Specific Don't Come Question

I think we already mentioned that the min lays are set to win $20.

Im not seeing any further data on allowing less that a 41 no-4, 30 no-5, and 25 no-6.
You cant push the house here so why worry about it? Odds are the same but The reason usually comes down to lack of 50 cent chips.

Quote: odiousgambit

Agree.

I see the OP is not new to wikipedia at all as I thought, sorry.

Sir, I still think you should wait until you have played Craps longer before contributing any more. Your view of what is important to add is really going to change.

And what needs to happen to that page is major clean-up.

It was actually because I read the former Wikipedia page before my additions and went to the craps table only to discovered half of what was going on not on the Wikipedia. Then I had a ton of questions during shooting which was apparently a big no. SanchoPanza flamed me saying the minimum lay not $20, was he incorrect?

Min lay is setup to pay $20, so that a 5% vig can be the minimum of $1 (smallest chip). Due to lack of smaller denominations the tables adhere to this rule. If they had smaller chips they would allow smaller bets as long as the vig was correct at 5%. You may have heard of a dollar game or even a quarter game. In these venues there could be lots of smaller lays.

Quote: rushdl

Min lay is setup to pay $20, so that a 5% vig can be the minimum of $1 (smallest chip). Due to lack of smaller denominations the tables adhere to this rule. If they had smaller chips they would allow smaller bets as long as the vig was correct at 5%. You may have heard of a dollar game or even a quarter game. In these venues there could be lots of smaller lays.

What about max bets? The sugarhouse floor told me that max bets on props and hard ways are always lower than the stated table max because the prop and hard ways is based on the max win per roll at the table which is different from table max is this correct?

Also I thought the min vig was $1 so if the house allowed lower lays wouldnt they have an even bigger advantage?

Quote: valoem

What about max bets? The sugarhouse floor told me that max bets on props and hard ways are ...

as a general rule, I was told many times by many dealers the max bet on a prop bet allows a 3x win
so if the table is $1000 max bet the prop bets can win a max $3000
so $100 max bet on any 30 to 1
but other payoffs have different max bets

the dealers told me max bets on prop bets are in their procedure book for that casino

but that rule can be different at all casinos

general rules existed years ago when there was only a few casinos that offered Craps. that seems right
now craps is all over the world
one rule on min/max bets can not fit all

Quote: valoem

Also I thought the min vig was $1 so if the house allowed lower lays wouldnt they have an even bigger advantage?

I played at the Freemont and El Cortez in Downtown Las Vegas and they allowed Lay bets to win $10 for 50 cent vig. They have 50 cents chips and real 50 cent coins

One is paid up front and the other on a win only
just do not try making a $20 or a $200 Lay bet on a 5 or 9
unless you want to slow the game down for that 7 out (or 7 winner)

What about betting and laying odds? If the table max is $5000, could someone lay $25000 behind on the pass line if they bet max (assuming 5x) and lay $50k??

Quote: RS

I think I got a headache.....ugh.


You can increase your come bets or line bet whenever you want, same thing with odds. You don't have to "wait" for anything.

Do casinos that allow 10-100 x, allow players to raise their pass bets in order to [gain] "put odds" at a larger amount?

If a player can drop a 5 min. wager on a 4-10 after the fact, and take 500$ odds behind, that must remove buy bets out of business, with the flat bet actually paying on a hit versus a vig just disappearing [and being considerably cheaper than 5%], eh?

Quote: valoem

What about betting and laying odds?
If the table max is $5000, could someone lay $25000 behind on the pass line if they bet max (assuming 5x) and lay $50k??

1st, on the pass line or the Do side, one TAKES the odds (they are the underdog just like in sports betting) and on the don't they Lay the odds

I still say it depends on the casino.
they do as they please.

Main Street Station at 20X odds does not allow odds higher than a certain amount, i forget what that is.
I thought it was funny as it was way below 20x odds, both on the do and the don't side.

you can call them if you like.
Dale Yeasel used to work there. (A craps expert)
he went off to sit Box in Heaven I heard. He was a funny guy to talk with too.

as to your re-write of wikipedia craps
start over
keep it so simple that all can understand the basics (6 year olds to 96 year olds)
and if they want more and who does not want more (Mo)
send them to the advanced section to learn about the exceptions to the basic rules of the game

every version right now is too much
takes too much to read too

maybe time for a Girls Gone Gambling video
sex sells without trying

Quote: valoem

It was actually because I read the former Wikipedia page before my additions and went to the craps table only to discovered half of what was going on not on the Wikipedia. Then I had a ton of questions during shooting which was apparently a big no. SanchoPanza flamed me saying the minimum lay not $20, was he incorrect?

The least that could be done here would be to quote correctly. I made it clear that in my experience dealers who were not particularly customer-oriented would allow an underpriced lay bet as long as the house's vig was collected. If that does not make sense, then a more realistic understanding of the vig is required.

Quote: mustangsally

1st, on the pass line or the Do side, one TAKES the odds (they are the underdog just like in sports betting) and on the don't they Lay the odds

As made so explicitly clear in the basic and well-organized information at WOO.

Quote: mustangsally

maybe time for a Girls Gone Gambling video sex sells without trying

When and where?

I went ahead and created this article

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_craps_terms

It is incomplete if anyone would like to expand it. I've added sources below but haven't had time to transfer everything. I was hoping someone more experience can take over.

Quote: valoem

What about betting and laying odds? If the table max is $5000, could someone lay $25000 behind on the pass line if they bet max (assuming 5x) and lay $50k??

Sometimes odds maximum is written on the odds sign but more often you need to ask. Very, very few players ever make table maximum bets at public tables. More often, a 5k or 10k player will get a private table where the limits are negotiated up front. I've seen reserved tables for players as low as $500, though that line action also came with black action in the prop box.

Every casino is different, but that's really the point -- there's no way to have a concise yet perfectly correct set of game parameters for craps. There are rules of thumb but also always exceptions, especially on the high end.

Quote: valoem

I went ahead and created this article

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_craps_terms

It is incomplete if anyone would like to expand it. I've added sources below but haven't had time to transfer everything. I was hoping someone more experience can take over.

Change Only is when a player buys in to a game specifically with CASH -- the "only" means no bets are being placed at the time of the buy in. (Dealers will say this out loud so that a player can't take a shot and say he wanted a bet on X.)

Color Up AKA color in, color coming in, color (NOT COLOUR UP, WE'RE IN AMERICA) - making smaller chips into bigger ones.

Cheque Change -- Breaking down a chip into smaller denomination chips.

Hi-Lo is a bet on 2 AND 12. Hi-Lo-Yo is 2, 11, AND 12.

Nina - nine

Shot / shot taker -- when a player tries to claim he had a bet which he didn't have.

Flea -- a POS player, non-tipper, and/or tiny stakes player. (Not that a POS doesn't tip or someone who doesn't tip is therefore a POS or a tiny stakes player is a POS.)

Stroker -- a player who makes bets overly complicated (i.e.: has a $186 six and $222 eight, when one hits he asks the six be pressed to $264 and the eight dropped to $198) and/or makes dealers work extra hard (I want $32 across including working on the come out...dealer sets it up....never mind I want $80 outside, off!....no I want $44 inside now, working......just set me up with $32 across)

Stickman

Base dealer

First base

Second base

Box man

Bank

Working stacks

Dice

Pips

Stick

Orchard

Prop box

Puck

Hook

Straight out

Shooter

Twizzler

Fire bet

All tall small (ATS/future)

Put bet

House edge

80 red 20 aces

Toke/tip

Crew

Boomerang

Field bet

Point

Turn / turning / on the turn