7 come out roll while bets are on

So having looked back at some of my games that I've played in craps, I've noticed a small flaw in what the dealer would do sometimes.

Now mind you, I always tip. Sometimes straight up or I'll bet 6 across for the dealers if I'm the only one at the table.

I've had this happen to me 3 times that I can remember and they all happened when I was at a full table and had beenough tipping alot due to big rolls. I was playing the cross and would turn my place bets ON on the come out. Now every once in a while a 7 would come out and the dealer wouldn't take my bets down even when they had the ON, and then pay me on the next roll. I know something was hinky about this. Was just wondering if anything like this has happened to you guys.

This has nothing to do with you tipping or not.

This happens because most dealers operate on autopilot most of the time. Since most of the time, place bets are off on the come-out, sometimes they forget to collect working bets on the come-out 7.

Dealer errors are plentiful in every table game. It's up to you to protect yourself by pointing out errors when they go against you -- which they will plenty of times.

Quote: sodawater

This has nothing to do with you tipping or not.

This MAY HAVE nothing to do with you tipping or not.

Usually dealers are inexperienced these days and with all the MBA cost cutting are getting paid zilch and receive little or no training before going 'live'.

Rote actions, paying bets to wrong players, etc. do happen and usually its simple 'dealer zone out' or 'dealer hypnosis'.

Some crews will let a few things slide for a big tipper but its rare because the base dealers are watching, the stick is watching, the Box is watching and the Floor Person is watching. So the crew might be of like mind but will not be coordinated enough to be of like action.

Knowing the rules and knowing the correct payouts and procedures and actually listening to the stick calls is your best bet at any craps table.

Quote: FleaStiff

This MAY HAVE nothing to do with you tipping or not.

Usually dealers are inexperienced these days and with all the MBA cost cutting are getting paid zilch and receive little or no training before going 'live'.

Rote actions, paying bets to wrong players, etc. do happen and usually its simple 'dealer zone out' or 'dealer hypnosis'.

Some crews will let a few things slide for a big tipper but its rare because the base dealers are watching, the stick is watching, the Box is watching and the Floor Person is watching. So the crew might be of like mind but will not be coordinated enough to be of like action.

Knowing the rules and knowing the correct payouts and procedures and actually listening to the stick calls is your best bet at any craps table.

In sone casinos the box is dual rate. One of the ones I play at "forgets" to pick up my working come bets on occasion. I would say it probably happens at leaSt 2 times a session. I also am a very good tipper.

Quote: GWAE

In sone casinos the box is dual rate. One of the ones I play at "forgets" to pick up my working come bets on occasion. I would say it probably happens at leaSt 2 times a session. I also am a very good tipper.

This can be construed as collusion. Be careful. There's one thing anyone, including AP's should avoid. That's "intentional help."

Edit: Just remember what happened to Darryl Green and his cohorts at Motorcity!

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

This can be construed as collusion. Be careful. There's one thing anyone, including AP's should avoid. That's "intentional help."

Edit: Just remember what happened to Darryl Green and his cohorts at Motorcity!

Hang on, I can be charged if I don't say something about being paid on a losing bet?

Quote: Wildwillis1

Hang on, I can be charged if I don't say something about being paid on a losing bet?

You can if it happens regularly with the same dealer, charged AND convicted.
Change to different sloppy dealers regularly ;-!

This is good to know. I'll keep that in mind next time I'm paid wrongly.

Today I played for 3 hours. I counted 7 mistakes that dealers made with me and all involving come bets. 6 in my favor and 1 not. 4 of them with the same dealer. I did not have my bets working but 4 times there was a 7 come out and they forgot to take come bet and save the odds. 3 of the times the bet ended up winning within a few rolls. I would estimate thst the errors were worth about $160 if you count my winnings after the winning bet when the bet should have been down.

As mentioned before I think this is because dealers are on auto pilot. I am usually the only one playing come bets so I think they just forget.

As I said before I tip well. This weak dealer is actually kind of an ass so I don't think he does it intenionally, I think he just doesn't care.

GWAE, I think your particular dealer is simply a "lump", and these errors are simply an oversight, and it doesn't sound like the rest of the crew and the boxman give a s**t either. That said, what the earlier posters referred to as outright stealing from the game if a dealer intentionally ignored a toking players losing bets...It has happened, of course, but most real pro dealers are happy to make tokes through great player service and a friendly demeanor. One of the drawbacks of the spread of legal clubs nationwide is the watering down of the craps dealer gene pool. In the newer legal markets there's not many of the old school professionals unless they wandered there. Yeah, you toke for good service, don't expect the crew to cheat just because you're makin' a $1 Fire Bet every new shooter.

in Cherokee NC a week ago or so, no one in the crew was paying any attention. On a 7-winner I had to make a fuss to get paid. Later, a 2 was rolled on the come-out and the frontline bets were not collected. I whispered to Rcraps that I would say something, but it would take money away from the other players [I don't do that].

It was remarkable inattention though.

It's unbelievably lame dealing procedure for the entire crew to miss a obvious error on both ends of the table. In fact it's such a inexcusable lack of professionalism that the previous posters that alluded to the idea that the dealers could possibly be cheating the house by leaving losing bets untouched that belong to players who toke well appears to be more believable. The Old School saying within the industry about this type of situation is that monies collected this way "never brings happiness". Meaning these ill gotten gains are a well of negative karma. Any players that benefit...shame, shame, shame...

Quote: odiousgambit

in Cherokee NC a week ago or so, no one in the crew was paying any attention. On a 7-winner I had to make a fuss to get paid. Later, a 2 was rolled on the come-out and the frontline bets were not collected. I whispered to Rcraps that I would say something, but it would take money away from the other players [I don't do that].

It was remarkable inattention though.

OG didn't mention that he also loudly asked me, "Was the last roll a 2"? I replied, "Yes it was."

We discussed this a bit later, as neither of us generally likes to benefit from a dealer mistake. However, I believed there were extenuating circumstances on this occasion, and chose to move on.

- As OG stated, others also on the line would have lost their bets had it been brought to the dealer attn.
- OG loudly asked what the last roll was. IF the dealers, AND BOX, had been paying attention;
A.) The error would have been caught when it happened.
B.) The error would have been realized when OG asked what the last roll was.
-The dealers and box were all being chatty cathy's and yucking it up with each other, not paying any attention to the players or betting.
- As a player I had to make call bets just to get chips in play, as the dealers were too busy chatting with each other.
- Not sure if it was this session or another, but I twice had to point out my come bet lost on a come out 7.

At some point, it no longer becomes my job to ensure losing bets are collected properly. I will point out mistakes, up to the point where the crew is so focused on each other that they are ignoring players and the game. And this game was way past that point.

Unfortunately, this is fairly common to run into at Cherokee. I'm not sure why. They have 8 craps tables, and all are usually open on Fri, Sat, and Sun night, AND FULL. During the week, 4 or 5 tables are open, and mostly full, so they are getting a ton of craps play.
Almost every trip I take there, at least one of my sessions will end up with a crew losing focus to the point of unable to track bets correctly.

They do seem to always be breaking in dealers, so I am sure that has something to do with it.

Quote: RaleighCraps

They do seem to always be breaking in dealers, so I am sure that has something to do with it.

pretty bad when the box seems to be a break-in employee LOL