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FleaStiff
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November 18th, 2018 at 2:23:49 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I would call it cheating.

Its sort of a soft hustle for tip. The Box will end it after a while.
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November 18th, 2018 at 3:30:01 PM permalink
Is tipping a bartender for a generous pour stealing?

Is it an analogous situation?
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November 18th, 2018 at 3:31:59 PM permalink
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I agree, but what would you do?
Recently, I was playing, occasionally tipping but enjoying the dealer, who was entertaining the table. I have a $25 bet out. My 18 loses to the dealer but the dealer calls it a drawer. We locked eyes and it certainly seemed like he was telling me it was not an accident.
Do you correct him?



Yes, this is a moral dilemma isn't it. I'll split this off to another thread if it gets more than a few more posts.

I'm pretty sure I have been in this situation in blackjack where I thought I lost and the dealer called it a push, or turned a push to a win. This was often done shortly after giving a decent tip and with a look on his face that I took to mean "you take care of me and I'll take care of you." When this happens, I don't feel comfortable and will move to another table. I suppose someone more honest than me would insist on giving back any money I didn't win, but usually the dealer scoops away the cards quickly, so I'm never sure the error wasn't mine.

To address the craps example, let me preface my response by saying that I don't play much of the game and when I do, my bets are always very clear. I've never made a verbal bet in craps in my life. However, let's say I did, and it should have lost but the dealer refuses to accept the money because the bet wasn't accepted with a little wink in his eye. Much like in blackjack, I wouldn't insist on paying the money, but it would make me feel comfortable. Either I would make no more verbal bets at that table or just play at another table.

Much more important to me than playing well is playing honestly and honoring your gambling debts.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
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November 18th, 2018 at 3:43:15 PM permalink
I like the cut of your jibe.
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November 18th, 2018 at 4:02:29 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Yes, this is a moral dilemma isn't it. I'll split this off to another thread if it gets more than a few more posts.

I'm pretty sure I have been in this situation in blackjack where I thought I lost and the dealer called it a push, or turned a push to a win. This was often done shortly after giving a decent tip and with a look on his face that I took to mean "you take care of me and I'll take care of you." When this happens, I don't feel comfortable and will move to another table. I suppose someone more honest than me would insist on giving back any money I didn't win, but usually the dealer scoops away the cards quickly, so I'm never sure the error wasn't mine.

To address the craps example, let me preface my response by saying that I don't play much of the game and when I do, my bets are always very clear. I've never made a verbal bet in craps in my life. However, let's say I did, and it should have lost but the dealer refuses to accept the money because the bet wasn't accepted with a little wink in his eye. Much like in blackjack, I wouldn't insist on paying the money, but it would make me feel comfortable. Either I would make no more verbal bets at that table or just play at another table.

Much more important to me than playing well is playing honestly and honoring your gambling debts.


Next time that happens, give me a call. :)


I'm joking, of course......maybe.



I worked with a dealer who used to deal craps way back in the day at a casino where it was "go for your own" and tokes weren't split between all dealers, however the craps crew would split their own for their own table. He said if they were having a bad week, the supervisor would give them the "go ahead" and leave the pit for a while. Mysteriously they'd make several hundred each during that time and the supervisor would get a cut. I'm not sure how true that story necessarily is, since he wasn't the most honest. Probably true but maybe a bit exaggerated. I'm pretty sure he does crack now, though.
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November 18th, 2018 at 8:30:03 PM permalink
Have you ever heard," Your scratch my back and I scratch yours"?
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November 18th, 2018 at 9:19:31 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Yes, this is a moral dilemma isn't it. I'll split this off to another thread if it gets more than a few more posts.

I'm pretty sure I have been in this situation in blackjack where I thought I lost and the dealer called it a push, or turned a push to a win. This was often done shortly after giving a decent tip and with a look on his face that I took to mean "you take care of me and I'll take care of you." When this happens, I don't feel comfortable and will move to another table. I suppose someone more honest than me would insist on giving back any money I didn't win, but usually the dealer scoops away the cards quickly, so I'm never sure the error wasn't mine.

To address the craps example, let me preface my response by saying that I don't play much of the game and when I do, my bets are always very clear. I've never made a verbal bet in craps in my life. However, let's say I did, and it should have lost but the dealer refuses to accept the money because the bet wasn't accepted with a little wink in his eye. Much like in blackjack, I wouldn't insist on paying the money, but it would make me feel comfortable. Either I would make no more verbal bets at that table or just play at another table.

Much more important to me than playing well is playing honestly and honoring your gambling debts.


On a Caribbean cruise, I just slouched way down in my chair, my eyes at table level, and the BJ dealer kept lifting the hole-card and letting me peek, just as long as I was tipping. This went on for a couple of nights, with zero verbalization. Then he suddenly stopped exposing the hole-card, which was a non-verbal cut-off signal. That was a long time ago before I learned about security and "cheater's justice". I wouldn't try it again, but you can see how these things just happen spontaneously.

Another time I was at a Northern Michigan BJ table, the dealer has 15, deals 6, and says "too many". NOT ONE PERSON at that table made a peep; it was a spontaneous display of cooperative theft, but nobody felt bad for the casino that time. Since this wasn't prearranged, I felt that at worst, they might ask for the money back, and I kept it. In this situation, if I would have said anything, the other players might have been pissed.
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November 18th, 2018 at 10:30:23 PM permalink
I will never forget playing FreeBet BJ at a Spring WoVCon and one of the board members stopping the dealer from paying the table on a Push22. :-(
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November 19th, 2018 at 12:32:14 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I said it was like rolling seven yo's in a row, not exactly the same probability. However, for the perfectionists of the forum, it is like rolling a yo 6.895027494 times in a row. .

I get 9.28 rolls.

Ln 452,000,000,000 / Ln 18
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November 19th, 2018 at 1:13:47 AM permalink
Quote: Ace2

I get 9.28 rolls.

Ln 452,000,000,000 / Ln 18


inb4 Wizard says, "Get off my back chief, I was off by 3 zeroes."


Wizard did it for 452 million, not 452 billion.



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