jmills
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September 4th, 2018 at 11:14:26 AM permalink
I've seen this happen several times, and I don't understand it. I usually make a pass line bet and a single come bet with odds. If the come bet wins, the dealer brings it down with the winnings, sometimes leaving ten coming if they know I always have one come bet. But a few times I'm paid the winnings but the dealer leaves the bet with odds on the 8 or whatever number it was. This would make sense if I had another come bet up, but I don't. I have to ask them to bring it down. Is this a mistake on the part of the dealer, or some rule I'm unfamiliar with?

Another question: anywhere in Vegas with a full pay ATS bet? (35/175/35)?
ChumpChange
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September 4th, 2018 at 12:17:53 PM permalink
WinCraps doesn't give me that option. I'd have to convert my Come Bet with odds bet into a Place Bet or a Buy Bet.
If I have a $10 Come Bet and $20 odds up, I'd make a $30 Place Bet/Buy Bet on the same number when the Come Bet won.
Leaving the Come Bet with odds up may seem to be a better deal than making a Place Bet/Buy Bet.
I'd lose out on the Come-out Come Bet 7's which may be the reason the casino allows this action you describe.
Say I have $10 with $20 odds on the 4 or 10: it pays $10 + $40 = $50, where a $31 Buy Bet would pay $60/$59.
Say I have $10 with $20 odds on the 5 or 9: it pays $10 + $30 = $40, where a $30 Place Bet would pay $42 (considering I might need a $50 minimum Buy Bet)
Say I have $10 with $20 odds on the 6 or 8: it pays $10 + $24 = $34, where a $30 Place Bet pays $35.
Maybe taking the Place Bet instead of leaving the Come Bet with odds up is a better deal, depends what you're betting.
unJon
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September 4th, 2018 at 12:25:17 PM permalink
Quote: jmills

I've seen this happen several times, and I don't understand it. I usually make a pass line bet and a single come bet with odds. If the come bet wins, the dealer brings it down with the winnings, sometimes leaving ten coming if they know I always have one come bet. But a few times I'm paid the winnings but the dealer leaves the bet with odds on the 8 or whatever number it was. This would make sense if I had another come bet up, but I don't. I have to ask them to bring it down. Is this a mistake on the part of the dealer, or some rule I'm unfamiliar with?

Another question: anywhere in Vegas with a full pay ATS bet? (35/175/35)?



Iíve never seen this before. Sounds like the dealer is converting your come bet into a put bet. That has a higher HE than a come bet (because it skips the come out roll) and unless the odds are very high it has a higher HE than a place/buy bet.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
ChumpChange
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September 4th, 2018 at 12:43:15 PM permalink
So I guess if you're betting 5X odds or more, this Put Bet option would be a way to go.
unJon
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September 4th, 2018 at 12:55:05 PM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

So I guess if you're betting 5X odds or more, this Put Bet option would be a way to go.

As a substitute to placing the inside numbers, yes. I think 4x is the break even on 5/9 and 5x on 6/8. Itís higher against the 4/10 because you compare to the buy (and if you pkay those you should be at a place where vig is on win only if you can). But it is never better than a come bet if thatís what you want to replace. So if the OP wants one come, the put is always worse.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
rushdl
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ontariodealer
September 4th, 2018 at 3:38:10 PM permalink
Dealer mistake. Come bet comes down each win or loss.

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