DeMango
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June 4th, 2017 at 11:56:56 AM permalink
The lottery effect. Low investment, big payout. Works even better on the All, Tall, Small bet with that 175 to 1 payout (even 150) There is a locals casino in Biloxi where they got that plus $3 pass line, early mornings. Every gang banger with $37 to his name is camped out trying to get rich. The nice quiet table I once knew at 4 AM, is no more. So I go to the Hard Rock. $10 min, no ATS. Nice. Quiet!
FleaStiff
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June 4th, 2017 at 5:48:26 PM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

.... who here consistently wins in craps?.

The posters here are players and often casino employees, but I don't think there are any casino owners here. The owners are the consistent winners at craps. Players can claim to have the ability to walk away from a winning streak but that never avoids the losing streaks.
LuckyPhow
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June 5th, 2017 at 6:48:39 AM permalink
Quote: klimate10

I just recently played my final craps game ever. I've given up the past time, but I had played for over 20+ years.



What?? Your most recent trip report was your LAST trip report? Are you transitioning to some other game, perhaps? Baccarat? Sports betting? Nothing??

Hopefully, you will continue to post on WoV. I very much appreciate your well-written, thoughtful contributions.
autocarry
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June 5th, 2017 at 9:25:57 AM permalink
Thanks so much for the information! But I'm a hard headed guy and I like most of the members on this board are going to try to defy mathematical equations that say it can't be done. I can't say what I am in my lifetime betting ( wrong on the crap table) but If I have lost it hasn't been much. All I can say for sure is what I am since Jan 25, 2017 where I've went to a casino 88 days and I show 70 wins 18 loses with a plus $13805 and that is after deducting expenses like fuel and tolls. I'm just hoping to be writing you Romes 5 years from now with a much larger cash win total and about an 82 or so win percentage :). Again thanks so much for your information!
Romes
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June 5th, 2017 at 9:45:16 AM permalink
Haha, well the best of luck (you'll need it) and I do hope to hear that. As mentioned with large odds bets your variance will be high enough that it 'could' be possible to be up some time from now (though more and more unlikely as the number of bets goes up). IF you are a winner (due to odds variance) I still think it VERY unlikely to have some kind of 80+ percent win ratio, unless you're martingaling and leaving after one win or something.
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
betwthelines
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June 6th, 2017 at 2:17:38 PM permalink
Quote: klimate10


I just recently played my final craps game ever. I've given up the past time, but I had played for over 20+ years. Maybe once in all my years, I saw a hot hard 6/8 streak where a guy hit the hard ways three times in a row.

There's almost never a hot streak.

It hits rarely.

And when it does hit, it's not like the payout is enormous. Sure it pays 9-1 (or 7-1), but no one just bets one of the hard numbers, they bet all four. So when one does hit, it's more like a 2-1 pay out. And then you're always tossing out additional chips to put back up the number that just fell to an easy roll.

Does anyone here consistently play the hard ways bets?

Can someone explain why you play it?

Forgetting the high HE for a second, I do not understand why people play the hard ways bet. All gambling has a negative expectation, so a nongambler may ask the same question of any game. But with other bets on the craps table, there's enough frequency of reward, in the form of streaks and subsequent large payout, to create a Pavlovian reaction. I just don't see it in the hardways, which is just consistent punishment with minimal reward.

But almost everyone bets the hardways.

The horn bet makes even less sense to me.


i am not sure why peoples bet the hardways and the other middle bets other than every once in a while they hit one or they hit several even and have a real hot session.

these are remembered...losses not so much. in the "long term" habitual middle bettors are almost always losers...very, very, very few regular bettors are ahead.

the simulations i showed above indicated some players ahead after even a million rolls...BUT one must make sufficiently low HE bets...betting pass line with double odds or better...even a few were ahead betting the 6 (or 8, i forget which) after a mil...hard 8 ZERO ahead.

tom p
"You can't EXPECT to win. But you CAN play Tough"...tom p, 1974
autocarry
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TropicalElectri
June 7th, 2017 at 8:38:31 PM permalink
I count a win as what I did in a day and no it has never been a single bet. Do I stay for 8 hours NO and I never will. I'm not there for fun, I'm there to do a job. Again the way I play I'm going to win or lose in less than an hour total time on the table. Also I've heard of martingaling but can't say I know exactly what it is because I've never cared to study and so called system. I learned Don't betting from my late uncle and incorporated things as I played over the years that worked best for me. And with all due respect to you or anyone on this board but right now after winning today at Yonkers I'm 73-18 plus $16273 (this is a total after taking out money for fuel and tolls). That is an 80% win total. Is 91 trips enough evidence? I would say not even close. But whether you believe me or not that is what my record is since Jan 25, 2017.
monet0412
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June 7th, 2017 at 8:59:27 PM permalink
Quote: autocarry

I count a win as what I did in a day and no it has never been a single bet. Do I stay for 8 hours NO and I never will. I'm not there for fun, I'm there to do a job. Again the way I play I'm going to win or lose in less than an hour total time on the table. Also I've heard of martingaling but can't say I know exactly what it is because I've never cared to study and so called system. I learned Don't betting from my late uncle and incorporated things as I played over the years that worked best for me. And with all due respect to you or anyone on this board but right now after winning today at Yonkers I'm 73-18 plus $16273 (this is a total after taking out money for fuel and tolls). That is an 80% win total. Is 91 trips enough evidence? I would say not even close. But whether you believe me or not that is what my record is since Jan 25, 2017.



LOL
odiousgambit
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June 8th, 2017 at 2:19:21 AM permalink
Quote: autocarry

I'm 73-18 plus $16273 ... whether you believe me or not...



All anyone can say is "it's possible and you've been lucky", while the usually unseen comment is that it is rude and unprovable to express doubt.

No one cares how you did it. You yourself say you have contempt for a betting system.
"Baccarat is a game whereby the croupier gathers in money with a flexible sculling oar, then rakes it home. If I could have borrowed his oar I would have stayed." .......... Mark Twain
betwthelines
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June 8th, 2017 at 1:32:53 PM permalink
Quote: autocarry

...Also I've heard of martingaling but can't say I know exactly what it is because I've never cared to study and so called system. I learned Don't betting from my late uncle and incorporated things as I played over the years that worked best for me. And with all due respect to you or anyone on this board but right now after winning today at Yonkers I'm 73-18 plus $16273 (this is a total after taking out money for fuel and tolls). That is an 80% win total. Is 91 trips enough evidence? I would say not even close. But whether you believe me or not that is what my record is since Jan 25, 2017.


congratulations on your luck this year and your success...personally i have no reason to doubt you.

you say that you do not know exactly what a martingale is yet your win percentage of 80% suggests, wittingly or not, some adaptation of it...win percentages of over 90% are not uncommon employing martingale versions (apparently...unless ALL reports are BS, lol) and i have seen as high as 98% alleged employing a certain "system."

plus if you are sticking only to dp or dc laying as much odds as you can afford (ie tough craps), you are cutting the house edge to the bone.

continued good luck.

tom p
"You can't EXPECT to win. But you CAN play Tough"...tom p, 1974

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