Really bad losing streak on craps.
Those who live by the sword shall die by the swordQuote: LusciousSweet2Hi. I love craps but lately I have been getting bad streaks. I was on a hot streak last year and made $20,000 just by betting Field and Don't Come. This month, I have already lost $1000 on really bad don't Come and Field Rolls...
Those who live by the Field and Don't Come shall die by the Field and Don't Come. Unless you have found a casino that offers those bets with a player's edge instead of a house edge. Then you will live very prosperously and not die... unless it's from too much very luscious and sweet high living.
Quote: LusciousSweet2Hi. I love craps but lately I have been getting bad streaks. I was on a hot streak last year and made $20,000 just by betting Field and Don't Come. This month, I have already lost $1000 on really bad don't Come and Field Rolls. I however got a Royal Flush on video Poker earlier this month for another $20,000. So I'm still in the black, and that's what really matters.
Welcome to WOV! :D What is the Minimum bet to play Craps In the Casinos you play at? In my Craps App, it is a $5 Minimum bet, but I have never attempted to play Craps In real life. About losing $1,000 on really bad Don't Come and Field bets, why not try to ONLY play the 2 dice option? That gives you 30 times your bet according to my Craps App
. And if you have $5 minimum and $100 you can do 20 spins before you lose all your money. Hopefully at least one roll is a $150 win within those 20 spins. Highest Ranking Members and both Lower Ranking Members, am I giving her bad Craps advice? I think my advice is pretty solid, but feel free to tell me if this is actually bad advice.
Quote: NathanOnce again, does anyone want to tell me if I gave her bad Craps advice? I would really love to know.
Yes, it’s literally the worst craps advice possible.
By “30 to 1 two dice bet” I think you meant the horn or hardways bets. Those are the worst bets you can make in craps.
Quote: gamerfreakYes, it’s literally the worst craps advice possible.
By “30 to 1 two dice bet” Lo de think you meant the horn or hardways bets. Those are the worst bets you can make in craps.
Thank you for your honesty. :) I tend to give bet advice that can net you the most money, not necessarily the best odds. ;)
Quote: NathanI tend to give bet advice that can net you the most money, not necessarily the best odds. ;)
You should create your own gambling forum , and use that as your headline
Quote: NathanOnce again, does anyone want to tell me if I gave her bad Craps advice? I would really love to know.
Of course you knew already..... BBB has specifically stated that a post like that would get you suspended. She probably has missed this thread......
Quote: NathanThank you for your honesty. :) I tend to give bet advice that can net you the most money, not necessarily the best odds. ;)
I usually keep my personal opinions to myself but, Ugggh!
The only way to consistently come out ahead at every craps session is to do what I used to do - be a dealer.
According to the WOV odds sheet, if you can find a table with 3:1 payoffs on the 12 and 2 in the field section then you can go forever and get free RFB along the way.
Quote: NathanWelcome to WOV! :D What is the Minimum bet to play Craps In the Casinos you play at? In my Craps App, it is a $5 Minimum bet, but I have never attempted to play Craps In real life. About losing $1,000 on really bad Don't Come and Field bets, why not try to ONLY play the 2 dice option? That gives you 30 times your bet according to my Craps App
. And if you have $5 minimum and $100 you can do 20 spins before you lose all your money. Hopefully at least one roll is a $150 win within those 20 spins. Highest Ranking Members and both Lower Ranking Members, am I giving her bad Craps advice? I think my advice is pretty solid, but feel free to tell me if this is actually bad advice.
And an hour later....
Quote: NathanOnce again, does anyone want to tell me if I gave her bad Craps advice? I would really love to know.
Half hour after that...
Quote: NathanThank you for your honesty. :) I tend to give bet advice that can net you the most money, not necessarily the best odds. ;)
7 Days for hijacking. The thread was not about you until you took it over.
And yes, terrible advice steering her to just about the worst odds on the table. At least you admit you haven't played, which is a miniscule improvement. STOP GIVING RANDOM ADVICE ABOUT GAMBLING HERE! Keep it in your corner if you must.
Edit: ok, 7 is too long. Hopefully 3 will get the point across.
Quote: beachbumbabs7 Days for hijacking. The thread was not about you until you took it over.
And yes, terrible advice steering her to just about the worst odds on the table. At least you admit you haven't played, which is a miniscule improvement. STOP GIVING RANDOM ADVICE ABOUT GAMBLING HERE! Keep it in your corner if you must.
Edit: ok, 7 is too long. Hopefully 3 will get the point across.
While Nathan's comments may be amusing, I don't know how this forum is putting up with her and her type of comments which are often baseless and almost always no value to the thread.
Quote: SiegfriedRoyWhile Nathan's comments may be amusing, I don't know how this forum is putting up with her and her type of comments which are often baseless and almost always no value to the thread.
This is the Wiz's decision. He has decided the amusement factor outweighs the garbage factor. The mods hide behind 'you can block a user' but that makes the threads unintelligible. People respond to the blocked user and you have no idea what they are talking about. BBB specifically warned Nathan about the giving of inane advice, which can be misconstrued by a new member as advice based in logic. Nathan ignored BBB.
If I'm making a 2nd Don't Come bet to put up a 2nd point, the shooter usually 7's out and I get a push on my 2 bets.
I wouldn't play the field unless I was rolling and intending to shoot craps numbers a bunch of times, much like I intend to throw 7's on the come-out but craps shows up anyway.
Quote: NathanWelcome to WOV! :D What is the Minimum bet to play Craps In the Casinos you play at? In my Craps App, it is a $5 Minimum bet, but I have never attempted to play Craps In real life. About losing $1,000 on really bad Don't Come and Field bets, why not try to ONLY play the 2 dice option? That gives you 30 times your bet according to my Craps App
. And if you have $5 minimum and $100 you can do 20 spins before you lose all your money. Hopefully at least one roll is a $150 win within those 20 spins. Highest Ranking Members and both Lower Ranking Members, am I giving her bad Craps advice? I think my advice is pretty solid, but feel free to tell me if this is actually bad advice.
I don't mean to be rude, but why are you giving me Craps advice? I play Craps in real life and would know more about it than you do. You yourself mentioned you have never played Craps in real life, you have only played a Craps App. No offense, but I honestly think only people who have at least tried the Craps at least once in real life should be giving Craps advice.
Quote: LusciousSweet2No offense, but I honestly think only people who have at least tried the Craps at least once in real life should be giving Craps advice.
you are quite correct. The 'buzz' of a real casino's live game action is a major element. Music. waitresses, players calling out from the other end of the table, dealer chatter, etc. can all be distracting influences. its part of the fun and I often judge a table by the camaraderie factor.
Quote: LusciousSweet2I don't mean to be rude, but why are you giving me Craps advice? I play Craps in real life and would know more about it than you do. You yourself mentioned you have never played Craps in real life, you have only played a Craps App. No offense, but I honestly think only people who have at least tried the Craps at least once in real life should be giving Craps advice.
You'll find my posts if you look at my history tend to be impulsive at times, plus I have a penchant for giving gambling advice based on what is the better payout rather than the better odds.
Quote: NathanYou'll find my posts if you look at my history tend to be impulsive at times, plus I have a penchant for giving gambling advice based on what is the better payout rather than the better odds.
Knowing is the first step. Why don't you stop giving gambling advice on things you're not an expert on? We frequently get new members here who are both novice and knowledgeable. They won't know who you are, may take your advice for face value, and get turned off by the WOV site. We may be losing future valuable members due to your bad, unsolicited advice. If I were a new member and one of the first things I saw was your craps advice, I'd run for the hills.
Quote: NathanI have a penchant for giving gambling advice based on what is the better payout rather than the better odds.
Can you provide an example of a bad odds/good payout type of play ?
Quote: NathanYou'll find my posts if you look at my history tend to be impulsive at times, plus I have a penchant for giving gambling advice based on what is the better payout rather than the better odds.
You'd be wise to rethink your "penchant" for offering ANY advice. Which I have repeatedly asked you to do (as have other people). Just stop it.
You're continuously asking how to contribute here, or how to fit in better. It would go a long way on both of those if you were to stop. I wish you could see that the person you hurt the most with this garbage advice is the Wizard, your good friend.
I fully expect you to ignore me, as you have the last 30 times I've told you this in one form or another. But I'm nothing if not persistent.
Quote: LusciousSweet2I don't mean to be rude, but why are you giving me Craps advice? I play Craps in real life and would know more about it than you do. You yourself mentioned you have never played Craps in real life, you have only played a Craps App. No offense, but I honestly think only people who have at least tried the Craps at least once in real life should be giving Craps advice.
I'll confess something else. When I gave you that Craps advice, I was going through a"Trying to look like an AP," thing like I tend to do at times.
Quote: NathanI'll confess something else. When I gave you that Craps advice, I was going through a"Trying to look like an AP," thing like I tend to do at times.
Is this performance art?
Quote: FinsRuleIs this performance art?
Maybe "Come across as an AP would have been a better choice of words. ;)
Quote: NathanI'll confess something else. When I gave you that Craps advice, I was going through a"Trying to look like an AP," thing like I tend to do at times.
You had me convinced.
Quote: michael99000You had me convinced.
I will tentatively give you a high five because of the possibility of that being really sarcastic. :) :/
Nathan, This thread is not about you. Please desist from hijacking it.Quote: NathanI will tentatively give you a high five because of the possibility of that being really sarcastic. :) :/
Quote: OnceDearNathan, This thread is not about you. Please desist from hijacking it.
She plays you like an accordion.
Quote: LusciousSweet2Hi. I love craps but lately I have been getting bad streaks. I was on a hot streak last year and made $20,000 just by betting Field and Don't Come. This month, I have already lost $1000 on really bad don't Come and Field Rolls. I however got a Royal Flush on video Poker earlier this month for another $20,000. So I'm still in the black, and that's what really matters.
First and foremost, don't bet the field when the house edge is 2.78% And definitely don't bet the field when the house edge is 5.56% (paying double on both the twelve and the two as in Caesar's Properties last time I checked).
IE: don't bet the field.
There is a distinct class of players who knows the math and will bet their entire bankroll on the field as their last roll.
I did this myself, and it's quite fun. But again, it's an entire class of players. Not just a few.
But the guys who are betting the field every roll are the same guys who bet the any craps. Same guys that bet the "midnight" and start hooting and hollerin'. Don't be one of those guys. They are trained by the casino personnel and they are not too bright.
I have videos on youtube that tell you how to bet craps the smart way.
It's simply.
You wait for the puck to say "OFF" while it is on the "Don't Come" area of the felt. That's the comeout roll.
Then you bet the don't pass. If the dealer tells you "you can't bet that bet" you can thank me for telling your new-to-craps-playing-self to play the don't because you'd probably be making a 33.33% house advantage bet on the pass line after a four or ten is established. That why I tell you new players to bet the don't pass because they won't ALLOW you to bet it after the comeout roll, and people taking this advice probably have zero clue.
After everyone else at the table tries to tell you how to bet, just tell them, "HEY SHOVE IT BRO. THE BEST CRAPS PLAYER IN THE UNIVERSE TOLD ME TO BET THE DON'T PASS BITCH. EAT SHIT AND DIE." You can clean the language up a little bit, but really, you can say that if you want.
Again, you bet the don't so the dealers will keep you from making a mistake. And if they miss you late-betting the don't pass, you will get a nice little reward in EV for it. Just don't tell them you did it on purpose, or it's a felony. Alright? Ignorance is bliss, sir.
Now you might be thinking, "oh now I bet the DC" or "oh now I bet the ___" .. no you don't.
You lay odds and that's it. You don't bet any other stupid bets, and if you do, you don't ask me any more questions.
Because that's all there is to it.
You always lay a multiple of 6 to your don't pass bet if you can afford it. And if you can't you lay a multiple of $6 starting at an amount to win the table minimum. IE: Lay to win $25/26 on a $25 table ($50 on 4/10, $39 on 5/9, $30 on 6/8). On a five dollar table you lay $10 to win $5 on 4/10 (or some mutiple), $9 to win 6 on 5/9 (or some multiple), $6 to win $5 (or some multiple).
That is IT. Period.
So a $25 table (where you'll play if you are a real man at a real casino), you will play 345x odds at a very classy table at a very classy casino.
You will bet $25 don't pass.
The point is established.
Point 4 or 10: Lay $50, $52, $54, $56 on up to $150 in increments of $2 according to what you wish to risk that you will win 2 out of 3 attempts on average.
Point 5 or 9: Lay $39, $42, $45, $48, $51, $54, $57, $60, up to $150 to win $100 (always lay a multiple of $3 starting at $39 to win $26)
Point 6 or 8: Lay $30, $36, $42, $48, $54, $60, $66, $72, up to $150 to win $125
Notice the maximum lay is $150 in each case? That is 6x your $25 don't pass bet. The smartest gambler concerned with getting the most volatility for his negative EV is going to be 6x on each and every number ($150 on a $25 table).
It's actually very simple.
And do NOT bet the DC.
And do NOT bet the field.
And DO tip the dealer, but only when you color (IMO).
If you lose everything, do NOT tip the dealer. Bet it on a longshot instead.
Use every dollar you have to get it back and only tip the dealers if you win. That's just my damn opinion if you're trying to win, you don't tip along the way because it makes it SO much harder to win.
You DO tip the cocktail waitress for each drink. That insurance that you don't get some infection from the drink.
This information has to be in about 200 different places, including the advice that if you want to bet the pass, the odds aren't as good, but it's pretty much the same on the math if you do it right.
But people asking these questions RARELY DO get it right. That's why I say "bet the don't pass" because if you make a mistake, they'll exclaim "NO BET!!!!" and push your chip back at you.
You learn more quickly this way, friend. And it costs nothing but shame. Shame is free.
that's pretty funny, you were certainly in a certain mood when you were writing this. I won't speculate.Quote: Ahigh... Now you might be thinking, "oh now I bet the DC" or "oh now I bet the ___" .. no you don't.
You lay odds and that's it. You don't bet any other stupid bets, and if you do, you don't ask me any more questions.
You might explain what you have against the DC, seems odd to praise the Don't and bash the DC.
dunno about that but if you don't like crowds, there's that. Just saying.Quote:So a $25 table (where you'll play if you are a real man at a real casino)
You just converted meQuote:If you lose everything, do NOT tip the dealer. Bet it on a longshot instead.
I'm picturing this advice as "get [or act] snockered and bet the Don't constantly. Ever once in a while the dealer will miss that you placed your bet when you weren't supposed to. Or, please explainQuote:That's why I say "bet the don't pass" because if you make a mistake, they'll exclaim "NO BET!!!!" and push your chip back at you.
You learn more quickly this way, friend. And it costs nothing but shame. Shame is free.
Quote: odiousgambitHi Aaron ... taking some snips.
You might explain what you have against the DC, seems odd to praise the Don't and bash the DC.
I have nothing against the DC. Just against the DC when you already have a don't pass. If you walk up to the table and the point is four, and you bet the Don't pass, some dealers will move it to the DC where it belongs. Some will yell "NO BET" and push your money back towards you. Some will call no action and throw out an off button towards your chips. It all depends on what creates the least distraction for every OTHER person at the table beside you that probably knows what they are doing and hates don't pass betting people because they are smarter than every other stinking person at the table, usually. Then you roll up with Ahigh's instructions bumbling around.
If you bet 0x odds on the don't pass and a point is made, then you bet the DC, you have a hedge on the seven-out for the don't pass (you won't win because seven on the DC is a loser). Hedging is bad. Do not bet against yourself. It reduces volatility. Volatility is the ONLY thing that you are paying for with that 0.39% house edge per roll on that Don't pass bet. Just be fucking patient and increase or reduce your free odds bet as much or as little as you want to. Don't take other action. You will lose faster in every single case where you don't maximize your odds and instead take a bet with a house edge, or WORSE with a house edge and a reduction in volatility by hedging certain outcomes to be against one another.
Quote: odiousgambitdunno about that but if you don't like crowds, there's that. Just saying.
If you want to play in a crowd, go to Joker's Wild. If you want to win without fanfare large denom chips, play $25 tables AND UP.
Quote: odiousgambitYou just converted me
I love the dealers when I win. When I lose, sometimes they invite me over for a soda. If you have a dealer that trusts you enough to invite you to his or her house for hanging out, that's a good thing. Keep your fucking mouth shut about your private life, and observe the lifestyle of the dealer and respect them for the very hard work they do.
Quote: odiousgambitI'm picturing this advice as "get [or act] snockered and bet the Don't constantly. Ever once in a while the dealer will miss that you placed your bet when you weren't supposed to. Or, please explain
When you bet the don't pass and every other person at the table is betting hardways and prop bets like midnight and making all kinds of ridiculous noise, sometimes it is better to bet the DC instead of the Don't pass. If you bet the DC and a "yo" is called, he might forget to take your DC. A yo on the comeout he will remember to take your don't pass 100% of the time because he is almost guaranteed to be paying pass line bets on the yo. The best time to bet the DC is when you have learned how to increase the probability of a dealer mistake in your favor. Each dealer is different. A dealer that likes you and wants you to win so you will tip them is not hard to find. You have GOT to keep your big mouth shut the whole time, or someone can lose their job. But this strategy works, not even for tips, but just if you are polite and respectful to the staff, they don't have it out (as much) for people that respect them. I guarantee you that dealers want to get drunk players or obnoxious players out of there as quickly as possible.
I will sometimes bet the come with progressively large amounts and will occasionally find the dealers not taking my come-bet on a 12 or aces. I've had as much as $90 action on the come on a table with $5 minimums and had them leave my come bet out there on aces while dealing with prop bets. If the box and second based are studying prop bets and third base is also looking into the inside doing prop math, the probability of him missing your COME or DC bet can be as high as 1 in 40. Regardless of the size of the bet. Depending on the dealer, the casino, and the details of that dealer's history in dealing the game in a way that the casino makes a lot of money. They will give leeway to dealers who win for the casino to make a mistake here and there. They will never admit to this, but this is just my opinion, there is very little other explanation for some of the dealer mistakes that I have benefitted from. KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT. It's not YOUR job to correct a dealer mistake unless it benefits you. They do the same (correcting mistakes that benefit them but not those that would benefit you). It goes both ways, and I'm pretty sure that the admins here agree on this point as unethical as it might seem at first, it's just the way that it is on BOTH sides. You have to take as much slack as you can get if you want to expect to win.
OK got it.Quote: AhighI have nothing against the DC. Just against the DC when you already have a don't pass.
I sometimes bet only the DC, not the DP at all, which also avoids the hedging, though that's pretty minor hedging in a game with yuge variance if you bet the free odds. Mostly though I do the DC to keep from irritating the rightside bettors, especially the shooters next to me. Sometimes they get irritated anyway.
!!!!!!!!!!! No comment!Quote:I love the dealers when I win. When I lose, sometimes they invite me over for a soda. If you have a dealer that trusts you enough to invite you to his or her house for hanging out, that's a good thing.
For some reason I'm Honest John on when the Come should have traveled, pointing it out, but a losing Come bet that stays up? Not sure I've been tested on that, which seems remarkable considering your experience with it.Quote:I will sometimes bet the come with progressively large amounts and will occasionally find the dealers not taking my come-bet on a 12 or aces.
This can be a little like getting a free draft beer when you've ordered and paid for a good number already. I refuse to tip much in a place where we've run up quite the bill drinking drafts and gotten not a single freebie. I can't say I've had the same attitude with dealers though - just tipping less when I lose.Quote:You have to take as much slack as you can get if you want to expect to win.
this you haven't mentioned: I like to think I can successfully find the situation where you have a pliable darksider who wants to move his DP to the DC, or keep a traveling DC in the DC box, when the point is 6 or 8 - the idea being to buy that action from him. This has been my only +EV thinking when at the table, with an abysmally unimpressive record of getting such folk to cooperate. They of course tend to be suspicious and unreceptive, after all a darksider is just naturally such a person most of the time.
The last time I had a shot was about a week ago, kind of an interesting story. I tend to nurse a lot of superstitions that I know have no truth to them , but when it comes to darksiders being bad luck, I usually don't get those vibes at all. So as I am needing to wrap it up, having been a rightsider all game at a more than lukewarm table, here comes this guy with a huge buy-in. He proceeds to place a big DP bet, maybe a couple of hundred, and the shooter rolls an outside number to resolve immediately. The guy puts about 6x down for his odds and up comes the seven-out-pay-the-don't soon enough. This action keeps repeating and the guy is staying lucky, can't lose. So I'm thinking he just might be someone who wants "no action" on the 6 and 8 to resolve and this could be my chance to buy part of it. So I chat him up about being a darksider, and lo and behold he responds OK but guardedly. Good! Usually I get ignored. Before long I ask him about the 6 or 8 and I'll be damned if he doesn't have any idea what I'm talking about - zippo. It's like it's never occurred to him the 4 or 10 might be a sign he is more likely to win. I can see I'm getting nowhere and I need to call it a day. So I color up as he rakes in more chips and I leave.
I won't give him credit for thinking it doesn't matter 4, 10, 5, 9, 6, or 8 since the payoff adjusts for the chances of winning. No, I guarantee you he's just come up with this scheme without knowing the math at all.
And, yes, though I know it is only superstition, in fact provably false, I got a strong overpowering feeling that such a heavy betting Don't player was bad luck for us rightsiders. I was happy to be getting the hell out of there!
Quote: AhighFirst and foremost, don't bet the field when the house edge is 2.78% And definitely don't bet the field when the house edge is 5.56% (paying double on both the twelve and the two as in Caesar's Properties last time I checked).
IE: don't bet the field.
There is a distinct class of players who knows the math and will bet their entire bankroll on the field as their last roll.
I did this myself, and it's quite fun. But again, it's an entire class of players. Not just a few.
But the guys who are betting the field every roll are the same guys who bet the any craps. Same guys that bet the "midnight" and start hooting and hollerin'. Don't be one of those guys. They are trained by the casino personnel and they are not too bright.
I have videos on youtube that tell you how to bet craps the smart way.
It's simply.
You wait for the puck to say "OFF" while it is on the "Don't Come" area of the felt. That's the comeout roll.
Then you bet the don't pass. If the dealer tells you "you can't bet that bet" you can thank me for telling your new-to-craps-playing-self to play the don't because you'd probably be making a 33.33% house advantage bet on the pass line after a four or ten is established. That why I tell you new players to bet the don't pass because they won't ALLOW you to bet it after the comeout roll, and people taking this advice probably have zero clue.
After everyone else at the table tries to tell you how to bet, just tell them, "HEY SHOVE IT BRO. THE BEST CRAPS PLAYER IN THE UNIVERSE TOLD ME TO BET THE DON'T PASS BITCH. EAT SHIT AND DIE." You can clean the language up a little bit, but really, you can say that if you want.
Again, you bet the don't so the dealers will keep you from making a mistake. And if they miss you late-betting the don't pass, you will get a nice little reward in EV for it. Just don't tell them you did it on purpose, or it's a felony. Alright? Ignorance is bliss, sir.
Now you might be thinking, "oh now I bet the DC" or "oh now I bet the ___" .. no you don't.
You lay odds and that's it. You don't bet any other stupid bets, and if you do, you don't ask me any more questions.
Because that's all there is to it.
You always lay a multiple of 6 to your don't pass bet if you can afford it. And if you can't you lay a multiple of $6 starting at an amount to win the table minimum. IE: Lay to win $25/26 on a $25 table ($50 on 4/10, $39 on 5/9, $30 on 6/8). On a five dollar table you lay $10 to win $5 on 4/10 (or some mutiple), $9 to win 6 on 5/9 (or some multiple), $6 to win $5 (or some multiple).
That is IT. Period.
So a $25 table (where you'll play if you are a real man at a real casino), you will play 345x odds at a very classy table at a very classy casino.
You will bet $25 don't pass.
The point is established.
Point 4 or 10: Lay $50, $52, $54, $56 on up to $150 in increments of $2 according to what you wish to risk that you will win 2 out of 3 attempts on average.
Point 5 or 9: Lay $39, $42, $45, $48, $51, $54, $57, $60, up to $150 to win $100 (always lay a multiple of $3 starting at $39 to win $26)
Point 6 or 8: Lay $30, $36, $42, $48, $54, $60, $66, $72, up to $150 to win $125
Notice the maximum lay is $150 in each case? That is 6x your $25 don't pass bet. The smartest gambler concerned with getting the most volatility for his negative EV is going to be 6x on each and every number ($150 on a $25 table).
It's actually very simple.
And do NOT bet the DC.
And do NOT bet the field.
And DO tip the dealer, but only when you color (IMO).
If you lose everything, do NOT tip the dealer. Bet it on a longshot instead.
Use every dollar you have to get it back and only tip the dealers if you win. That's just my damn opinion if you're trying to win, you don't tip along the way because it makes it SO much harder to win.
You DO tip the cocktail waitress for each drink. That insurance that you don't get some infection from the drink.
This information has to be in about 200 different places, including the advice that if you want to bet the pass, the odds aren't as good, but it's pretty much the same on the math if you do it right.
But people asking these questions RARELY DO get it right. That's why I say "bet the don't pass" because if you make a mistake, they'll exclaim "NO BET!!!!" and push your chip back at you.
You learn more quickly this way, friend. And it costs nothing but shame. Shame is free.
Thank you for your in depth and very detailed answer to my question. I learned a lot from your answer.
Quote: NathanI'll confess something else. When I gave you that Craps advice, I was going through a"Trying to look like an AP," thing like I tend to do at times.
Not to be rude, but I found your advice to me incredibly off-putting and like you were being more self serving and looking for attention or something like that. The fact that you actually called attention to yourself like three times when I asked for Craps advice seemed like you were clearly more interested in fishing for attention for yourself than a genuine interest in helping me out in this very thread, which I found disturbing.
Quote: LusciousSweet2Not to be rude, but I found your advice to me incredibly off-putting and like you were being more self serving and looking for attention or something like that. The fact that you actually called attention to yourself like three times when I asked for Craps advice seemed like you were clearly more interested in fishing for attention for yourself than a genuine interest in helping me out in this very thread, which I found disturbing.
Since this post is directly asked to me, I don't see how I can be suspended for hijacking by answering it. I was going through a "I want to look like an AP and fit into WOV phase when I answered your question with the "Play rolls that give you the highest payouts." Instead I got scolded and then suspended for like 3 days. I also went through a "Trying to look like an AP and fit into WOV," phase when I told a Newbie that he would have to play $4,000-$8,000 coin in order to get a $15,000 Progressive that looked like it was only about $400 away. I was expecting to get praise for how much of an AP I was coming across but instead got scolded and then suspended for about two weeks. So, keep in mind sometimes my advice is really me trying to come across as an AP and fit into WOV.
Quote: NathanSince this post is directly asked to me, I don't see how I can be suspended for hijacking by answering it. I was going through a "I want to look like an AP and fit into WOV phase when I answered your question with the "Play rolls that give you the highest payouts." Instead I got scolded and then suspended for like 3 days. I also went through a "Trying to look like an AP and fit into WOV," phase when I told a Newbie that he would have to play $4,000-$8,000 coin in order to get a $15,000 Progressive that looked like it was only about $400 away. I was expecting to get praise for how much of an AP I was coming across but instead got scolded and then suspended for about two weeks. So, keep in mind sometimes my advice is really me trying to come across as an AP and fit into WOV.
My advice to you is to stop trying to come across as an Advantage Player if you are not one. It has gotten you suspended more than once, and makes you look like you are making a mockery out of Advantage Players.
Quote: LusciousSweet2My advice to you is to stop trying to come across as an Advantage Player if you are not one. It has gotten you suspended more than once, and makes you look like you are making a mockery out of Advantage Players.
Nathan recently posted something about Scarab and has posted a few things on here that to me belie whether she is not a secret AP after all.
Starting to wonder if her cover is an AP pretending to be an annoying Ploppie that is trying to be an unworthy AP
Quote: darkozNathan recently posted something about Scarab and has posted a few things on here that to me belie whether she is not a secret AP after all.
Starting to wonder if her cover is an AP pretending to be an annoying Ploppie that is trying to be an unworthy AP
Nope.
Quote: LusciousSweet2My advice to you is to stop trying to come across as an Advantage Player if you are not one. It has gotten you suspended more than once, and makes you look like you are making a mockery out of Advantage Players.
I try so hard to come across as an AP because I don't want to come across as a Ploppy. AP's are seen as glamorous, worldly, sophisticated, are highly respected, high class, well liked, revered, wise. Ploppies are seen as the equivalent of the bum asking for a dollar under the Vegas Freeway. Who the heck would want to be considered a Ploppy?
Quote: NathanI try so hard to come across as an AP because I don't want to come across as a Ploppy. AP's are seen as glamorous, worldly, sophisticated, are highly respected, high class, well liked, revered, wise. Ploppies are seen as the equivalent of the bum asking for a dollar under the Vegas Freeway. Who the heck would want to be considered a Ploppy?
Lol. High class???? Revered????
Quote: darkozNathan recently posted something about Scarab and has posted a few things on here that to me belie whether she is not a secret AP after all.
Starting to wonder if her cover is an AP pretending to be an annoying Ploppie that is trying to be an unworthy AP
The Scarab Jewel confusion thing happened to me personally my very first try on Scarab. I got a full line of Scarab Jewel on like Game 8 and didn't win ANY money for it. I was baffled and I personally thought the game was a scam. The ONLY reason I didn't stop playing then and there was because I was already on Game 8 out of 10 and assumed something really good happened on Game 10, so I played two more games and the "Non paying Scarab jewels," turned into WILDS and I got like $50 on a .75 bet! :D Not bad at all! I could see someone else leaving after the "Scarab jewels," paid nothing despite having a full line of them.
Quote: FinsRuleLol. High class???? Revered????
Yes, people consider AP high class and revered. For example, "John let a Ploppy leave a bunch of multipliers on a UX Machine. After the Ploppy left, John played ONE hand at $5 and won $5,000! John is so high class and wise!"
Actually Nathan, I disagree. And I'm occasionally AP and occasionally ploppy.Quote: NathanYes, people consider AP high class and revered. For example, "John let a Ploppy leave a bunch of multipliers on a UX Machine. After the Ploppy left, John played ONE hand at $5 and won $5,000! John is so high class and wise!"
Many ( especially casinos ) have a poor opinion of AP's. Indeed some AP's are perceived as nothing but hustlers or even parasites ( not meant to be derogatory )
Ploppies are just recreational players, who might neither know nor care how the game works or how heavy the odds are stacked against them.
Lottery ticket buyers are the ultimate ploppies in that regard.
Quote: OnceDearActually Nathan, I disagree. And I'm occasionally AP and occasionally ploppy.
Many ( especially casinos ) have a poor opinion of AP's. Indeed some AP's are perceived as nothing but hustlers or even parasites ( not meant to be derogatory )
Ploppies are just recreational players, who might neither know nor care how the game works or how heavy the odds are stacked against them.
Lottery ticket buyers are the ultimate ploppies in that regard.
I'll bet you don't call that BILLION dollar Mega Millions winner a PLOPPY. ;)
Sure would. Even ploppies get lucky. Winning on the lottery does not make him/her smart. Indeed it confirms he/she was dumb enough to buy a ticket.Quote: NathanI'll bet you don't call that BILLION dollar Mega Millions winner a PLOPPY. ;)
Quote: OnceDearSure would. Even ploppies get lucky. Winning on the lottery does not make him/her smart. Indeed it confirms he/she was dumb enough to buy a ticket.
You're just eating sour grapes because someone won over a BILLION before taxes on a $2 bet. ;)
I then went an put in an 8 team parlay.... hit it!
I guess you haven't meet me yet. Nathan has perfectly described me, thank you Nathan. Now back to your corner.Quote: FinsRuleLol. High class???? Revered????
Quote: AxelWolfI guess you haven't meet me yet. Nathan has perfectly described me, thank you Nathan. Now back to your corner.
Oh my God, Axel, you are a CARD! LMAO! :D
