Is Bubble CrapsTaking Over?

Is Bubble Craps Taking Over? With the invention of bubble craps just how many of these machines are out there? Some of the dealers are starting to wonder how long will it be before these machines take over!

I say that there are not too many of them in the bigger casinos but they may be in the smaller ones. So because I only know about some of the machines that I see around Vegas which of the two type of machine do you have in your casinos and where are they at? I hate the Shoot to Win one but could put up with the Interblock machine. The damn voice in the Shoot to Win one is just annoying and drives me nuts I can't stand to listen to it!

Many of the strip casinos have both brands.

Bubbles may actually be good for the game because many beginners are too intimidated to play at real tables right away.

You can play video Blackjack on game kings. Idk what they're technically called but they have half-circle BJ machines I and others call "big tit blackjack" machines where there's a video of a real chick on loop and another that's anime or something.

That being said, Blackjack is still being played on tables and I don't see it going anywhere. People like to play at real tables with real chips with real cards / dice. Plus, there's an inherent mistrust between the public and machines. You can say the odds are the exact same and all that a million times but they'll swear by it the machines are gaffed.

I just see these machines as a bonus or alternate way to play. It's good for the beginner because they can't really f*** anything up and it's far less intimidating than any real table game. Plus, they're typically very low limits ($1 or $2 min) and are great for people in groups (you frequently see one or 2 playing with a big group around all hollering about the $3 win).


I think they're more popular in big casinos that get lots of traffic and can afford it. I don't imagine the machines to be cheap. A small casino isn't going to be able to afford such a machine, especially when most players there (which is few, compared to a big casino) would rather play real craps on a real table. Same reason why some small casinos don't have pai gow or tiles, bacarrat, or many carnival games (maybe three card, but no MS, high 4 card flush, UTH, etc)....just not enough demand and too expensive.

Nothing beats the feel of actually throwing the dice. The dealers can easily be replaced by having terminals to place your bets and then all you need is a stick man to pass you the dice and to record the outcome of the roll.

Most the smaller casino have this kind of machine. I saves them on manpower but gives them good profit. The machine is also very attractive to beginners who don't want to play the real table game.

In many jurisdictions, those machines are categorized as slot machines and taxed accordingly.

That may affect their desirability to the casino.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

In many jurisdictions, those machines are categorized as slot machines and taxed accordingly.

That may affect their desirability to the casino.

yup.. my local casino switched from Organic Craps/baccarat completely automated machines to live dealers but same computer terminals.
this was after the state changed the gambling laws from slots only to allowing table games.

so 3 dealers for a combined seating of 60 terminals:

-2 bac dealers: one red deck, one blue deck
you choose which deck you want to play. the dealers deal at the same time from separate decks.
-1 craps dealer: the players throws the dice

gone is the automated card dealer with robotic arm, and the bouncing dice machine. :(

since it's real dealers, it considered a table game and taxed MUCH lower

In states like Flordia, where they are not allowed live craps, these craps bubble machines are the only option for craps. I dont trust them one bit as Im very confident that they have magnets in them to manipulate the dice. Stay away.

Quote: RogerKint

Many of the strip casinos have both brands.

Bubbles may actually be good for the game because many beginners are too intimidated to play at real tables right away.

I like bubbles/Organic craps because odds count towards points at my local casino.

it was $2 coin-in per point, just like vp.
at the end of the year, I was SHOCKED that I had 500k points. ($1M coin-in)
and if this was caesars, I would have been 7star. but at this casino, 500k points is just the 2nd highest tier (ie: Diamond).

then next year, they changed it to $4 coin-in = 1 point so I stopped playing a lot and went to the poker room instead.

Quote: WatchMeWin

In states like Flordia, where they are not allowed live craps, these craps bubble machines are the only option for craps. I dont trust them one bit as Im very confident that they have magnets in them to manipulate the dice. Stay away.

I did $1M coin-in at Organic craps.
at the end of the year, $6k profit.

did both pass and don't pass, depending on how I felt that day.
managed to win big at both.
ie: Placing $25 each on the 6 and 8, and pressing both to $500.
forgot how much I pressed the Don't but flat + odds = 4 figures. (I only play 1 # at a time for Don't pass.)

yeah, there were also days where i lost my $1000 bankroll.
but positive variance was with me and I had more days winning 4 figures than losing that

Here in OH, max odds on bubble craps is 2x. Is it different elsewhere?

Quote: iamnomad

Here in OH, max odds on bubble craps is 2x. Is it different elsewhere?

in vegas, I've seen 5x but no points.

at local casino, it was 3/4/5x

Quote: DJTeddyBear

In many jurisdictions, those machines are categorized as slot machines and taxed accordingly.

That may affect their desirability to the casino.

Okay, now we know that these machines are all over the place but we don't know where or what kind of machines you have. So let's get a feel for where they are at and what kind of machines you have.

I know around Vegas they have the Shoot to Win in some of the Station Casinos but forget about points!

Do any of you guys actually play these machine and if so which one and where?

Quote: 100xOdds

I did $1M coin-in at Organic craps.
at the end of the year, $6k profit.

did both pass and don't pass, depending on how I felt that day.
managed to win big at both.
ie: $25 each on the 6 and 8, and pressing both to $500.
forgot how much I pressed the Don't but flat + odds = 4 figures. (I only play 1 # at a time for Don't pass.)

yeah, there were also days where i lost my $1000 bankroll.
but positive variance was with me and I had more days winning 4 figures than losing that

Thats great that you showed year end profit! I would continue to do what you do. I have played bubble craps in Florida and in Queens. I have had success playing the way I do. I am an in and out player. I dont stick around for long rolls or shoots. However, I stood around many times on bubble craps after I had won just to monitor what was going on. I saw numerous times the dice spin out of a set position and jump into a different number. Most of the time it kept spinning until it popped into a 7. Some of the times it spun up and popped into different numbers.... but it tried to 7 out without success. I also watched when there was heavy betting on the dont, the dice spun out and popped up to the points. This is my observation, this is my conclusion. I dont have manufacturing proof that they have magnets, but I doubt they want the public to know. It is real.

Quote: WatchMeWin

I saw numerous times the dice spin out of a set position and jump into a different number. Most of the time it kept spinning until it popped into a 7.

Risking breaking the rules here about insults ....

you must be some kind of a dumbass not to have gotten totally rich on this

nah

you hadn't heard bout the dark side?

nah

ummmm

the content of your post leads me to believe there was a missed opportunity due to factors unknown

The electronic craps machine may default to 2x odds but often its selectable by the player.

Some of these machines were recently teh subject of a lawsuit involving a tribal casino in Florida, so I won't use these machines at all.

Quote: odiousgambit

Risking breaking the rules here about insults ....

you must be some kind of a dumbass not to have gotten totally rich on this

nah

you hadn't heard bout the dark side?

nah

ummmm

the content of your post leads me to believe there was a missed opportunity due to factors unknown

I capitalized on my play and was very comfortable with my consistent profits. Not looking to change the world. You could go to the bubble craps machines and use your brilliance to get totally rich, now that you have the info. You're the greatest! Since you are the greatest, please tell me how you win and in what games?

No tipping.
This is a huge advantage for novice players as they tend to overtip "the boys".
I was playing BJ at the Longhorns yesterday and a guy was playing $2 a hand. After every win, he'd put out a dollar bet for the dealer.
Win or lose, he was giving away half his winnings. Then they go on the internet and badmouth the casino for having rigged games.

No tipping.
This is a huge advantage for novice players as they tend to overtip "the boys".
I was playing BJ at the Longhorns yesterday and a guy was playing $2 a hand. After every win, he'd put out a dollar bet for the dealer.
Win or lose, he was giving away half his winnings. Then they go on the internet and badmouth the casino for having rigged games.

No. It's not.

Quote: WatchMeWin

I capitalized on my play and was very comfortable with my consistent profits. Not looking to change the world. You could go to the bubble craps machines and use your brilliance to get totally rich, now that you have the info. You're the greatest! Since you are the greatest, please tell me how you win and in what games?

Feel free to pile on, I have a thick skin and in this case had it coming.

I plead temporary insanity after seeing one time too many the claim that the fix is on in a craps game - this kind of fix, anyway, where the right-siders are getting screwed by manipulated dice of some kind. Yeah, I'd like to be there where this was going on.

No claim of being 'the greatest' - I have to get over-comped with freeplay to beat the house. It's happened.

Quote: black2

The dealers can easily be replaced by having terminals to place your bets and then all you need is a stick man to pass you the dice and to record the outcome of the roll.

This existed at Bill's for quite some time before it was refurbished into Cromwell, it was called rapid craps. Never took off though.

Quote: FleaStiff

The electronic craps machine may default to 2x odds but often its selectable by the player.

Some of these machines were recently teh subject of a lawsuit involving a tribal casino in Florida, so I won't use these machines at all.

Can you tell us what you are writing about and where we can find a reference to the case!

Quote: superrick

Can you tell us what you are writing about and where we can find a reference to the case!

A link to a newspaper article that cited this case is elsewhere on the forum. About two weeks ago I think. Try the search function.

this is it I think - btw not a type of cheating against players that can be turned to advantage. If I understand it, just a matter of claiming a certain bet payoff that doesn't prove to be the case

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article128935259.html

Quote: odiousgambit

this is it I think - btw not a type of cheating against players that can be turned to advantage. If I understand it, just a matter of claiming a certain bet payoff that doesn't prove to be the case

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article128935259.html

Thanks, I don't know why someone would post without a link to what they are posting about. But with that said some don't think that's, it's important to do so or they don't want to put a link to and article because of what happened with our newspapers suing posters for using something that was in their news paper!

https://vegasinc.com/business/legal/2010/sep/01/why-we-are-writing-about-r-j-copyright-lawsuits/

You also have fair use on your side when you post something that was in a newspaper!

http://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/fair-use/cases/