Hybrid Craps? Do you like it?
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July 10th, 2020 at 7:13:51 AM
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It has a lot of strong points but it doesn't appear to be the social experience I enjoy in craps. Here is a Youtube video. It starts with bubble craps until 7:45 when the Hybrid starts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsORj6URjgs
There is only a stick and a dice shooter. Looks like you have a touch screen and chair to make your bets.
I like they timing on bets so there aren't long waits for a new roll. It's kind of gone roulette with the roll count and history of numbers rolled.
It's an interesting option.
Thanks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsORj6URjgs
There is only a stick and a dice shooter. Looks like you have a touch screen and chair to make your bets.
I like they timing on bets so there aren't long waits for a new roll. It's kind of gone roulette with the roll count and history of numbers rolled.
It's an interesting option.
Thanks.
July 10th, 2020 at 8:39:00 AM
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neither the players nor the house can possibly like the pace [just watched a bit , not the whole thing]
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July 10th, 2020 at 9:28:15 AM
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So where was this table?
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
July 10th, 2020 at 3:04:30 PM
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Quote: DeMangoSo where was this table?
The video title says "Live Casino Hybrid Craps Table at Harrahs Rincon So Cal Roll To Win by Aruze Gaming Episode 63
1,616 viewsJun 24, 2020."
July 10th, 2020 at 3:11:27 PM
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California only has card craps
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
July 10th, 2020 at 3:52:07 PM
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You can see the dealer touching something on the table after some rolls. Maybe those are the cards? Obviously the cards cant be part of the programming.Quote: DeMangoCalifornia only has card craps
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July 11th, 2020 at 4:31:05 AM
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Quote: DeMangoCalifornia only has card craps
I did some Googling. This article dated 2003.
RINCON INDIAN RESERVATION -- As reported by the Union Tribune: `` Stretching legal limits to new bounds, Harrah's Rincon Casino has quietly begun running what is believed to be the state's first dice-based craps game.
``Although craps is illegal in California, Harrah's says its full-size table opened without fanfare last month qualifies as a "card game" under its state gambling compact. Players roll dice to determine which of 12 cards are flipped over to decide wins and losses.
``Other than that, the play and betting at "Rincon Craps" are the same as at any craps table in Las Vegas. The game was developed in-house and certified California-legal by Rincon's tribal gaming commission.
```We are entirely within the intent of the law, said Marty Goldman, Harrah's Rincon marketing vice president. The final outcome of the game is still determined by cards, but we've added dice as a precursor to that to give it the color, to give it the feel of real craps.
``A table dealer put it more bluntly: 'To get around the law in California, it's about as good as you can do.'
``Rincon's move is the boldest in tribes' attempts to introduce variations on craps and roulette, lucrative casino games that are not sanctioned under California's Indian gaming compacts
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July 11th, 2020 at 9:23:31 AM
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Man, this is Azure "Roll to Win" digital Craps table. This has nothing to do with Card Craps. As for Azure - yes, I like it. The most important piece - rolling the dice - is preserved so nobody needs to worry about random number generation and all this stuff. At the same time the winnings are paid automatically and there are no chips so things are actually easier for everyone. One bit that's unclear to me is what does it do with the winnings - are they recorded on a casino's membership card, paid straight to the inserted bank card or something else? And what about the Odds? My guess is they are configurable by the management.
July 11th, 2020 at 11:35:35 AM
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Still want to know availability nationwide.
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
July 11th, 2020 at 1:09:06 PM
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Quote: DeMangoStill want to know availability nationwide.
That's easy to google out. It's only starting to roll (pun intended).
Regarding your motto. Have you checked this effect yourself and can assure me of its truthfulness?
July 11th, 2020 at 1:26:48 PM
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I'd still like to know how this can be played in California if cards are not also involved?
I checked the Azure youtube video from when this game was unveiled at G2E.
I'd really appreciate an eyewitness report on how it's played at Rincon.
Yes, dice can be rolled to determine cards. But are there cards at Rincon?
I checked the Azure youtube video from when this game was unveiled at G2E.
I'd really appreciate an eyewitness report on how it's played at Rincon.
Yes, dice can be rolled to determine cards. But are there cards at Rincon?
July 11th, 2020 at 1:53:14 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonI'd still like to know how this can be played in California if cards are not also involved?
Cards are involved. Look behind the 5, 6, and 8 boxes on the far side of the table; you will see six cards - the Ace through 6 of hearts, from the looks of it.
It's edited, so I can't be certain, but it looks like that whenever there's a new shooter, the six cards are shuffled, and they represent the numbers 1-6 on the dice. If you look at the 13:12 mark, somebody throws a 5-1; it appears that the stickman pushes out the first and fifth cards in the line counting from the right (the stickman's left), although, coincidentally, this is also a 5-1 roll. (The numbers appear to be, in order, 1, 4, 3, 2, 5, 6.)
Note that, in some of the newer casinos - Graton in the San Francisco Bay Area comes to mind - hybrid and bubble craps are also illegal, as the compact prohibits any game that uses "physical dice." Presumably, strictly electronic craps, that uses "virtual dice," is allowed. Also, I don't know if this means they can't use dice to determine the active player in Pai Gow Tiles.
July 11th, 2020 at 3:43:35 PM
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Ive seen it in person. There's cards.
100% risk of ruin
July 11th, 2020 at 4:17:10 PM
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the videographer specifically says in the video that he edited out the "california craps" card flipping.
July 11th, 2020 at 5:18:10 PM
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That may mean Azure has normal product and one for California, no?
What an absurd piece of anachronistic puritanism from another era, passed by people with no basic understanding of probability, in order to save future generations from evil. And all it takes to bypass it is to use another randomizer.
What an absurd piece of anachronistic puritanism from another era, passed by people with no basic understanding of probability, in order to save future generations from evil. And all it takes to bypass it is to use another randomizer.
July 11th, 2020 at 6:10:42 PM
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Quote: MattUKThat may mean Azure has normal product and one for California, no?
What an absurd piece of anachronistic puritanism from another era, passed by people with no basic understanding of probability, in order to save future generations from evil. And all it takes to bypass it is to use another randomizer.
If I understand the situation correctly, the problem is not "saving future generations from evil," but the way California's state constitution is written and interpreted. When California changed its constitution to allow for a state lottery, it included a requirement that casinos "of the type found in Nevada and Atlantic City" were illegal. A few years later, the constitution was changed again to allow for "Indian" casinos, provided each tribe that ran one had an agreement, or "compact," with the state which, among other things, defined just what games it could offer, and in just about every case, the games that were allowed were (a) slot machines and other "video" machines such as video poker, (b) bingo, and (c) card games, which could include "house-banked" games that were otherwise illegal in California. Somebody came up with the idea that craps and roulette could be played with dice and a wheel if, somehow, they incorporated cards - hence, "card craps" and "card roulette."
As I posted above, later versions of the compact try to get around this by banning roulette "in all forms" as well as any game that uses actual dice. However, I have seen some more recent compacts that do not include this restriction - the one for the Harrah's casino between Sacramento and Reno doesn't seem to have it - so it may be based on whoever was governor at the time. (The original ones were with Arnold Schwarzenegger; the ones with the ban tend to be mainly with Jerry Brown; the newest ones tend to be with current governor Gavin Newsom.)
July 11th, 2020 at 6:53:37 PM
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Twice voters in California rejected a constitutional amendment that would have allowed traditional craps and roulette games and would have allowed certain big card casinos in the state to offer Vegas gaming.
Vegas casinos poured in money to fight the amendment.
Vegas casinos poured in money to fight the amendment.
July 11th, 2020 at 7:27:19 PM
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No.Quote: MattUKThat may mean Azure has normal product and one for California, no?
The dealer answers the results of the roll - whether the results come from the dice or the cards, is irrelevant.
Therefore, Azure can sell the same system regardless of the local regulations.
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July 12th, 2020 at 3:04:26 AM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearThe dealer answers the results of the roll - whether the results come from the dice or the cards, is irrelevant.
What I don't understand - and don't see on the video - is where are the cards actually and who's doing what with them. If that was seen on the video and was edited it would be strange as this may be most important part. What I see are two dice being used as in normal Craps so it remains a mystery to me. Alas, you either live in California or you gamble. Having both would be too good for this world. Sooner or later Azure will install them in Nevada.
July 12th, 2020 at 7:21:59 AM
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Look closer.Quote: MattUKWhat I don't understand - and don't see on the video - is where are the cards actually and who's doing what with them.
The cards are sitting on the layout, along the back wall on the dealers right, almost in the exact center of the video.
At 8:28 the dealer moves two cards slightly. Then from 8:35 to 8:45 he touches/moves the cards then touches/moves and points to them as if explaining the card thing to a player.
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July 12th, 2020 at 7:26:35 AM
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Quote: MattUKWhat I don't understand - and don't see on the video - is where are the cards actually and who's doing what with them. If that was seen on the video and was edited it would be strange as this may be most important part. What I see are two dice being used as in normal Craps so it remains a mystery to me. Alas, you either live in California or you gamble. Having both would be too good for this world. Sooner or later Azure will install them in Nevada.
Go to 9:10 on the video. Notice on the far side of the table, just to the left of where it says "4 Rolled," there are six cards on the table - from left to right, the 4, 5, 6, 3, 2, and Ace of hearts. These represent the "actual" values when a die shows 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, or 1. The roll is a 1-6; the stickman pushes out the card in the #1 position (the Ace, representing 1) and the card in the #6 position (a 4), so the "roll" is a 1-4, which is what shows up on the table when it turns green again. (Yes, this part is edited out, as whoever recorded the video was more interested in showing how the betting works.) Other than that, it is normal craps.
Yes, this is a strange way to do it, but for legal reasons, cards have to be used in California.
I am assuming that the way the table works is, the stickman sees the numbers that are rolled and pushes a couple of buttons. In, say, Nevada, the buttons pushed are the numbers that come up on the dice. Cards would not need to be used.
July 12th, 2020 at 8:19:26 AM
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You're right. I sensed something's fishy when the roll number was shown to be 1. It only shows the absurdity of this anachronistic ban. I found an article about this oddity called Californian Craps.
https://eu.freep.com/story/entertainment/nightlife/2016/03/30/mark-pilarski-casinos-craps-california/82236384/
Finger's crossed, elsewhere it will be the old school Crapsian Craps.
After a close examination of the footage I could see the Odds are 3-4-5x (it's 2x on their promo video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h6mOZfEFzs so yes, it's up to the management; I wonder if all the way up to 100x). I wouldn't mind to see that giant horizontal TV here in the UK. Craps is a dying breed with a whopping number of 3 tables nationwide with only double Odds. Aruze allows the table to be operated by a single employee with much less experience (meaning: cheaper), while at the same time making it much simpler for the players, error-less and colorful. No doubt it's also safer, making pickpocketing difficult near the table. The dealer may (probably) change the Odds anytime and enhance the payouts, eg. to 1.01x on the Pass Line. Allow me to remind you the enhanced payouts all with 99% RTP / 1% house edge:
Any Craps win 7.91
Craps 2/12 win 34.64
Craps 3/11 win 16.82
Hard 4/10 win 7.91
Hard 6/8 win 9.89
Any 7 win 4.94
Field 2&12 win 2.82
Enough for each day of the week! Similarly, they can throw in bonuses like "two 7s in a row unlocks Any 7 win 5". Better still - vouchers valid for individual player during the game, eg. unlocking Double Triple on a Field. For EV+ it can be free 5$ on Pass Line or a streak of Pass Line bets (7, obviously) paying 1.05. Employing such promotions (and vouchers) would be truly revolutionary.
There are even adverts on the wall and, of course, they did not forget to add a "Hot Shooter Jackpot" side bet. As long as it's not mixed with cards and players roll the dice as they normally would I give Aruze a well deserved credit.
BTW, the Hot Shooter Jackpot will make "dice controllers" from across the country richer day after day! Finally a way to cash out on their not so cheap investment in all those books and premium training!
PS: Let's not forget that Interblock is watching. They have a Live Craps table prototype and may aggressively enter the market in the near future. That would be great news for all Craps players.
https://eu.freep.com/story/entertainment/nightlife/2016/03/30/mark-pilarski-casinos-craps-california/82236384/
Finger's crossed, elsewhere it will be the old school Crapsian Craps.
After a close examination of the footage I could see the Odds are 3-4-5x (it's 2x on their promo video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h6mOZfEFzs so yes, it's up to the management; I wonder if all the way up to 100x). I wouldn't mind to see that giant horizontal TV here in the UK. Craps is a dying breed with a whopping number of 3 tables nationwide with only double Odds. Aruze allows the table to be operated by a single employee with much less experience (meaning: cheaper), while at the same time making it much simpler for the players, error-less and colorful. No doubt it's also safer, making pickpocketing difficult near the table. The dealer may (probably) change the Odds anytime and enhance the payouts, eg. to 1.01x on the Pass Line. Allow me to remind you the enhanced payouts all with 99% RTP / 1% house edge:
Any Craps win 7.91
Craps 2/12 win 34.64
Craps 3/11 win 16.82
Hard 4/10 win 7.91
Hard 6/8 win 9.89
Any 7 win 4.94
Field 2&12 win 2.82
Enough for each day of the week! Similarly, they can throw in bonuses like "two 7s in a row unlocks Any 7 win 5". Better still - vouchers valid for individual player during the game, eg. unlocking Double Triple on a Field. For EV+ it can be free 5$ on Pass Line or a streak of Pass Line bets (7, obviously) paying 1.05. Employing such promotions (and vouchers) would be truly revolutionary.
There are even adverts on the wall and, of course, they did not forget to add a "Hot Shooter Jackpot" side bet. As long as it's not mixed with cards and players roll the dice as they normally would I give Aruze a well deserved credit.
BTW, the Hot Shooter Jackpot will make "dice controllers" from across the country richer day after day! Finally a way to cash out on their not so cheap investment in all those books and premium training!
PS: Let's not forget that Interblock is watching. They have a Live Craps table prototype and may aggressively enter the market in the near future. That would be great news for all Craps players.
Last edited by: MattUK on Jul 12, 2020
January 20th, 2021 at 10:55:01 AM
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Played Roll to Win last week in Biloxi at the Palace (3x odds) and Boomtown (5x) casinos. They were both $5, and I appreciated the opportunity to play, since every 'real' table on the Casino Hopper route was $15 or $25 (Thursday - Monday morning), more than I'm willing to gamble.
As a craps substitute, I found it acceptable. If I can't handle the dice, it's not craps. The only time I'm on a bubble is as a drinking game with friends who want to play for a buck or two. I do kind of miss handling cheques and seeing everyone else's play (you can roughly see others' bets), but there are no hands in the layout, no arguments over payouts, no late bets.
There is a lot of down time -- the stickman looked bored.
As a craps substitute, I found it acceptable. If I can't handle the dice, it's not craps. The only time I'm on a bubble is as a drinking game with friends who want to play for a buck or two. I do kind of miss handling cheques and seeing everyone else's play (you can roughly see others' bets), but there are no hands in the layout, no arguments over payouts, no late bets.
There is a lot of down time -- the stickman looked bored.
January 20th, 2021 at 10:37:20 PM
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Quote: CalderThere is a lot of down time -- the stickman looked bored.
Watching paint dry is pretty close. More than say three players, forget it. These que tips bring their wives too. Haven't played in months.
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
January 21st, 2021 at 1:30:13 PM
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Yeah, the intimidation factor of a live table that many complain about is missing -- people who know nothing about the game will sit at a monitor without trepidation.
One guy, after stuffing in his $6 of crumpled singles must have hit a hardway or horn. After one roll he exclaimed, "Hey! That one pays good!"
One guy, after stuffing in his $6 of crumpled singles must have hit a hardway or horn. After one roll he exclaimed, "Hey! That one pays good!"
January 21st, 2021 at 5:13:03 PM
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Card craps? Never seen it. Crap cards? Oh, yeah, very familiar with it.
So many better men, a few of them friends, are dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things live on, and so do I.
January 21st, 2021 at 7:23:29 PM
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Quote: gordonm888Card craps? Never seen it. Crap cards? Oh, yeah, very familiar with it.
Roll to win Craps. Made by the folks who gave you; Push the Button! Real dice.
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
January 21st, 2021 at 8:00:30 PM
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If there's nothing else available, I'd play card craps; if there's crapless craps, I'd play card craps. But I'm a DI, and would rather not play either.
But I could set the dice for a PB 6/8 in crapless craps, so I could change my mind.
But I could set the dice for a PB 6/8 in crapless craps, so I could change my mind.
January 21st, 2021 at 8:06:01 PM
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Quote: ChumpChangeIf there's nothing else available, I'd play card craps; if there's crapless craps, I'd play card craps. But I'm a DI, and would rather not play either.
But I could set the dice for a PB 6/8 in crapless craps, so I could change my mind.
DI should love crapsless craps. Buy the outside numbers and set the crossed 6s.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
January 21st, 2021 at 8:46:58 PM
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if he was a so called di, he would not make that statement. But the mods let this behavior go on.Quote: unJonDI should love crapsless craps. Buy the outside numbers and set the crossed 6s.
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
January 21st, 2021 at 8:47:46 PM
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if he was a so called di, he would not make that statement. But the mods let this behavior go on.Quote: unJonDI should love crapsless craps. Buy the outside numbers and set the crossed 6s.
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
January 21st, 2021 at 9:04:12 PM
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Buy Bets in Crapless Craps
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Place 2, 12_____________________________________11 to 2___________14.2857%_________________7.1429%
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Place 3,11______________________________________11 to 4___________25.0000%_________________6.2500%
Buy 2, 12 (commission only on wins)_________119 to 20 _________14.2857%_________________0.7143%
Buy 3,11 (commission only on wins)___________59 to 20 _________25.0000%_________________1.2500%
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Buy 3,11 (commission always)__________________59 to 21_________25.0000%_________________4.7619%
January 21st, 2021 at 10:33:53 PM
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Good luck finding buys, commission on win.
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
February 9th, 2021 at 7:15:10 PM
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https://vitalvegas.com/behold-the-future-of-dice-roll-to-win-craps-arrives-at-harrahs-las-vegas
Here is Scott Roebens (Vital Vegas) view on Roll to Win.
Here is Scott Roebens (Vital Vegas) view on Roll to Win.
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
February 14th, 2021 at 11:48:32 AM
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I certainly am looking forward to trying it out. I do enjoy the interaction with dealers and the chips. I'm not a believer in the history shown on Roulette tables, but have always wished for something like that at a craps table. I've been at tables where a shooter has had a long roll and always wondered how many points made, numbers rolled, etc. It won't tell anything about future numbers. I just like the history part.
February 14th, 2021 at 6:50:28 PM
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My wife and I played this at Palace in Biloxi last Thursday, Feb 11th. My wife had a great roll - she was up to 48 rolls. The machine has a side bet that pays 100-1 on 50 rolls. The stick/dealer has to input each roll into the game, and she put in a 6-6 when the dice showed 5-5. So the supervisor had to be called in to make the correction, taking several minutes. Guess what, the next roll was 4-3 (seven out), so the machine only had to pay 30-1 on the side bet.
Other than that, we had fun. My wife threw for about 40 minutes. I liked the precise calculation of the payouts. For example, I could place $9 on the six, and would be paid $10.50 when it hit. There were 10 betting stations around the table, and only one dealer to run the game. I could see how that would save in labor cost for the casino.
Other than that, we had fun. My wife threw for about 40 minutes. I liked the precise calculation of the payouts. For example, I could place $9 on the six, and would be paid $10.50 when it hit. There were 10 betting stations around the table, and only one dealer to run the game. I could see how that would save in labor cost for the casino.
February 14th, 2021 at 7:22:35 PM
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So about one roll per minute. Watching paint dry. Gotta yell at the appropriate suit if I can.
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
February 14th, 2021 at 8:20:18 PM
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Quote: ddlomlThere were 10 betting stations around the table, and only one dealer to run the game. I could see how that would save in labor cost for the casino.
This is essentially the bottom line. Traditional craps table is a modern day business dinosaur. Too many employees to operate the game. I expect to see more of these games open in Vegas.
April 12th, 2021 at 4:47:47 AM
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They have this digital table at barona now, and the card shuffle is still part of the game
April 12th, 2021 at 5:23:16 AM
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Of course, it's California. They're well mannered there!
"Barona Craps offers all the excitement of the game you love <b>but with a California twist</b>. We offer 5x odds and all the same bets youve come to know and love, including 3x the 12 in the field!"
"Barona Craps offers all the excitement of the game you love <b>but with a California twist</b>. We offer 5x odds and all the same bets youve come to know and love, including 3x the 12 in the field!"
April 12th, 2021 at 9:18:37 AM
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I like hybrid craps for lower limits, but I prefer real chips for when I get out of lower roller mode so I don't inadvertently call the IRS with a $600 or $1200 win on the machines.
April 13th, 2021 at 3:03:38 PM
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I play this game because and only because the table limits are lower[ $5 at the casino I play at]..One thing I don't like is the dont pass is a contract bet on this game. I just don't understand why these casinos all go to 15- 25 dollars I mean you can still make 10- 15 dollar bets on a $5 dollar table AND how many folks bet the table max anyway So this reason that $5 min tables lose money is BS..Thats just casino management justifying there greediness..WHERE IS BENNY BINION WHEN HE'S NEEDED MOST...
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davey
April 13th, 2021 at 3:22:50 PM
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They'd rather get one higher roller than a dozen minimum bettors.
I've been doing math all day. My $88 inside (5,9,6,8) bet could progress to $880 inside on a long hand, which is under the $1,000 total bet table max. I'd be winning $3K+ to $6.5K+.
I've been doing math all day. My $88 inside (5,9,6,8) bet could progress to $880 inside on a long hand, which is under the $1,000 total bet table max. I'd be winning $3K+ to $6.5K+.
April 13th, 2021 at 3:56:35 PM
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If you're incredibly lucky you can even win the lottery! :-D
April 13th, 2021 at 7:18:40 PM
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Thats what I don't like about this game.It is a job killer.I can see it getting VERY popular though..Did you know this game is considered a SLOT MACHINE.. IT is fun though...Quote: TDVegasThis is essentially the bottom line. Traditional craps table is a modern day business dinosaur. Too many employees to operate the game. I expect to see more of these games open in Vegas.
davey
April 14th, 2021 at 10:19:58 AM
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Quote: daveyandersen1Thats what I don't like about this game.It is a job killer.I can see it getting VERY popular though..Did you know this game is considered a SLOT MACHINE.. IT is fun though...
In what jurisdictions is it considered a slot machine, or any other sort of "gaming device" (such as a VP machine)? Certainly not in California (where it is considered a "card game") - otherwise they wouldn't need the cards there.
April 14th, 2021 at 11:07:56 AM
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even with a live dealer, it's still considered a slot?Quote: daveyandersen1Thats what I don't like about this game.It is a job killer.I can see it getting VERY popular though..Did you know this game is considered a SLOT MACHINE.. IT is fun though...
thus w2-g when $1200+ gets returned to you? (payout + ORIGINAL bet!!!)
ie: Place $600 on 8, you win $700 and get your original $600 back.
it would trigger a w2-g because the total you get back at the conclusion of that one roll is over $1200!
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
April 14th, 2021 at 11:29:41 AM
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So far, everywhere else!
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
April 14th, 2021 at 11:31:05 AM
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Quote: 100xOddseven with a live dealer, it's still considered a slot?
thus w2-g when $1200+ gets returned to you? (payout + ORIGINAL bet!!!)
ie: Place $600 on 8, you win $700 and get your original $600 back.
it would trigger a w2-g because the total you get back at the conclusion of that one roll is over $1200!
Not a 300-1 or larger wager. Payout is only $700 anyway.
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
April 14th, 2021 at 12:09:21 PM
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Some machines don't count your original wager as part of the win. You have to pay close attention to identify which machines you encounter that don't count your original wager as part of the win.
