JoelDeze
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May 21st, 2016 at 4:12:35 PM permalink
Was down $400 on a cold table and went to another table and stood just to the left side of the stick man. I get hot and I'm hitting points. The dealer across says I'm having a monster roll because he can tell when "no 7s" are being rolled at all, not even on the come out rolls. So, I try to ignore him altogether because I don't want to hear that type of discussion.

My roll goes more than 40 min and I'm up $900 plus at this point. I have a really good groove going and the box man keeps getting angry because only one of my dice is hitting the back of the table. The way I roll from the side, my ring finger seems to push one of the dice downward so it doesn't hit the wall. I've been doing this the whole time and finally he's getting angry at me and is really raising his voice. He keeps saying "both dice have to hit the back of the wall!!!" I finally get angry and toss the dice really hard against the wall over the next four rolls and finally 7 out.

So, my questions are:

1. Can they force me to stop rolling because "one" of the two dice is not hitting the wall?
2. Is it just that they are trying to get in my head because I'm having a really good roll?
3. What is the worst that can happen in this scenario?

I just want to know what is acceptable or not acceptable. I think he really messed up a very long roll I was having. I'm sure that's his job.
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iamnomad
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May 21st, 2016 at 4:47:17 PM permalink
To answer yr questions...

1. If they have repeatedly advised you that you are required to hit the back board with both dice and you fail to do so, they can take the dice from you. Almost saw it happen at Hollywood, in Columbus OH about 9 months ago. After being repeatedly warned, shooter was told he would forfeit dice if it happened again. He got angry, took his chips and left.

2. Obviously, They wouldn't have bothered if you weren't kicking ass.

3. If you don't put up much of an argument, I would assume they would allow you to continue to play with someone else shooting. If you were to become belligerent, you probably would be asked to leave and escorted off the premises.

Always keep two things in mind: First, casinos in almost all jurisdictions reserve the right to refuse service/participation to ANYONE FOR VIRTUALLY ANY REASON. Second, you can complain to your state's gaming authorities if you feel you've been wronged, but it is a rare that they side with the player.
GWAE
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May 21st, 2016 at 6:44:52 PM permalink
Craps players are funny. Today a guy was on a huge roll. The downfall of monster rolls are center action gets crazy. He got pissed because the center action is taking the MOJO out of his roll. Next throw 7 out.be blamed the center action for the 7.

Also had a guy get pissed at me because I PSOed 4 times in a row. He blamed it on my not taking my time. I yelled at him and said then play the f'ing don't. Pretty funny that since I am a great tipper all the dealers backed me and basically asked the guy to shut up.

I guess my point is. OP, casinos have rules and 1 of them are hit the back wall. If you can't follow the rules of the game then you shouldn't be allowe'd to throw.
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whodat
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May 21st, 2016 at 6:58:38 PM permalink
Speaking of the Don'ts and superstition. I wonder if you were to aim the dice at the don't stack on the other side of the table, hit it, and promptly 7-out. Could youblame the don't player for putting his stack in the way of your toss--"if you hit the chips, a 7 is sure to follow". :)
GWAE
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May 21st, 2016 at 7:11:03 PM permalink
Quote: whodat

Speaking of the Don'ts and superstition. I wonder if you were to aim the dice at the don't stack on the other side of the table, hit it, and promptly 7-out. Could youblame the don't player for putting his stack in the way of your toss--"if you hit the chips, a 7 is sure to follow". :)



Hitting chips obviously brings a 7. However shouldn't hitting don't chips be reverse and bring the number.
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whodat
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May 21st, 2016 at 7:24:25 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

Hitting chips obviously brings a 7. However shouldn't hitting don't chips be reverse and bring the number.



I am going to try that next time and report back. I hated when I am playing at the $15 table and a "high roller" saunters up, takes a marker for $2000-$4000 and promptly plays the DP and lays the point ($100/$1000). Especially right where I normally like to toss the dice.
discflicker
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May 21st, 2016 at 8:58:25 PM permalink
Quote: iamnomad


2. Obviously, They wouldn't have bothered if you weren't kicking ass.



They never allow you to not hit the wall with both dice, regardless of kicking as or not. If they let anyone do it, other players could be betting on it... if the shooter bets don't and gets on a monster roll, he ain't kicking ass but he will be kicked out for attempted dice setting.
Quote: iamnomad


Second, you can complain to your state's gaming authorities if you feel you've been wronged, but it is a rare that they side with the player.


This story is hard to believe at all... they let him shoot for how long without both dice hitting the wall? I've had the dice passed from me after doing it only twice after the first warning. Where was this game played at?
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RS
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May 21st, 2016 at 9:20:20 PM permalink
1. They can take the dice away from you for any reason or no reason at all.

2. Idk, doubt it, since it doesn't matter how you throw the dice. The roll is gonna be random either way you throw them.

He didn't cause a 7-out.

3. What do you mean?
RonC
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May 22nd, 2016 at 12:18:28 AM permalink
Congrats on a great roll...it is a lot of fun when that happens...

The 7 arrived just as randomly as all the other numbers you rolled.

The dealers/box can get in trouble for allowing people to break the rules of the game. One of those rules is hitting the back wall. If you have a long roll and never hit it with both dice, you are lot more likely to get multiple warnings than if you have a short roll. If you "PSO", they don't have much time to warn you.

I have seen dice taken away for short rolls--Paris, Las Vegas--the incident involved a decent roll, multiple warnings. and a refusal to hit the back wall (or even get near it on most rolls). It ended in security relieving the asshat rolling of his place at the table with due force. Dude, just hit the wall is what everyone was saying...

Well, he never did seven out...he was long gone before that happened...
RS
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May 22nd, 2016 at 3:02:10 AM permalink
Quote: RonC

Congrats on a great roll...it is a lot of fun when that happens...

The 7 arrived just as randomly as all the other numbers you rolled.

The dealers/box can get in trouble for allowing people to break the rules of the game. One of those rules is hitting the back wall. If you have a long roll and never hit it with both dice, you are lot more likely to get multiple warnings than if you have a short roll. If you "PSO", they don't have much time to warn you.

I have seen dice taken away for short rolls--Paris, Las Vegas--the incident involved a decent roll, multiple warnings. and a refusal to hit the back wall (or even get near it on most rolls). It ended in security relieving the asshat rolling of his place at the table with due force. Dude, just hit the wall is what everyone was saying...

Well, he never did seven out...he was long gone before that happened...



Did they try to take the dice away from him (ie: pass the dice to the next player in line to shoot)? I hope there's more to it than them calling security on him just because he wouldn't hit the back wall! Then again, Paris is a little trigger-happy when it comes to security & kicking people out and stuff. Although I'd have to assume the player got all mad, threw a tantrum, while the dealer tried to give the dice to the next shooter, the original shooter probably tried to grab the dice and keep throwing? o.O

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