Craps Simulator Online?
Quote: WatchMeWinDoes the wincraps software allow you to work all place bets on come out roll? Can you also program it to increase certain bets within certain new rolls once simulated for a period of time?
Yes, WinCraps allows you work any or all Place bets on the come-out roll. It also allows the same for Buy bets, Hop bets, etc. Additionally, you can specifically call bets ON or OFF at anytime with lammers just like the dealers use. And yes, WinCraps allows you to program exactly what you want to do, exactly when you want to do it. The basic shareware version is free to download and play.
Steen
Quote: SteenYes, WinCraps allows you work any or all Place bets on the come-out roll. It also allows the same for Buy bets, Hop bets, etc. Additionally, you can specifically call bets ON or OFF at anytime with lammers just like the dealers use. And yes, WinCraps allows you to program exactly what you want to do, exactly when you want to do it. The basic shareware version is free to download and play.
Steen
Thank you for your help and information... much appreciated. Im still playing around with the software to automate my play but thought I would share here if anyone wants to run it.
All bets work at all times. Run simulation for say 100,000 roles or so.
Lay the 10 for $3000 (either 4 or 10 are the same but Im using 10 now)
Place the 4,5,6,8,9 each for $50
Buy the 10 for $1200
Hard 10 for $50
After each of the first 4 box numbers thrown (if thrown before crap out) (4,5,6,8,9), press the 10 each time $50 with the winnings. e.g.. say the first roll is a 5 which pays $70 on a $50 place bet, take $55 of it an press the 10 to $1250, say the second roll is a 6 which also pays $70, take $50 of it and press the 10 now to $1300, etc . If done 4 times , the 10 will be at $1400. You will now be protected... If a 6-4, 4-6 combination is thrown, you will win $2800 plus you already won $280 from previous roles. If hard 10 comes, add another $350 to that. If the seven comes, you pretty much break even from the get go.. minus the juice if it was a 7 right out.
After the first 4 box numbers, assuming they hit, then take in profit on each number hit thereafter, perhaps press a few... free rolling now.
Must be programed in a way that all bets reset to original format after each 7 or 10 is rolled. Then repeat steps outlined.
I don't know if it can be set up this way , but I would be interested in seeing the results. Basically, this works if the 6-4 or 4-6 combination is not thrown right away. If the 7 comes, you basically break even. If numbers are thrown, you have limited downside with great upside.
Thank you!
Quote: WatchMeWinThank you for your help and information... much appreciated. Im still playing around with the software to automate my play but thought I would share here if anyone wants to run it.
All bets work at all times. Run simulation for say 100,000 roles or so.
Lay the 10 for $3000 (either 4 or 10 are the same but Im using 10 now)
Place the 4,5,6,8,9 each for $50
Buy the 10 for $1200
Hard 10 for $50
After each of the first 4 box numbers thrown (if thrown before crap out) (4,5,6,8,9), press the 10 each time $50 with the winnings. e.g.. say the first roll is a 5 which pays $70 on a $50 place bet, take $55 of it an press the 10 to $1250, say the second roll is a 6 which also pays $70, take $50 of it and press the 10 now to $1300, etc . If done 4 times , the 10 will be at $1400. You will now be protected... If a 6-4, 4-6 combination is thrown, you will win $2800 plus you already won $280 from previous roles. If hard 10 comes, add another $350 to that. If the seven comes, you pretty much break even from the get go.. minus the juice if it was a 7 right out.
After the first 4 box numbers, assuming they hit, then take in profit on each number hit thereafter, perhaps press a few... free rolling now.
Must be programed in a way that all bets reset to original format after each 7 or 10 is rolled. Then repeat steps outlined.
I don't know if it can be set up this way , but I would be interested in seeing the results. Basically, this works if the 6-4 or 4-6 combination is not thrown right away. If the 7 comes, you basically break even. If numbers are thrown, you have limited downside with great upside.
Here's some code which will run your system:
If initializing script Then
AutoHandle Winning Bets = "Same bet"
EndIf
If dice total = any(7, 10) Or beginning new session Then
bet $3000 on Lay10 :
bet $50 on all(inside Place bets) :
bet $1200 on Buy10 :
bet $50 on Hard10 :
call on all(bets) :
cs1.insidehits = 0
ElseIf dice total = any(4, 5, 6, 8, 9) Then
If cs1.insidehits < 4 Then add $50 to Buy10 EndIf
add 1 to cs1.insidehits
EndIf
The first three lines of the script can be eliminated by setting the Auto-Handle Winning Bets feature to "Same bet". The "Call on all(bets)" line can also be eliminated by setting all bets to work on the come-out roll (on the Auto-play screen). Also note that the Auto-Adjust bet amounts feature will automatically change the $50 bets on Place 6 and 8 into $60 bets. You can change this if desired.
Although your explanation is fairly straight forward there are still a few unanswered questions.
1) With an initial outlay of $4605 per round you're not likely to last 100,000 rolls unless you have a very large or unlimited bankroll or unless you break your rolls into sessions and replenish your bankroll inbetween. This can be scripted as well but I'll need to know which you prefer to simulate.
2) If you want to simulate a limited bankroll then what do you want to do when insufficient bankroll remains to make your bets? For example, if only $1000 remains, do you want to make reduced bets or start a new session?
3) If you want to simulate multiple sessions, do you want to set any time limits or win goals per session?
Steen
Quote: SteenHere's some code which will run your system:
If initializing script Then
AutoHandle Winning Bets = "Same bet"
EndIf
If dice total = any(7, 10) Or beginning new session Then
bet $3000 on Lay10 :
bet $50 on all(inside Place bets) :
bet $1200 on Buy10 :
bet $50 on Hard10 :
call on all(bets) :
cs1.insidehits = 0
ElseIf dice total = any(4, 5, 6, 8, 9) Then
If cs1.insidehits < 4 Then add $50 to Buy10 EndIf
add 1 to cs1.insidehits
EndIf
The first three lines of the script can be eliminated by setting the Auto-Handle Winning Bets feature to "Same bet". The "Call on all(bets)" line can also be eliminated by setting all bets to work on the come-out roll (on the Auto-play screen). Also note that the Auto-Adjust bet amounts feature will automatically change the $50 bets on Place 6 and 8 into $60 bets. You can change this if desired.
Although your explanation is fairly straight forward there are still a few unanswered questions.
1) With an initial outlay of $4605 per round you're not likely to last 100,000 rolls unless you have a very large or unlimited bankroll or unless you break your rolls into sessions and replenish your bankroll inbetween. This can be scripted as well but I'll need to know which you prefer to simulate.
2) If you want to simulate a limited bankroll then what do you want to do when insufficient bankroll remains to make your bets? For example, if only $1000 remains, do you want to make reduced bets or start a new session?
3) If you want to simulate multiple sessions, do you want to set any time limits or win goals per session?
Steen
Steen, You are amazing! Thank you so much for taking the time to look at this. I appreciate it. Regarding the starting bank roll, I would just keep it at 10k and if it runs out quickly , then that answers my question. Im laying out 4600 per round, but the great bulk of it is hedged so losing is not going to be that high for every 7 or 10.... and it restarts every time either hit. I was looking to just have continuous rolls, whatever number of rolls seems plausible...20k, 50k, 100k? and see what the outcome is after x number of rolls unless bankrupt before number is reached. This is a hedged that is always working and continuous, so come out roll is inconsequential, as the lay 10 and place bets are always working. I will try to figure some of this out on my version of crapswin. Thanks again!
Quote: WatchMeWinSteen, You are amazing! Thank you so much for taking the time to look at this. I appreciate it. Regarding the starting bank roll, I would just keep it at 10k and if it runs out quickly , then that answers my question. Im laying out 4600 per round, but the great bulk of it is hedged so losing is not going to be that high for every 7 or 10.... and it restarts every time either hit. I was looking to just have continuous rolls, whatever number of rolls seems plausible...20k, 50k, 100k? and see what the outcome is after x number of rolls unless bankrupt before number is reached. This is a hedged that is always working and continuous, so come out roll is inconsequential, as the lay 10 and place bets are always working. I will try to figure some of this out on my version of crapswin. Thanks again!
OK, I modified the script to start each session with $10,000 and to run continuously until the bankroll falls below $4655 (the amount necessary to make all bets in full) then a new session is started. The script stops the simulation at 10,000 sessions.
If initializing script Then
AutoHandle Winning Bets = "Same bet" :
cs2.#sessions = 0 :
bankroll = 10000
EndIf
If cs2.#sessions = 10000 Then
stop autorolling / hyperdrive
ElseIf bankroll < $4655 Then
add 1 to cs2.#sessions :
start new session(preserve checkstacks)
ElseIf dice total = any(7, 10) Or beginning new session Then
bet $3000 on Lay10 :
bet $50 on all(Place4, Place5, Place6, Place8, Place9) :
bet $1200 on Buy10 :
bet $50 on Hard10 :
call on all(bets) :
cs1.insidehits = 0
ElseIf dice total = any(4, 5, 6, 8, 9) Then
If cs1.insidehits < 4 Then add $50 to Buy10 EndIf
add 1 to cs1.insidehits
EndIf
I added the Place4 in this script because I misread your post and hadn't included it in the previous script). This raises the initial outlay to $4655 which includes vigs charged up front for the Buy and Lay bets.
Unfortunately the results were probably not what you were expecting. The average session lasted only 144 rolls (about 1.2 hrs at 120 rolls/hr.) The shortest was 21 and the longest was 494.
The average session resolved 313 bets.
The highest bankroll in any session was a mere $13,883.
And the average session lost $5,558.
There were no winning sessions because of the way you've defined a session and unfortunately there were no runaway sessions lasting thousands of rolls. Hedging, it seems, is very costly.
Steen
Quote: WatchMeWinSteen, Thank you again for taking the time to do this. I appreciate you! Definitely not a winning strategy. Are you able to see if the bulk of the losses came from 7, or from the 1-3, 3-1 combination? I wasn't accounting for the lay 4 bet juice to be taken out immediately, which definitely adds up with every 7 thrown. I will lower the place bets a bit to ensure that when the 7 comes, there is no loss... as opposed to losing 150 every time as currently programed from juice. Best regards!
WinCraps records wins and losses according to bets resolved -- not according to specific numbers rolled. However, you can easily gather this information using checkstacks. For example, in the following amended script I've added four checkstacks which count net wins/losses when 7's or 10's are rolled. When your simulation is complete you can view these checkstacks in the Sessions Log to see how each fared.
If initializing script Then
autohandle winning Bets = "Same bet" :
name cs2 as "# sessions completed" :
name cs3 as "Net win/loss due to any 7" :
name cs4 as "Net win/loss due to any 10" :
name cs5 as "Net win/loss due to easy 10" :
name cs6 as "Net win/loss due to hard 10" :
cs2.#sessions = 0 :
EndIf
If beginning new session Then
cs3.losses7 = 0 :
cs4.losses10 = 0 :
cs5.losses10easy = 0 :
cs6.losses10hard = 0 :
bankroll = 10000
EndIf
If cs2.#sessions = 10000 Then
stop autorolling / hyperdrive
ElseIf bankroll < $4655 Then
add 1 to cs2.#sessions :
start new session(preserve checkstacks)
ElseIf dice total = any(7, 10) Or beginning new session Then
bet $3000 on Lay10 :
bet $50 on all(Place4, Place5, Place6, Place8, Place9) :
bet $1200 on Buy10 :
bet $50 on Hard10 :
call on all(bets) :
cs1.placehits = 0 :
If dice total = 7 Then
add sum(net last roll $ bets) to cs3.losses7
Else
add sum(net last roll $ bets) to cs4.losses10
If dice combo = 5.5 Then
add sum(net last roll $ bets) to cs6.losses10hard
Else
add sum(net last roll $ bets) to cs5.losses10easy
EndIf
EndIf
ElseIf dice total = any(4, 5, 6, 8, 9) Then
If cs1.placehits < 4 Then add $50 to Buy10 EndIf
add 1 to cs1.placehits
EndIf
I ran another 10,000 session simulation and found the following average losses per session:
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$5886 due to 7's
$5298 due to 10's
$4487 due to easy 10's
$811 due to hard 10's
Unfortunately, this strategy never makes money when 7 or 10 is rolled. It only makes money when lots of point numbers (other than 10) are rolled. In order to turn a profit, it looks like you need around:
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3 or 4 Place bet hits before 7-out, or
2 Place bet hits before Hard10, or
4 or 5 Place bet hits before Easy10
Then of course, these amounts won must overcome the amounts lost when these minimum numbers of hits are not achieved.
By the way, in case you were unaware, you can copy the script here and paste it into WinCraps. There's no need to re-type the whole thing.
Steen
Steen
Quote: SteenAnother point you should consider: the data I've provided is for tables charging up-front vig. You can reduce your losses a bit by playing on tables that only charge vig on winning bets. That'll save you $60 each time a 7 is rolled and $75 each time a 10 is rolled.
Steen
You are right on with your understanding of the game and what I was trying to accomplish. It is not something I would recommend doing or will do moving forward. Ive tried it a few times at casinos, but I when a little heavier on the lay 10, so I would actually pick up a few dollars on a 7 out.... as that damn 7 comes sooo often. Then I would just try to hit a few boxes and take that money in and then take all of my bets down and walk. But the numbers placed are so small that it does't excite me...and if the 4-6, 6-4 combination comes, then that is really the only way to lose (maybe a tad on the 5-5). So the theory there is trying to hit a few boxes before the 2 combinations of 6-4 or 4-6. That would be the only way to lose. I was trying to find a way to protect against the 7, while hitting boxes... this is the closest I can come to it.
The other way is playing say 400 on dont pass. Put 25 on yo for protection. Once the point is established, then put 320 across the board (50 each number , 60 on 6,8). Now if a seven comes right away, I may about 50 bucks. They only way I lose is if they shoot a buck shot (point right away). So, if the point is 5... after the first box roll I full press the 5 with the winnings to 125. Second box rolled I press the 5 again to 200.. now Im protected again no matter what happens and I can try to stay around for that long roll we all want. If the 5 hits now, I will make 280, plus the 140 i made on 2 previous rolls... this negates the dont pass which will have lost.
The biggest problem with this bet is getting past that first come out roll, which is always the problem when betting the dont side bet. Other than that, Im not too concerned about the buck shot, because that is rare.
Not sure if you follow all of that but you have been quite remarkable with your understanding of the game and bets, so I hope I conveyed it in a way which make sense.
That all being said, I still believe the best way to play is to get in and out...and hit and run. 2 or 3 rolls max and go off and walk. Sticking around on a table is usually a losing proposition. And if the dealers say its cold here... listen! 9x out of 10, Ive seen it be real. It happened again yesterday. I walked into the casino. The dealers on one table said stay away man, this table is ice cold. So I just watched and didnt play for a while. What I saw was ridiculous. It seemed like every other roll was a 7 and the dice moved around the table a few times with many different shooters. Not one person made a point... and I only saw maybe 3 boxes the entire time. haha I took a walk a got a slice of pizza. Then came back to the craps table and the dealers told me that they are starting to roll some numbers. At this point there were only 3 of us playing so the dice were moving nicely without hops and props and bs.. I jumped in and hit a couple of numbers on each shooter and walked out the door. Then I looked up and saw that the dow close over 20,000 finally! So it was a good day.
