really make totally electronic dice, and are these machines able to be set to a hold?
AxelWolf
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March 18th, 2021 at 7:11:48 AM permalink
Quote: WABJ11

I know these “roll to win” machines are designed to be played with only one stick man, with real dice. However in jurisdiction such as Florida, they have put these tables in with total electronic dice. So they can skirt the law, and play craps as it’s now classified as a slot machine. It’s not the bubble craps where the machine “throws” two dice randomly around. These are total electronic dice.

Has anyone seen how random these dice really are? Can’t they just set it to a hold instead of actually making the dice random? It has kept me away from these tables because I don’t know how you can make these completely random.

The real question is just how random can they really make totally electronic dice, and are these machines able to be set to a hold?

I don't know what Florida laws are when it comes to randomness. But let's assume it's similar to Nevada. The machine is probably just or more random than someone tossing the dice.
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March 18th, 2021 at 9:00:13 AM permalink
It is FAR easier to let the dice have probabilities similar to real dice and adjust the payouts to achieve the goal, than it is to program in selective deviations in the dice outcome.
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March 18th, 2021 at 11:40:00 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I don't know what Florida laws are when it comes to randomness. But let's assume it's similar to Nevada. The machine is probably just or more random than someone tossing the dice.



im pretty sure florida is one of those states that is all class 2 - and the machines dont need to have the bingo cards

although i still have no clue how you differentiate a class 2 and class 3 machine if its craps
daveyandersen1
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March 18th, 2021 at 3:07:07 PM permalink
I've played all forms of this new ROLL TO WIN craps and [to me] it' as close to real craps as you'll get.. BUT since it's a computer thats programed by WHO KNOWS WHO and it's in a casino that wants my money.. I'm pretty careful and frugal with my money..
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March 18th, 2021 at 5:59:18 PM permalink
Quote: daveyandersen1

WHO KNOWS WHO and it's in a casino that wants my money.. I'm pretty careful and frugal with my money..

Obiously not, if you are gambling on -EV games. (-;
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DeMango
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March 18th, 2021 at 6:42:07 PM permalink
Quote: daveyandersen1

I've played all forms of this new ROLL TO WIN craps

What other forms are there besides real dice, you control the results, or the bastard version, the RNG controls your results?
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March 18th, 2021 at 7:20:50 PM permalink
Quote: daveyandersen1

...as close to real craps as you'll get...


No rail, no cheques, no dealers, no felt, no dice.

Standing in a circle making craps bets, I guess...
daveyandersen1
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March 18th, 2021 at 8:41:19 PM permalink
Hey AxelI I know craps is a-EV game no matter what kind I play virtual or the normal version, I'm still careful with my money because of that reason,
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March 18th, 2021 at 8:53:04 PM permalink
Quote: DeMango

What other forms are there besides real dice, you control the results, or the bastard version, the RNG controls your results?

Of ROLL TO WIN versions Yes there are 2 versions Players actually throw OR RNG... I just meant that ROLL TO WIN is close to the real thing [FOR A MACHINE]

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