SiegfriedRoy
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April 29th, 2019 at 3:23:47 PM permalink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZNkjWfgby4

I'm on the fence. I know people love/hate bubble craps for many different reasons. My SO seems to like bubble craps because she's a introvert and the social aspect of a live craps game intimates her. I like bubble craps for the reason of automation and that the machines cannot make payout mistakes and don't sour up for not giving a tip. However, I prefer a classic craps table due to the social aspect and the feeling of by allowing you to throw the dice.

Is this new hybrid electronic craps a compromise of both? Is this the future of craps, or will old school craps player resist it? If it ever comes to the casino floor, I'd be one of the first to make a trip to try it out.
Ayecarumba
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April 29th, 2019 at 3:47:38 PM permalink
This is very exciting. Aruze is the company behind "Shoot To Win" (a.k.a. "Bubble Craps").

I couldn't tell what the surface of the table was like. Is it a big piece of vinyl? I can imagine it getting cloudy and stained with spilled drinks, cigarette ash and oily fingers. Seems tough to reach the dice with the betting station blocking your way.

What happens if a bulb goes out or a station malfunctions? You would have a technical problem to fix that would not be a problem in the analog game. Is the trade off of not using physical chips / increased payout speed / no dealers, for betting stations / video display table areas with technical glitches / and expensive maintenance worth it?
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April 29th, 2019 at 3:51:46 PM permalink
Very interesting. I have no problem with the non use of chips and using the electronic betting system, however I need to know that the dice are thrown with complete randomness and no possible way for magnetic chips to intervene with the normal land of the dice. What is the material of the table? It looks like glass. Did the dice look to land normally with normal spin after landing?

They are doing away with humans in the workplace EVERYWHERE! Become a welder, masseuse or hair stylist... these jobs cannot be replaced by robots effectively. ha
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SiegfriedRoy
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April 29th, 2019 at 4:03:41 PM permalink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-K5qEl5YwE

I found a better video with better sound. When the guy is throwing the dice and it hits the screen, it sounds like it's just a typical screen glass. I can be wrong. Also, once the die land, the stick has to input it manually.
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April 29th, 2019 at 4:15:12 PM permalink
The cheques clicking and getting tossed is half the excitement for me. No thanks.
mrsuit31
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April 29th, 2019 at 4:33:56 PM permalink
I believe it is a screen (glass or hard plastic) surface.

I believe they launched this product at G2E and I think it is being installed (or has been installed) in a few test locations.

Iím interested to see how it works out for them and the developer of the IP. The Omnitable (same concept but for table games) is the flagship product from the developer IIRC. However, that product was an LCD screen that has felt on top making it feel like a standard felt table.

I have never seen either in person, only online via promo videos and LinkedIn posts.
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Ayecarumba
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April 29th, 2019 at 4:52:43 PM permalink
Quote: SiegfriedRoy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-K5qEl5YwE

I found a better video with better sound. When the guy is throwing the dice and it hits the screen, it sounds like it's just a typical screen glass. I can be wrong. Also, once the die land, the stick has to input it manually.



If it's glass, aren't they open to mechanics who can use the smooth, consistent surface slide or toss the dice in a manner that makes the outcomes predictable? Also, the dice corners or edges could chip or crack; or even crack the glass. I've seen the mirrors on craps tables suffer that fate from even indirect hits.
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mrsuit31
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April 29th, 2019 at 5:10:33 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

If it's glass, aren't they open to mechanics who can use the smooth, consistent surface slide or toss the dice in a manner that makes the outcomes predictable? Also, the dice corners or edges could chip or crack; or even crack the glass. I've seen the mirrors on craps tables suffer that fate from even indirect hits.



Iím sure that has been addressed with the material the screen is made from....

Dice sliding, If the staff lets that go, it isnít on them...
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April 29th, 2019 at 5:15:58 PM permalink
This is a big time failure in the USA, better served for other markets.

The electronic table the ShuffleMaster has never took off in the USA.
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April 29th, 2019 at 5:38:21 PM permalink
Quote: SM777

This is a big time failure in the USA, better served for other markets.

The electronic table the ShuffleMaster has never took off in the USA.



Craps player want to toss chips and call bets etc....
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SiegfriedRoy
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April 29th, 2019 at 6:21:54 PM permalink
Depending on ease of use and viability, I think I can see these in every casino. Now, I don't think it'll completely replace the classic craps table, but I can see casinos carrying this to cut cost on labor. I have heard many times that there is always a shortage of dice dealers and the strip will hire them right out of dealer school instead of picking them up from break-in joints.

I can also see this working out on cruise ships. On ships, dealers are at a premium and ships are hesitant to open a craps game until later at night due to the number of dice dealers required to have a game going on. With this, it only requires one.
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April 29th, 2019 at 10:02:43 PM permalink
How are acrylic mirrors made?
Traditionally made from glass, mirrors can now be constructed using acrylic or polycarbonate materials. Made from a continually processed acrylic or polycarbonate sheet, mirrors are created using a process of vacuum metalizing, in which the sheet is given a mirror finish backed by a durable protective coating.

Mirror on the side of this craps table is described as an acrylic mirror. https://www.etsy.com/listing/151644205/12-casino-style-craps-table-custom-made?gpla=1&gao=1&&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping_us_a-toys_and_games-sports_and_outdoor_games-other&utm_custom1=7bd5d3b8-f2a2-462c-be4c-b0744ff8d480&utm_content=go_304504235_22746246155_78727478195_pla-106555126115_c__151644205&gclid=CjwKCAjwwZrmBRA7EiwA4iMzBC7aKUhdtk5illYrDRpGSdQuCqDwcX--L7DL5gUtpKmJKAqNO-cn-RoCU0YQAvD_BwE
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April 29th, 2019 at 10:07:09 PM permalink
I saw a 60-something dealer at my local casino spending his first hours on the table during an "audit" of his skills. He had just spent at least 6 weeks (maybe 8 weeks) being trained. He wasn't taught enough. He could learn on the job with supervision from his current skill set. But this casino sometimes attracts customer riff-raff that nobody should put up with.
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April 30th, 2019 at 6:20:38 AM permalink
Quote: mrsuit31

Craps player want to toss chips and call bets etc....



In the USA, that is definitely the case. And a big reason why the ShuffleMaster table failed. Another reason is crap is a public domain game, just like blackjack and roulette. I don't know what these companies charge for these tables, but not only do the customers not get to touch chips, the casino is now paying a monthly royalty on a public domain game, further lowering the appeal.

I would imagine this craps table is a minimum of $2,000 per month, likely a lot more. Just doesn't work in the USA market.

This product and the ShuffleMaster table are probably 5-7 years too soon in the USA.
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April 30th, 2019 at 8:43:41 AM permalink
Quote: SM777

...I would imagine this craps table is a minimum of $2,000 per month, likely a lot more...



If you don't have to pay two dealers, and can move the dice faster, you are actually still ahead... Until it breaks.
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