"Sir, hit the back wall" rant.
Let's be clear.
Craps (and other forms of gambling) is 100% the religion here. Learn it, love it, know it.
For those of you who lost track of this crap dice, here is a youtube video of Alan Watts discussing Carl Gustav Jung on The Acceptance of The Darkness within Ourselves and Others.... ;)
Quote: InTimeForSpace1What if God/Devil is simply our interpretation of the religion as it exists, itself?
If Wittgenstein taught me anything, it is to disregard such a question.
Quote: Mission146If Wittgenstein taught me anything, it is to disregard such a question.
Yes, indeed.
The whole of Wittengenstein's teaching for you, sir, and the questions to be regarded, are all here.
Now this is a site of wisdom we here may wish to focus more on. Basic crap instead of all this existential crap. You might not agree, but I hope not.
If every one were unique, and presented with a unique God or non-God attitude, then were they ever truly unique? Sometimes, we even say the other guy's God is no good to as Godly valid our own assertions or acceptance that there is none. The 100% this or that stuff initiates the escalation. Science isn't the end all and be all, either; it doesn't any more exist than religion, eg, and can't replace other things. Same for the game of Craps, or gambling in general. It's just something we do amid other things. No one thing is the "secret".Quote: PaigowdanCraps (and other forms of gambling) is 100% the religion here.
What's the only question without an answer?Quote: Mission146If Wittgenstein taught me anything, it is to disregard such a question.
Way back in May of five years ago, a day after we held WoVCon ][, a few of us had what we called WoVCon ][.1 -- we went out to Fiesta Henderson to play, hoping to catch you dealing at our crap table. You were assigned to a different game that night, but we did see you briefly. So where are you dealing now, same place or a new spot?Quote: PaigowdanI'm a crap dealer, and I just came back from my shift. (And yes, I did go back, and it keeps me busy.)
Quote: DocWay back in May of five years ago, a day after we held WoVCon ][, a few of us had what we called WoVCon ][.1 -- we went out to Fiesta Henderson to play, hoping to catch you dealing at our crap table. You were assigned to a different game that night, but we did see you briefly. So where are you dealing now, same place or a new spot?
Yes, Fiesta Henderson, and on dice, Pai Gow Poker, Blackjack, Ultimate Texas Hold 'em, and Three Card Poker. Everything except Roulette. 60% craps, 30% Pai Gow Poker (All commission-free, ahem), and 10% Ultimate Texas Hold 'em, often a fill-in for a sick call in. Rarely is it Blackjack, and no roulette,
Stations had recently called me back, via a shift manager.
Apparently, a number of younger dealers left after acquiring skills at some Stations properties when things in the city picked up, and basically said to their properties, "Thanks for believing in me, and thanks for teaching me; I'm now off to the strip for more money. Goodbye to you,' displaying little loyalty for the investment that Stations had extended to them.
Some dealers stayed because the environment is more friendly and lower pressure (meaning less sweating of things, better politics, fairer treatment, and less 'talk-down" peon abuse from higher ups, a hallmark of Stations superiority in employee treatment).
Quote: InTimeForSpace1If every one were unique, and presented with a unique God or non-God attitude, then were they ever truly unique? Sometimes, we even say the other guy's God is no good to as Godly valid our own assertions or acceptance that there is none. The 100% this or that stuff initiates the escalation. Science isn't the end all and be all, either; it doesn't any more exist than religion, eg, and can't replace other things. Same for the game of Craps, or gambling in general. It's just something we do amid other things. No one thing is the "secret".
Increase the medication.
Quote: Paigowdan
Apparently, a number of younger dealers left after acquiring skills at some Stations properties when things in the city picked up, and basically said to their properties, "Thanks for believing in me, and thanks for teaching me; I'm now off to the strip for more money. Goodbye to you,' displaying little loyalty for the investment that Stations had extended to them.
This is one of the most offensive statements I have ever read.
Wow.
What do you suppose these "disloyal" dealers owe to these properties aside from an honest day's work? A lifetime of indentured servitude? Maybe we should go back to feudalism so that the corporate masters can never be inconvenienced.
Are these dealers not free to pursue their economic opportunities? Do you think that the Stations properties would ever hesitate to lay off these dealers the instant it was more profitable to do so?
Do you think these dealers' rents and grocery bills will go down once they have affirmed they turned down a higher-paying job to display loyalty to a corporation that wouldn't know them as anything more than a number on a spreadsheet?
I have heard of capitalist-oligarchy apologists but your statement above really takes the cake for corporate toadying.
Loyalty is not common in any industry these days.
Yes, break in places lose their employees but they work them alot first and don't pay them much.
A friendly reasonably paced game at Stations sure beats other joints, where you get written up for the slightest infraction, but dealers often enjoy the lure of more money in the toke packet.
Quote: sodawaterThis is one of the most offensive statements I have ever read.
Wow.
What do you suppose these "disloyal" dealers owe to these properties aside from an honest day's work? A lifetime of indentured servitude? Maybe we should go back to feudalism so that the corporate masters can never be inconvenienced.
No. I myself, before on many occasions,, gave extended notice (two weeks to two months+), and did so to help staffing needs. This included an engineering firm in NY before I left for Vegas, and also Stations, when I opened the spa. Now, I try to leave with proper notice so that no one (employer or employee) gets T-boned. Stations in particular has a well-coordinated internal transfer procedure that gets workers and the employer better attuned to practicing better departure, notice, and transfer practices, but still there's a bit of "hey, I'm gone, no notice, good bye" attitudes when it comes to the lower break-in properties.
I think No-showing as "giving notice," (or walking off those who give notice) as a way of handling staffing needs is the feudalistic action here. Abrupt departures by some break-ins seems to have gotten me called in to fill in more quickly, and it's a sign that some of this went down. You work with people of an outfit for months or years, there should be some dialog and coordination.
Quote: sodawaterAre these dealers not free to pursue their economic opportunities?
Sure they are allowed to pursue opportunities, and I never said otherwise.
For many, when giving notice, it includes a transition period so that a replacement can be found.
When people "No show/No call" as a way of leaving jobs, it puts the employer who offered you a job in a very bad position. Roulette and crap dealer departures can put a smaller or break-in house in the lurch. Many break-in dealers, as well as some small casino employers, are oblivious to proper personnel/staff changes others aren't.
Quote: SWDo you think that the Stations properties would ever hesitate to lay off these dealers the instant it was more profitable to do so?
Yes, or at least try in good faith and with some positive results. Stations had saved jobs during the 2008 economic crunch when many others were just firing off employees then. Hours were reduced and shifts times changed in many cases, but it beats the old "We're in a crunch, and there's the door" approach that other operators had used. People remember this about them.
Quote: sodawaterDo you think these dealers' rents and grocery bills will go down once they have affirmed they turned down a higher-paying job to display loyalty to a corporation that wouldn't know them as anything more than a number on a spreadsheet?
No one was asked to undergo reduced incomes, or to reject higher paying jobs; I implied here that no notice was given, and in gaming, typically abrupt departures or terminations are all too common, and I'm against that. Some dealers resign by not giving notice, and other places fire on the spot those who do give proper notice. If this is how you think or expect any business - including gaming - should be run, well, I disagree. And too often it does run this way. It depends on the people.
Quote: sodawaterI have heard of capitalist-oligarchy apologists but your statement above really takes the cake for corporate toadying.
I think your position and attitude takes the cake. If people give and receive orderly notice to/from employers, this doesn't make for "capitalist-oligarchy apologies," it makes for orderly transitions with financial protections, and it should be done.
Quote: PaigowdanApparently, a number of younger dealers left after acquiring skills at some Stations properties when things in the city picked up, and basically said to their properties, "Thanks for believing in me, and thanks for teaching me; I'm now off to the strip for more money. Goodbye to you,' displaying little loyalty for the investment that Stations had extended to them.
If Stations shares these same values, it's quite obvious why the employees didn't want to stay there
Quote: TomGIf Stations shares these same values, it's quite obvious why the employees didn't want to stay there
No, I don't think they do.
People will leave for high-paying places and then actually find them rougher; many later come back.
I see the industry having been in other industries (education and data processing), and in casino work, most outfits are like "Who are you, and why do I care!" about dealers, with Stations being quite a bit less along those lines for the most part.
I guess many break-ins do not yet know the industry fully and how each outfit runs, until they 'see the world" a bit more.
Quote: FleaStiff…but dealers often enjoy the lure of more money in the toke packet.
Recent disclosure from one dealer said they no longer get the toke envelopes, it is now added to there check.
Many companies will walk an employee out upon receiving notice. The one I know of does it for security purposes, but they also pay for the two weeks you were willing to work.
Any industry with a learning curve is going to have their entry level and stepping stone companies. I think Dan's main point is don't burn bridges if you can help it.
There is a term for the extra money you get when you take a job that has more hassles, we call it the bullsh*t premium.
Quote: ThenWhatHappens
Any industry with a learning curve is going to have their entry level and stepping stone companies. I think Dan's main point is don't burn bridges if you can help it.
There is a term for the extra money you get when you take a job that has more hassles, we call it the bullsh*t premium.
Very true. Those running off while flipping the bird get onto a 'do not rehire' status.
The bullsh*t premium is very true, and conversely, there a 'fairness benefit' other places have, and newbie dealers neither see no account for these factors until they go out into the world a bit....
When I originally joined Stations in 2006, I was made full time very quickly, given a pension plan, and A to Z health insurance that could only be described a huge. At the time, I thought, "fine, okay, thanks...' but I ended up needing the insurance after a bad heart attack in 2007; the co-pay was pocket change, specialist co-pays were like $20, (and the Shift Manager visited twice).
Looking back on this, the health plan was twice the typical plan such an outfit usually gives, and in hindsight it really saved my ass; financially, my life from that point on was saved when it could have been on a destroyed path from that point on, and I didn't see its full role until later. But for the grace of God go I, as they say. This is in addition to employees being kept on during the crunch of 2008. In terms of being capitalist-oligarchic meanies, they were the opposite, a really a decent place. If I had been an on-call dealer at a strip place for more tips and the B.S premium - but no benies, I would have been cleaned out, kicked to the curb, and on a different path.
I assumed the lower tier joints expected that most dealers would want to move on and upward if possible.
Good to see that mid-level joints like Stations take care of their crews.
But there is a finite amount of premier places: if the top 10% of all places are great paying, then 90% of dealers would have to work at mid-level or average places, and this doesn't account for other factors like the bulls]t premium, the commute, the political pit environment, and the like. People don't know their own best fit in life, and it's hard to see as a break-in, in any field.
It's like college admissions: life is not over if Harvard, Yale, and MIT turn you down; graduating in good standing from The University of Chicago, Notre Dame or from Stony Brook is nothing to feel bad about.
The healthiest dealers I know, life-wise, aren't Wynn or Caesars dealers but Red Rock, Rampart, Green Valley and the M dealers.
Quote: PaigowdanQuote: DocWay back in May of five years ago, a day after we held WoVCon ][, a few of us had what we called WoVCon ][.1 -- we went out to Fiesta Henderson to play, hoping to catch you dealing at our crap table. You were assigned to a different game that night, but we did see you briefly. So where are you dealing now, same place or a new spot?
Yes, Fiesta Henderson, and on dice, Pai Gow Poker, Blackjack, Ultimate Texas Hold 'em, and Three Card Poker. Everything except Roulette. 60% craps, 30% Pai Gow Poker (All commission-free, ahem), and 10% Ultimate Texas Hold 'em, often a fill-in for a sick call in. Rarely is it Blackjack, and no roulette,
Stations had recently called me back, via a shift manager.
Apparently, a number of younger dealers left after acquiring skills at some Stations properties when things in the city picked up, and basically said to their properties, "Thanks for believing in me, and thanks for teaching me; I'm now off to the strip for more money. Goodbye to you,' displaying little loyalty for the investment that Stations had extended to them.
Some dealers stayed because the environment is more friendly and lower pressure (meaning less sweating of things, better politics, fairer treatment, and less 'talk-down" peon abuse from higher ups, a hallmark of Stations superiority in employee treatment).
While this discussion has changed to leaving with proper notice, I see nothing in the original post stating these people walked out without notice. I think we can all agree that giving 2 weeks notice is the proper thing to do. If the company choices not to accept it, that is on them, not the employee. But no employee should ever be upset that an employee left for what they see as a better situation. Doing the right thing when leaving usually allows that person to come back if the grass isn't greener.
I will say that many dealer Issues simply come out of inexperience and newness, and simple ignorance of work experience, ("being green"), and not from bad will, though the effect is the same and looks poor.
Break-in places take the brunt of the learning curve, and not every fine point is covered or taught, or taught correctly, in a store-front dealer's school.
Quote: PaigowdanThis included an engineering firm in NY before I left for Vegas, and also Stations, when I opened the spa.
You owned a spa in Las Vegas? In competition with the casino-funded spas? Wow.
I know Day Spas became quite profitable in Seattle and elsewhere and even here in Florida day spas often improve a man's enjoyment of his golf game or his fishing experience. Indeed some day spas advertise a 'drop the wife off here and then go fishing' theme. Quite a few spas opened in Biloxi and retaining personnel was a problem for awhile, but I would never have the courage to open a spa in Vegas and try to compete against casino-located spas or casino-affiliated spas.
I think its good when a company has excellent health insurance and pension plans, it means they not only value their employees but tend to value harmony as well.
Casino spas cost a fortune, and only "resort" casinos have them (some strip properties, and Green Valley Ranch, Red Rock, etc.)
There are a number of local non-casino spas around town. Our business is doing well with my wife as the "pit boss' there.
Quote: DeMangoBeen mentioned a few times around here that the name is "sweat joint" Think it was Ahigh who had tee shirts made up to wear there.
South point has the second-worst game run in Vegas. First worst is the Wynn, who decided to follow suit of the South Point after a earnings conference call where Steve Wynn pontificated as if he had been running casinos in Vegas longer than anyone else and knew what best to do.
Ask his craps dealers how the tokes went after his policies. Not exactly creating "stories" of the pleasant variety, huh, Steve?
We need a new "sweat joint" shirt starting with a Wynn Nike Golf shirt.
The Cromwell offers 100x odds, BTW, and last time I was in Vegas, that's the ONLY place for a REAL gambler to play. The second day the Cromwell was open, I suggested that they do 100x odds, but I never expected that they would.
I also make claim to the idea to offer free buys on the four and ten that were adopted after I suggested the idea to Jim Simms when he was at the Downtown Grand. Nobody except Jim Simms, apparently, knows that it was my suggestion to do the free buys, but that idea definitely came from me.
One day I might meet Steve Wynn. I still have a tremendous amount of respect for the man, but I think his move to double odds was "watch the right hand" (Las Vegas doing good) while the left hand was covering up the abysmal performance of Macau Baccarat revenue. They've lost half their market cap since the peak on their ticker if I have my information right (about ten billion).
DO NOT PATRONIZE PLACES THAT TREAT THEIR CUSTOMERS TERRIBLY.
That is, unless, of course, you wish to fling it right back at them (how they treat you like an inferior and/or idiot for trying to set the dice, then go a step further to pretend that it worries them).
For some, the idea that (or attention relating to) the house sweating the money is an entertaining component to the game. If you don't believe me, go and watch some people taunting the box-man as they make prop bets, grunt on release, and snap their fingers when the dice hit the table claiming they are hurting the casino.
You just don't want to play with these type of people or in this type of casino. Not ever, really, unless you just like the entertainment of the fantasy of it all and don't mind letting them take your money faster.
Otherwise I don't see a LV casino sweating any so called dice influencer/ controller.
Quote: BozOtherwise I don't see a LV casino sweating any so called dice influencer/ controller.
They aren't sweating "so called dice influencer" .. they are sweating every shooter that doesn't hit the back wall.
No less of a gambling luminary than Frank Scoblete has written about how dice setters are winning MILLIONS from the casinos by dice setting.
He wouldn't be making that up now, would he?
Quote: MrVThe casinos should be afradi.
No less of a gambling luminary than Frank Scoblete has written about how dice setters are winning MILLIONS from the casinos by dice setting.
He wouldn't be making that up now, would he?
No. He's just not telling you those same dice setters are losing many more millions than they're winning.
Quote: AhighThey aren't sweating "so called dice influencer" .. they are sweating every shooter that doesn't hit the back wall.
Correct. Which is where this thread started. I contend most pit personal know their job and can quickly tell if someone made an error or is a joker trying to pull something. That usually determines how that person is treated.
Quote: BozCorrect. Which is where this thread started. I contend most pit personal know their job and can quickly tell if someone made an error or is a joker trying to pull something. That usually determines how that person is treated.
Alright, but back where the thread started, we're not talking about MOST personal. We're talking about the South Point's. So you're wrong. When people like you make guesses based on common sense, and you're wrong, it doesn't mean you don't have common sense, it just means that you're wrong.
Quote: AhighAlright, but back where the thread started, we're not talking about MOST personal. We're talking about the South Point's. So you're wrong. When people like you make guesses based on common sense, and you're wrong, it doesn't mean you don't have common sense, it just means that you're wrong.
I'll take that since most of us were NOT wrong about the POS you were working for and used you as a tool. But I'm on the side that you were not in on the stock scam. Or was I wrong about that too?
Quote: AxelWolfWell, this got ugly. Then again, it is a craps discussion after all.
They usually do. Adding in a good stock scam, a debate about casinos sweating the money and one of the most controversial posters ever and we have forum gold**
*hopefully with minimal suspensions
**by the way has anyone observed a fuzzy high limit "slot/table game" anywhere ?
I think you mean furry.Quote: BozThey usually do. Adding in a good stock scam, a debate about casinos sweating the money and one of the most controversial posters ever and we have forum gold**
*hopefully with minimal suspensions
**by the way has anyone observed a fuzzy high limit "slot/table game" anywhere ?
Quote: BozI'll take that since most of us were NOT wrong about the POS you were working for and used you as a tool. But I'm on the side that you were not in on the stock scam. Or was I wrong about that too?
I do hope that there is a trial so that I can testify in court as to what I know about what happened. I would be ESPECIALLY motivated if I were to learn that individuals masquerading on iHub and slandering my name and career were, in fact, involved in any scam related to NTGL. But if you want to know who is responsible, look for who is hiding behind an anonymous identity, not for who is out in the open.
David Foley, if he is the bad guy people paint him out to be, came across to me as a kind and generous person who believed in my ideas enough to give me 100% freedom to pursue my dreams.
There is absolutely NO QUESTION that the activities on iHub where people slander my name have less than pure motivations behind them. There are similar motivations on this forum from people who hide behind anonymous identities and come up with non-factual information in an effort to make me look the way that they want me to look. Hiding behind fake id's and slamming the reputation of someone who is not hiding behind a fake id is a pretty lame way to operate IMO.
But in the words of Friedrich Nietzsche, "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss also gazes into you."
Granted you'd have to understand the difficulty in achieving this, but let me explain, it's far too difficult for me to have merely done this for a scam. RAA proof, look it up, but it's absurd that I'm part of any scam. Easiest and one of the most powerful proofs you'll learn in a formal logic class. Something many americans would benefit from.
Especially guys like the attorney general (completely devoid of logic, this guy).
Anyway, that's enough.
Who'd have thunk it!! Congratulations. Maybe its like hotel room pricing and casinos, I don't know. Some casinos allow comping of spa treatments which makes running a stand-alone spa a venture I would never have had the courage to risk.Quote: PaigowdanThere are a number of local non-casino spas around town.
Sweat-the-money, SouthPoint, SweatPoint, whatever:
Yeah, Southpoint is known for large rooms, cheap prices, but its also known as a No Sharpies Allowed joint with BJ pits that will send home an entire table of players even though its at the red chip level. No one can be greedy at SouthPoint except the house. Don't like 2x odds... heck they don't either. They would prefer not to offer ANY odds but they feel they are being exceptionally generous at 2x.
Wynn's 'belt tightening' Well folks, it happens. Things change. Just remember its always a question of FEET. Everything in Vegas is a question of feet. If Wynn had to cinch his belt too tight for you, then Vote with Your Feet. Its the player's last resort but its an effective option. Sometimes, casinos foolishly make it a player's only option.
Cromwell??? Heck it used to Binions that Real Gamblers and Real Men went to. Benny greet you by name and others noticed it. But that was eons ago. Times change. Cromwells a strange joint to take over the reputation for Real Gamblers Destination, but so be it. 100x? Too rich for my very thin blood, but I'd sure like to see some of it in action. Dealers have from time to time reminded me that I should have as much action as I can on the odds bet, but it ain't their money. Maybe some day I'll be drunk enough to 'go for broke' and back up a line bet with 100x and maybe even Place bets all the way across at 100x. Well, probably won't happen, but who knows .... .
Quote: FleaStiffWho'd have thunk it!! Congratulations. Maybe its like hotel room pricing and casinos, I don't know. Some casinos allow comping of spa treatments which makes running a stand-alone spa a venture I would never have had the courage to risk.
Sweat-the-money, SouthPoint, SweatPoint, whatever:
Yeah, Southpoint is known for large rooms, cheap prices, but its also known as a No Sharpies Allowed joint with BJ pits that will send home an entire table of players even though its at the red chip level. No one can be greedy at SouthPoint except the house. Don't like 2x odds... heck they don't either. They would prefer not to offer ANY odds but they feel they are being exceptionally generous at 2x.
Wynn's 'belt tightening' Well folks, it happens. Things change. Just remember its always a question of FEET. Everything in Vegas is a question of feet. If Wynn had to cinch his belt too tight for you, then Vote with Your Feet. Its the player's last resort but its an effective option. Sometimes, casinos foolishly make it a player's only option.
Cromwell??? Heck it used to Binions that Real Gamblers and Real Men went to. Benny greet you by name and others noticed it. But that was eons ago. Times change. Cromwells a strange joint to take over the reputation for Real Gamblers Destination, but so be it. 100x? Too rich for my very thin blood, but I'd sure like to see some of it in action. Dealers have from time to time reminded me that I should have as much action as I can on the odds bet, but it ain't their money. Maybe some day I'll be drunk enough to 'go for broke' and back up a line bet with 100x and maybe even Place bets all the way across at 100x. Well, probably won't happen, but who knows .... .
Southpoint: Does have some decent video poker, particularly NSUD.
Wynn: Virtually everyone gets this one wrong. You never bet against Steve Wynn, so don't do so at his casinos. You should always bet WITH Steve Wynn, particularly when he gives you what amounts to an open invitation. At the beginning of the year, Wynn purchased about $100 million of his own company's stock at roughly $60 a share. This was widely reported in the financial press. He was basically saying, "I think my stock is a steal, and you should too." It closed yesterday at $125. Steve Wynn is like Hyman Roth...he always makes money for his partners. Well, maybe not always, but more often than not...
I neither snap nor grunt, but one boxman did inquire as to why I "show clean hands" after every toss of the dice. I don't think he was objecting to my habit, just commenting on it. I open my hand fully after the dice have left it, as well as a both hands palm up and palm down when I become teh shooter and make my two out of five selection (which is always the two closest to me with no hesitation).Quote: RSIf you don't snap n grunt when throwing the dice, don't expect to win.
Note: One of teh box man's duties is to watch the shooters hands to make sure the shooter has not palmed one or each of the house's dies and switched his own into the game.
Betting against Wynn: Heck if he offers a 2x craps game and people walk away from it, that is just common sense but it ain't betting against Mr. Volcano Man.
The sad thing about any casino that uses the tactics that Sweat Point casino does is just because someone sets the dice it doesn't mean anything all they would have to do is look at any of the slow motion videos that I've posted, all of them being made by the so-called DI's!
https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=DzCkFahgCdE
Yes, any casino that does not watch these videos are missing the boat about dice control and setting the dice they are running off players that could be making them money and are buying into a superstition that was maded by the so-call DI craps schools where the casinos were reading nothing but fiction!
Here are the videos!
So you want to be a DI and you wonder what a DI shot should look like, I will save you the trouble of doing a search for any slow motion videos. Now some of these are just downright laughable and others were only produced to sell their schools. You should have no problem picking out the commercially done ones!
On the commercially done ones, you will notice that you really can't see what is happening with the dice. It's their way of showing their future customers really nothing at all.
Is there anybody you know in these videos?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2FYrndlrpc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0rAh1ug2Mk&list=UUUJo96xngJwaqh8rIk2whng
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzXc2PXS114&index=12&list=TLPhC1SU9dvTE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1FO4YsUA30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqiptZZotMc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzXc2PXS114&index=12&list=TLPhC1SU9dvTE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k467uPlLn3A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzXc2PXS114&index=12&list=TLPhC1SU9dvTE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkU458iCDiY&list=UUZ0GZph2K4ebWI6FVaoaJdQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hheh7c6J77Y&index=34&list=UUZ0GZph2K4ebWI6FVaoaJdQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOOULZHKNo0&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6NaIs8y_hE&index=37&list=UUZ0GZph2K4ebWI6FVaoaJdQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jej4WNRGyR8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiZf3jbjie0&list=UUfDRf2L1rCEgYtGFlS_z9ag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS-R8XYUjhs&list=PL29EB7437F6533C12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68pu1F0D_9g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3_wQN7MELc
This guy found 172 videos on throwing the dice or dice control and put them all in one spot for your viewing pleasure and he surely saved me a lot of work!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MrqyVrQWck&list=PL57YTXgE9UrKJJZsOGpdaFhWAEETRt-rU
Lets not forget the one guy that had the best set-up for dice control, Aaron Hightower who went the extra mile to try to prove that dice control either work or it didn't. I have to give him a high-five for all of the work he put into it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2QS26ppbc8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBJwLtAORa0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXSfu5QDDVA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM3qDV9Lz3Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdTzwChYv0U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni-uMB17x4I
Quote: AhighI do hope that there is a trial so that I can testify in court as to what I know about what happened. I would be ESPECIALLY motivated if I were to learn that individuals masquerading on iHub and slandering my name and career were, in fact, involved in any scam related to NTGL. But if you want to know who is responsible, look for who is hiding behind an anonymous identity, not for who is out in the open.
David Foley, if he is the bad guy people paint him out to be, came across to me as a kind and generous person who believed in my ideas enough to give me 100% freedom to pursue my dreams.
There is absolutely NO QUESTION that the activities on iHub where people slander my name have less than pure motivations behind them. There are similar motivations on this forum from people who hide behind anonymous identities and come up with non-factual information in an effort to make me look the way that they want me to look. Hiding behind fake id's and slamming the reputation of someone who is not hiding behind a fake id is a pretty lame way to operate IMO.
But in the words of Friedrich Nietzsche, "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss also gazes into you."
Thanks for putting some of your side out there. I throw some of my opinions looking at it as an outsider in your case in particular but as how it relates to me. The penny stock market is filled with scammers. I fell for a penny stock scam as a young naive "investor" with a few extra hundred in the 80's. The biggest penny stock broker at the time was Robert Brennan and his First Jersey Securities. He is easy to research if you take the time, it is interesting reading. Lesson learned at a small price. For every legitimate small company on the pink sheets, there are far more that are scams, shells and fronts with manipulation of the stock as the goal. I see Foley as a lowlife career criminal who may have actually tried to have the best of both worlds. He tried to start a legitimate company but when the money wasn't there, he always had the old stock scams to fall back on leaving others holding the bag.
I never thought you were part of that in that you truly seemed to believe in what you were trying to build. So much so that you took it personally when other people with industry knowledge tried to help you. You made yourself appear to be very easy to root against. And in some cases it became a game beating you when you were down. As for the guys you are talking about on other sites being against you my bet is they lost money on the company you were with. They profess to know the scams penny stocks are, yet they still invest in them and discuss them. Like problem gamblers, they keep looking for the big score, knowing the game is stacked against them. Then they blame the game instead of themselves for playing it.
And in order to keep the post on topic, not sure why people bitch about South Point or any other casino that doesn't treat them right in their opinion. Like any other business, show them how you feel with your feet and your dollars. In Vegas there are so many options, why frustrate yourself playing where you know your going to get grief?
ON VIDEO. Dicesitter had the best "DI" tosses I have ever seen.Quote: superrickSweat Point casino as it is better known to a lot of craps players that had the unfortunate experience of playing craps there!
The sad thing about any casino that uses the tactics that Sweat Point casino does is just because someone sets the dice it doesn't mean anything all they would have to do is look at any of the slow motion videos that I've posted, all of them being made by the so-called DI's!
https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=DzCkFahgCdE
Yes, any casino that does not watch these videos are missing the boat about dice control and setting the dice they are running off players that could be making them money and are buying into a superstition that was maded by the so-call DI craps schools where the casinos were reading nothing but fiction!
Here are the videos!
So you want to be a DI and you wonder what a DI shot should look like, I will save you the trouble of doing a search for any slow motion videos. Now some of these are just downright laughable and others were only produced to sell their schools. You should have no problem picking out the commercially done ones!
On the commercially done ones, you will notice that you really can't see what is happening with the dice. It's their way of showing their future customers really nothing at all.
Is there anybody you know in these videos?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2FYrndlrpc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0rAh1ug2Mk&list=UUUJo96xngJwaqh8rIk2whng
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzXc2PXS114&index=12&list=TLPhC1SU9dvTE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1FO4YsUA30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqiptZZotMc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzXc2PXS114&index=12&list=TLPhC1SU9dvTE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k467uPlLn3A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzXc2PXS114&index=12&list=TLPhC1SU9dvTE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkU458iCDiY&list=UUZ0GZph2K4ebWI6FVaoaJdQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hheh7c6J77Y&index=34&list=UUZ0GZph2K4ebWI6FVaoaJdQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOOULZHKNo0&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6NaIs8y_hE&index=37&list=UUZ0GZph2K4ebWI6FVaoaJdQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jej4WNRGyR8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiZf3jbjie0&list=UUfDRf2L1rCEgYtGFlS_z9ag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS-R8XYUjhs&list=PL29EB7437F6533C12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68pu1F0D_9g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3_wQN7MELc
This guy found 172 videos on throwing the dice or dice control and put them all in one spot for your viewing pleasure and he surely saved me a lot of work!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MrqyVrQWck&list=PL57YTXgE9UrKJJZsOGpdaFhWAEETRt-rU
Lets not forget the one guy that had the best set-up for dice control, Aaron Hightower who went the extra mile to try to prove that dice control either work or it didn't. I have to give him a high-five for all of the work he put into it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2QS26ppbc8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBJwLtAORa0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXSfu5QDDVA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM3qDV9Lz3Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdTzwChYv0U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni-uMB17x4I
Exactly!
Some people have a superstition and they need to go through a setup routine before they deliver the dice. Just like Jetter stepping into the batters box each swing. He tightens his gloves, adjust his helmet checks this and that and steps in for the pitch. I have a pre delivery routine for every sport i do and setting the dice (for better or worse) when i play craps WILL happen when the dice are in my hand. I'm not slow with setting, but some are, and sometimes the table needs the few extra seconds because dealers try to push the dice out quick when people have not completed their bets, especially when the table is hot or a shooter is on a roll.
