Specific Don't Come Question
March 9th, 2016 at 9:59:22 AM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesIf I were running the game, I'd allow it. That alone should tell you that you should never do it!
I know its a stupid bet I'm just trying to compile all the little rules. If I come to a game and I see a point is on already can I make a put bet on the Pass and then bet odds immediately or do I have to wait one disadvantaged roll before I get odds.
Next question if I have say $10 on the pass line and the shooter rolls a 9 can I increase my pass bet to $20 and bet higher odds behind immediately or do I have to wait one more roll?
When it comes to the come bet can a put come a number immediately of my choice and lay odds behind? Or do I have to endure one disadvantaged roll before I can bet odds?
March 9th, 2016 at 12:46:34 PM
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I think I got a headache.....ugh.
You can increase your come bets or line bet whenever you want, same thing with odds. You don't have to "wait" for anything.
You can increase your come bets or line bet whenever you want, same thing with odds. You don't have to "wait" for anything.
March 9th, 2016 at 1:04:54 PM
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Also can players move a Pass Line bet to a Don't Pass after a point has been established? Can they move it the other way around? Sorry these are advance questions I can't find anywhere online.
March 9th, 2016 at 1:50:14 PM
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Quote: valoemAlso can players move a Pass Line bet to a Don't Pass after a point has been established? Can they move it the other way around? Sorry these are advance questions I can't find anywhere online.
If you understand the basic math, the answers become obvious.
Seven is always the most likely roll. Therefore if you survive the come out roll, your don't pass bet is now a favorite to win. Because of that, the casino doesn't care if you take it down.
On the other side seven is always the most likely roll, still. So if your pass line bet gets past the come out roll, the CASINO is now a favorite to win that money. Hence they don't let you take it down, and they don't care if you plunk down more money.
Moving a don't pass bet to the pass while the point is on? YOU BETCHA! The casino would LOVE it if you did that. So don't do it, jeez.
"So drink gamble eat f***, because one day you will be dust." -ontariodealer
March 9th, 2016 at 1:55:41 PM
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Quote: AcesAndEights...and they don't care if you plunk down more money.
Forgot to add that if you do this (bet the pass after a point is established), a good/nice dealer will help you by moving it so the chips are straddling the border of the pass line. This is a way to indicate that you are "placing the point," i.e. making a place bet on the point number. It wins if the number is rolled and gives you better odds than even money.
Of course if you are going to lay odds behind it, then you're getting about the same deal at a 3/4/5 table (I don't recall the exact numbers), and a better deal if you're laying 10x or more odds.
"So drink gamble eat f***, because one day you will be dust." -ontariodealer
March 9th, 2016 at 2:15:23 PM
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Quote: AcesAndEightsForgot to add that if you do this (bet the pass after a point is established), a good/nice dealer will help you by moving it so the chips are straddling the border of the pass line. This is a way to indicate that you are "placing the point," i.e. making a place bet on the point number. It wins if the number is rolled and gives you better odds than even money.
Of course if you are going to lay odds behind it, then you're getting about the same deal at a 3/4/5 table (I don't recall the exact numbers), and a better deal if you're laying 10x or more odds.
I know a lot of bets are stupid I am trying to edit Wikipedia so that a new player will have access to ALL rules including minor ones. I would not make half the bets I'm asking about, but this is also why I don't know what the rules are. For example I just found out Put betting is illegal in PA and NJ, so casino do not allow them.
Also Sally, I noticed you removed the easy ways bet, I know PA, NJ, and NV does not have them, but are we sure it does not exist anywhere?
Per Wikipedia the section was:
Easy way
Opposite of hard way is a bet that the shooter will throw a specific easy way (either 4, 6, 8 or 10), before he throws a seven. An easy way is a value that does not have two dice identical, so 3-1 is easy way 4. These are rarely available as bets except by placing on a point number (which pays off on easy or hard rolls of that number) or if made as a single-roll ("hop") bet (e.g., "hop the 2-4" is a bet for the next roll to be an easy six rolled as a two and four).
I am assuming this is just hopping, but is there a special easy way bet in a casino with different odds then 15:1?
I've readded easy ways, not as a bet, but as a term so people know what easy ways means.
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March 9th, 2016 at 3:17:33 PM
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If you don't know how the bets work.....you probably shouldn't be editing the Wikipedia article.
March 9th, 2016 at 3:43:04 PM
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pass line bet increase to take more odds is way more common than increasing a come bet, I would have to say.Quote: RSYou can increase your come bets or line bet whenever you want, same thing with odds. You don't have to "wait" for anything.
I never seen a come bet (on a box number)
increased except after a win. i am sure it does happen.
Once increased, can not be decreased or removed.
not the same with taking the odds.
up, down and all around is fine. even seen a few called them off
and some even would have won if they had just left them working.
I Heart Vi Hart
March 9th, 2016 at 3:49:52 PM
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Quote: RSIf you don't know how the bets work.....you probably shouldn't be editing the Wikipedia article.
I wait for the answers here and from the craps dealer and edit what they say. Wikipedia was missing about half the rules before the recent edits.
I think everything is there and correct now.
Except for the so called Hard and Horny which no one heard of (I did not add that on Wiki).
Sally can put bets be turned off?
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March 9th, 2016 at 8:21:31 PM
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no, once you put it, it is considered a come bet......and stop calling me sally.
get second you pig
March 9th, 2016 at 8:48:18 PM
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Quote: RSYou can increase your come bets or line bet whenever you want, same thing with odds. You don't have to "wait" for anything.
I thought increasing a PassLine bet was called 'capping' and was an illegal move. You can make an odds bet or increase an odds bet.... no house advantage/no player advantage on odds bets.
March 9th, 2016 at 9:11:14 PM
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Capping is adding on to a winning bet after the outcome is known.
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
March 10th, 2016 at 1:42:09 AM
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Yes, but there is there is a disadvantage on the line bet itself, normally this is larger than a place bet edge unless you get great odds
March 10th, 2016 at 2:56:51 AM
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Quote: valoemYes, but there is there is a disadvantage on the line bet itself, normally this is larger than a place bet edge unless you get great odds
huh?
btw, what section are you editing on the wikipedia page and have you started that?
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
March 10th, 2016 at 3:01:39 AM
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Quote: ontariodealerno, once you put it, it is considered a come bet......and stop calling me sally.
Sorry I thought it was Sally editing. So the Hard and Horny bet does not exist?
Second question, if I were to bet the Whirl and a seven hits does the dealer by default make the same bet for me or take it down for me?
Quote: odiousgambithuh?
btw, what section are you editing on the wikipedia page and have you started that?
All the editing should be done now. I think every detail and rules is on there.
March 10th, 2016 at 3:24:10 AM
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what section?
or what user name do you use?
or what user name do you use?
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
March 10th, 2016 at 3:38:59 AM
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Quote: odiousgambitwhat section?
or what user name do you use?
Same as this one
If the table minimum is $10 can I lay odds behind a 4 for $10 or does it have to be $20 to win $10?
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March 10th, 2016 at 5:45:51 AM
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Quote: valoemSame as this one
If the table minimum is $10 can I lay odds behind a 4 for $10 or does it have to be $20 to win $10?
I'm pretty sure the minimum doesn't mean anything for free odds. I think you could lay $2 to win a dollar with free odds [but the line bet can't be less than $10]
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
March 10th, 2016 at 5:53:12 AM
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Quote: wikipedia contributionUnlike the pass line bet itself, the pass line odds bet can be turned "Off" (not working), removed or reduced up to table minimum anytime before it loses
your contribution here, in bold, appears to make no sense.
I think you should quit making contributions until you have played for a few weeks. Who has the time to go back and fix all this?
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
March 10th, 2016 at 5:58:03 AM
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Quote: odiousgambitQuote: wikipedia contributionUnlike the pass line bet itself, the pass line odds bet can be turned "Off" (not working), removed or reduced up to table minimum anytime before it loses
your contribution here, in bold, appears to make no sense.
I think you should quit making contributions until you have played for a few weeks. Who has the time to go back and fix all this?
That is correct, I would recommend knowing the rules first before saying someone made a mistake. I double checked on Win Craps. You can not bet less than table minimum on odds.
March 10th, 2016 at 6:57:55 AM
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those that do that, like my Uncle,Quote: FleaStiffI thought increasing a PassLine bet was called 'capping' and was an illegal move.
can get the Dealer interested in their bet right away so the player does not LOWER the pass line bet AFTER a point is established,
say PlayerA hates the point of 4 and 10 and has $15 on the Pass and after the point is established uses both hands to place odds and remove $5 from the Pass Line bet so now only has $10. ($10 min table)
slick (but on camera maybe)
That is an illegal move I have been told by a few Dealers.
I Heart Vi Hart
March 10th, 2016 at 7:01:58 AM
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hey hey Yes!Quote: valoemThat is correct, I would recommend knowing the rules first before saying someone made a mistake.
I double checked on Win Craps. You can not bet less than table minimum on odds.
the Help section is #1 for Craps in WinCraps
maybe Steen can add his writing style to Wikipedia Craps
of course, someone can come by later and change it all for the worse
or even worser
Sally
I Heart Vi Hart
March 10th, 2016 at 7:13:24 AM
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what is the meaning of this, exactly?Quote: valoemYes, but there is there is a disadvantage on the line bet itself,
normally this is larger than a place bet edge unless you get great odds
in other words
is it 100% fact or an opinion or a mix
(like a Pass Line bet with an added Put bet
or
as member 'Ahigh' who says "once a point is established the Pass Line bet magically changes to a Put bet")
I Heart Vi Hart
March 10th, 2016 at 8:51:59 AM
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Group & MS:
Not a reply to your recent post but this is a great thread. It's a Q&A learning experience on some of the nuances pertaining to the Don't Come. Therefore, I did not want to start a new thread, but rather ask some other questions related to the DC.
My question is about Sam Grafstein's section of his book (pages 62-81, inclusive) which describes various Don't Come strategies . I'm not asking anyone to calculate any math on all these strategies from scratch or do a lot work. I just thought someone here has perhaps already done a comparative analysis to see which of his DC strategies are superior to the others? I did not see anything in the archives.
I have read through these various strategies, and honestly since I am math challenged, it's hard to come to any conclusion about which is the smartest strategy.
(Excepting of course if the answer is not to use any; and don't play the game.)
My guess is that it's a matter of choice about how aggressive one wants to be on the dark side? For example, I can eliminate his "Fast Action Play" since it would not suit my conservative temperament. And, there is something that is appealing about his "Mrs. Dice Doctor" play probably because he cites a winning batting average of 60% without the laying of odds.
Thank you for any feedback.
Not a reply to your recent post but this is a great thread. It's a Q&A learning experience on some of the nuances pertaining to the Don't Come. Therefore, I did not want to start a new thread, but rather ask some other questions related to the DC.
My question is about Sam Grafstein's section of his book (pages 62-81, inclusive) which describes various Don't Come strategies . I'm not asking anyone to calculate any math on all these strategies from scratch or do a lot work. I just thought someone here has perhaps already done a comparative analysis to see which of his DC strategies are superior to the others? I did not see anything in the archives.
I have read through these various strategies, and honestly since I am math challenged, it's hard to come to any conclusion about which is the smartest strategy.
(Excepting of course if the answer is not to use any; and don't play the game.)
My guess is that it's a matter of choice about how aggressive one wants to be on the dark side? For example, I can eliminate his "Fast Action Play" since it would not suit my conservative temperament. And, there is something that is appealing about his "Mrs. Dice Doctor" play probably because he cites a winning batting average of 60% without the laying of odds.
Thank you for any feedback.
March 10th, 2016 at 9:18:46 AM
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Tthe odds minimum varies from casino to casino. CZR was a big mover to making the odds bets -- both ways -- the table minimums. It now seems have spread around even off the Strip.Quote: odiousgambitI'm pretty sure the minimum doesn't mean anything for free odds. I think you could lay $2 to win a dollar with free odds [but the line bet can't be less than $10]
March 10th, 2016 at 9:37:11 AM
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Quote: valoemQuote: odiousgambitQuote: wikipedia contributionUnlike the pass line bet itself, the pass line odds bet can be turned "Off" (not working), removed or reduced up to table minimum anytime before it loses
your contribution here, in bold, appears to make no sense.
I think you should quit making contributions until you have played for a few weeks. Who has the time to go back and fix all this?
That is correct, I would recommend knowing the rules first before saying someone made a mistake. I double checked on Win Craps. You can not bet less than table minimum on odds.
It was not highlighted as a mistake, but something that makes no sense. Maybe you should say "down to table minimum. Are you really sure that's true everywhere? Perhaps you can say 'generally', perhaps not. The thing is, then, it's not worth the change you made. Wincraps won't be the standard for everywhere.
So you're going to get defensive? If so, you're definitely not cut out for Wikipedia editing!
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
March 10th, 2016 at 10:23:23 AM
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Quote: odiousgambitQuote: valoemQuote: odiousgambitQuote: wikipedia contributionUnlike the pass line bet itself, the pass line odds bet can be turned "Off" (not working), removed or reduced up to table minimum anytime before it loses
your contribution here, in bold, appears to make no sense.
I think you should quit making contributions until you have played for a few weeks. Who has the time to go back and fix all this?
That is correct, I would recommend knowing the rules first before saying someone made a mistake. I double checked on Win Craps. You can not bet less than table minimum on odds.
It was not highlighted as a mistake, but something that makes no sense. Maybe you should say "down to table minimum. Are you really sure that's true everywhere? Perhaps you can say 'generally', perhaps not. The thing is, then, it's not worth the change you made. Wincraps won't be the standard for everywhere.
So you're going to get defensive? If so, you're definitely not cut out for Wikipedia editing!
Insulting someone after asking them is questions is not helping. Is there any casino where this is not true? Do most casinos allow Don't Pass and Don't Come odds to be table minimum (allowing the player to win less than table minimum) are there any casinos that allow under the table minimum on odds?.
March 10th, 2016 at 10:58:57 AM
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"Most casinos" covers a lot of ground, probably too much for any one person to describe competently. Just in Las Vegas, alone, it is not too clear just what the house practices are. Someone one would have to go around to each of the scores of casinos and ask dealers, box personnel and floor supervisors just what their deal is. Such minute details are usually neither posted on the Internet nor advertised.Quote: valoemIs there any casino where this is not true? Do most casinos allow Don't Pass and Don't Come odds to be table minimum (allowing the player to win less than table minimum) are there any casinos that allow under the table minimum on odds?.
March 10th, 2016 at 1:35:59 PM
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Quote: valoemInsulting someone after asking them is questions is not helping.
No insult intended, but I am not being careful about your feelings either. Anyone who wants to be a Wikipedia editor needs to grow a thick skin fast.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
March 10th, 2016 at 1:42:52 PM
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I've never seen or heard of a casino where you can bet less than the table minimum on pass-line odds, nor a case where you can lay odds against a number to win less than the minimum.
If it's a $10 min, you either gotta bet $10 or more on the odds (on PL), or bet enough to win $10 on DP. Of course, you can always bet $0.
Don't edit wikipedia unless you know what you're talking about.
If it's a $10 min, you either gotta bet $10 or more on the odds (on PL), or bet enough to win $10 on DP. Of course, you can always bet $0.
Don't edit wikipedia unless you know what you're talking about.
March 10th, 2016 at 2:02:09 PM
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Quote: RSI've never seen or heard of a casino where you can bet less than the table minimum on pass-line odds, nor a case where you can lay odds against a number to win less than the minimum.
If it's a $10 min, you either gotta bet $10 or more on the odds (on PL), or bet enough to win $10 on DP. Of course, you can always bet $0.
Don't edit wikipedia unless you know what you're talking about.
OK, you can and I do.
I sit on the MO/IL border and they run two differing rule sets.
MO=You can place anything you want on the odds. You may place 2 dollar odds on a 4/10. you may place 3 dollar odds on the 5/9, and 6 odds on the 6/8. Pays 2/4/5.
IL =You must lay whatever it takes to make the win greater than or equal to the table min. So on 4/10 you have to lay 10, 5/9 you have to lay 9, and 6/8 can stay at 6.
So you should ask because this isn't a printed rule.
March 10th, 2016 at 2:13:16 PM
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This.Quote: RSDon't edit wikipedia unless you know what you're talking about.
And don't edit Wikipedia based on the knowledge you just learned from one forum on the Internet plus the help file from a piece of software.
Seriously, if you (the OP) don't understand the rules of the game, why would you ever publish that lack of understanding to Wikipedia?
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice."
-- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
March 10th, 2016 at 3:50:51 PM
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dup yuk
I Heart Vi Hart
March 10th, 2016 at 3:50:52 PM
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I read that page but did not look at the edits.Quote: MathExtremistSeriously, if you (the OP) don't understand the rules of the game, why would you ever publish that lack of understanding to Wikipedia?
Some of the content is difficult to understand even by me but I never had the inclination to edit that page.
I mean, The WoO under Blackjack rules does not even state that a natural BJ is on the 1st 2 cards only
I did not see it in print
"The value of a hand is the sum of the point values of the individual cards. Except, a "blackjack" is the highest hand, consisting of an ace and any 10-point card, and it outranks all other 21-point hands."
https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/basics/#toc-Rules
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I think the OPs questions are fair and honest.
and added:
it is well known that Wikipedia publishes content that is not it's own, were not there many lawsuits against them, and their yearly donations rake in the millions and millions of $$$
edit and save
I Heart Vi Hart
March 10th, 2016 at 5:39:29 PM
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I won't dispute that the Craps page at Wikipedia generally needs re-write
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
March 10th, 2016 at 5:52:32 PM
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Potawatomi Casino in Milwaukee also doesn't require odds to the table min. on the pass line; I've seen players go with $2 odds behind a 4/10, or $5 behind on a $10 minimum table.
I've never seen a player take less on the don't side, but I suspect they'd allow it based on what they allow on the pass line.
I've never seen a player take less on the don't side, but I suspect they'd allow it based on what they allow on the pass line.
March 10th, 2016 at 7:57:13 PM
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Quote: RSI've never seen or heard of a casino where you can bet less than the table minimum on pass-line odds, nor a case where you can lay odds against a number to win less than the minimum.
If it's a $10 min, you either gotta bet $10 or more on the odds (on PL), or bet enough to win $10 on DP. Of course, you can always bet $0.
Don't edit wikipedia unless you know what you're talking about.
I've just confirmed all the rules by the floor on Sugarhouse. In AC and PA, the COMBINED bet between the Pass and the Odds must be table minimum. So if the table is $15 and you have $15 on the Pass, you can bet as little as $1 on odds if it is the 4 or 10, with the Don't you can bet as little as $2 if it is 4 or 10. In Vegas MUST be table minimum. I also added info on table maximums.
Also standard lay bets, require the player to bet so that he can WIN at least $20 regardless of how low table minimums are.
Also I believe odds can be larger than table maximum, but I am not sure on that one.
March 10th, 2016 at 8:14:04 PM
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That is one extremely minute sampling of the craps world. So small as to be virtually meaningless.Quote: valoemI've just confirmed all the rules by the floor on Sugarhouse. In AC and PA, the COMBINED bet between the Pass and the Odds must be table minimum.
Incorrect. Whatever that is based on.Quote: valoemSo if the table is $15 and you have $15 on the Pass, you can bet as little as $1 on odds if it is the 4 or 10, with the Don't you can bet as little as $2 if it is 4 or 10. In Vegas MUST be table minimum.
Not in more than 30 years' experience in both AC and Las Vegas. If the dealers are cranky or angry with the world, they will take lay bets that pay off $10 or $15 so long as you pay the vig. Have you ever made a lay bet?Quote: valoemAlso standard lay bets, require the player to bet so that he can WIN at least $20 regardless of how low table minimums are.
March 10th, 2016 at 8:29:30 PM
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Quote: SanchoPanzaThat is one extremely minute sampling of the craps world. So small as to be virtually meaningless.
Incorrect. Whatever that is based on.
Not in more than 30 years' experience in both AC and Las Vegas. If the dealers are cranky or angry with the world, they will take lay bets that pay off $10 or $15 so long as you pay the vig. Have you ever made a lay bet?
I confirm from the floor that this is correct for PA and AC. They said the minimum lay must win $20 even at lowest stakes tables.
He also said the minimum odds is the combine bet and one person with no money was betting $1 and $2 at the table for odds on 4 and 10. Both dealers and players said they never seen anyone bet that low before on odds, but it was allowed.
The question I did not have answered is if the table maximum is $2000 and I bet $2000 on the Don't and the point is 4 does this mean I can bet $20,000 for $10,000 if the odds are 5x?
Please review the Wiki article and correct anything that is not standard. I am basing my information from the floor of casinos. He said it was the same in Vegas and AC minimum lay must win $20. I was just there about 30 minutes ago. The table minimum was $15 I tried to lay 17 (including vig) for a payout of 8 on the 4 if it sevens out, the dealer and floor said some casinos in Vegas, all in AC, and PA require minimum lay to win $20. This was at Sugarhouse so I am sure it is a PA rule, but the dealer and floor said this extended mostly everywhere (though WinCraps says lay is equal to table minimum and can win less than table minimum).
March 10th, 2016 at 8:57:04 PM
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Which casinos?Quote: valoemI am basing my information from the floor of casinos.
Whoever "he" is, he is either mistaken or does not have correct information.Quote: valoemHe said it was the same in Vegas and AC minimum lay must win $20.
Why would anyone be "sure" without checking the Pennsylvania gambling authorities?Quote: valoemI was just there about 30 minutes ago. The table minimum was $15 I tried to lay 17 (including vig) for a payout of 8 on the 4 if it sevens out, the dealer and floor said some casinos in Vegas, all in AC, and PA require minimum lay to win $20. This was at Sugarhouse so I am sure it is a PA rule,
Dealers and supervisors have a hard enough time keeping their own house's rules straight. In many cases, if they're being asked too many questions or are feeling challenged, they can and do spout BS or just plain old erroneous but intelligent-sounding malarkey. Especially if it involves distant operations. There is no way that they could offer such all-encompassing details with any accuracy on the spur of the moment.Quote: valoembut the dealer and floor said this extended mostly everywhere.
March 10th, 2016 at 9:06:40 PM
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Are you sure they are wrong? Several players also confirmed this information maybe Sally can double check.
March 10th, 2016 at 9:28:52 PM
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In most logical discussions, the person making the assertion is supposed to be responsible for substantiating the statement, especially when questions or objections have been raised. And that obligation is not fulfilled by repeating second- and third-hand uncorroborated pap.Quote: valoemAre you sure they are wrong?
March 10th, 2016 at 9:31:52 PM
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Okay, I call hooey. Demonstrate that you're not trolling the forum with this nonsense. You think a player at a $1 table would be forced to make a $40 no-4 bet?Quote: valoemAre you sure they are wrong? Several players also confirmed this information maybe Sally can double check.
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice."
-- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
March 10th, 2016 at 9:39:56 PM
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Wouldn't be the first time.Quote: MathExtremistOkay, I call hooey.
March 10th, 2016 at 9:50:06 PM
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That player was not betting $40, the dealer said I could not bet a $16 lay on the 4 I had to put $40 plus $1 for the vig then he said that was the standard in most places. Another player confirmed this was true at least in AC and PA, if this floor did make a mistake you are free to correct the article. In fact I have a phobia of adding incorrect information. Assuming the experts are here this is the article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craps
Please correct anything wrong I am trying my best with the information given to me to write a comprehensive article which compasses all the details of craps.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craps
Please correct anything wrong I am trying my best with the information given to me to write a comprehensive article which compasses all the details of craps.
March 10th, 2016 at 10:31:52 PM
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It's this kind of in-depth research and expertise that shakes my confidence in the entire Wikipedia site.
March 10th, 2016 at 10:49:54 PM
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Quote: CalderIt's this kind of in-depth research and expertise that shakes my confidence in the entire Wikipedia site.
Here is two versions of the article:
This was before I added information
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Craps&oldid=708056463
This is the current version:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craps
Which version has more issues. Is the first version complete or missing information, which has more errors.
March 11th, 2016 at 12:15:41 AM
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New Jersey and PA have some weird laws regarding gambling stuff. Like not being able to bet $5 place on the 6 or 8 (in AC?). PA has liberal gambling rules as well, protecting the player. LV and other areas, not like PA or AC.
March 11th, 2016 at 7:29:09 AM
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i would say the thing with minimum and maximum amounts to bet is still up to the casino.Quote: valoemThe question I did not have answered is if the table maximum is $2000 and I bet $2000 on the Don't and the point is 4 does this mean I can bet $20,000 for $10,000 if the odds are 5x?
There are no hard rules etched in stone.
I remember at Main Street Station in Las Vegas where they have 20X odds but a placard stating the maximum that can be bet as odds and that value is less than 20x odds if the max line bet is taken.
very rare to see max bets all the time from one player.
I think your additions to Wikipedia Craps makes it more difficult to read
too much info all at once without a test after each section
that article is so wordy it needs to be split-up into just the basics
and then for more advanced concepts and exceptions to standard rules in a different section or page.
I can not read that article without getting a headache.
and I
yes, I also
remember place bets used to talk about (was written about)
how they began years ago (about 100 years or soso)
as a simple
put bet
that was NOT a contract bet with 4x (outside) or 5x odds (6&8)
That is interesting too cuz standard place bets are nothing more
than a come bet (put bet) with odds
thanks for the effort
those that hater will always hate (i hate my fat fingers)
so due say
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March 11th, 2016 at 8:12:13 AM
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Quote: mustangsallyI can not read that article without getting a headache
Agree.
I see the OP is not new to wikipedia at all as I thought, sorry.
Sir, I still think you should wait until you have played Craps longer before contributing any more. Your view of what is important to add is really going to change.
And what needs to happen to that page is major clean-up.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
