December 20th, 2018 at 9:58:58 AM
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Hello all.

I noticed a craps side bet in Macau, any hard way pays 4 to 1. Any idea what the house edge is on this bet?

Thanks

I noticed a craps side bet in Macau, any hard way pays 4 to 1. Any idea what the house edge is on this bet?

Thanks

You got to play the hand that's dealt you, that's what the old man always said.

December 20th, 2018 at 10:19:16 AM
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about time someone would come up with that one.Quote:MaShuaiI noticed a craps side bet in Macau, any hard way pays 4 to 1. Any idea what the house edge is on this bet?

22 ways a 4,6, 8,10 and 7 can roll (8+8+6)

we want 4 of them, that leaves 18 no good losing rolls

4* 4/22 + -1*18/22 = 16/22 + -18/22 =

-2/22 = -1/11 =-0.0909091

just like the current hard 6 or hard 8

is 'any' better than being 'specific'?

most bet $1 on them

winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)

December 20th, 2018 at 11:54:31 AM
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Your question is slightly ambiguous but there's two possible ways this bet works.

(a) Any normal hardway (4 6 8 or 10) is rolled before an easy way or 7.

The only rolls which win are 2-2 3-3 4-4 5-5 i.e. 4 rolls

The six rolls of 2 3 11 or 12 are a standoff as are the eight rolls of 5 or 9, so that leaves 22 rolls of 4 6 7 8 or 10.

So every 22 outcomes you get back 4 winners of $4+$1 i.e. $20 per $22 bet = HE 9.09%

So given the normal lousy odds US casinos offer on hard ways, not such a bad bet; but still "best to avoid".

(b) A one roll bet that the next roll will be a hardway. 6 ways to win (1-1 2-2 3-3 4-4 5-5 6-6) $4+$1 i.e. $30 per $36 bet = HE 16.67% "Avoid".

(a) Any normal hardway (4 6 8 or 10) is rolled before an easy way or 7.

The only rolls which win are 2-2 3-3 4-4 5-5 i.e. 4 rolls

The six rolls of 2 3 11 or 12 are a standoff as are the eight rolls of 5 or 9, so that leaves 22 rolls of 4 6 7 8 or 10.

So every 22 outcomes you get back 4 winners of $4+$1 i.e. $20 per $22 bet = HE 9.09%

So given the normal lousy odds US casinos offer on hard ways, not such a bad bet; but still "best to avoid".

(b) A one roll bet that the next roll will be a hardway. 6 ways to win (1-1 2-2 3-3 4-4 5-5 6-6) $4+$1 i.e. $30 per $36 bet = HE 16.67% "Avoid".

December 20th, 2018 at 7:17:51 PM
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Thank you for both of your answers. Charlie Patrick, admittedly, I don’t know the exact rule. Could be a one time roll bet, could be a hard way before anything else or a 7. I will ask next time. Either way, it’s a bet to be avoided.

You got to play the hand that's dealt you, that's what the old man always said.