CHARTING A TABLE
January 31st, 2016 at 12:46:20 PM
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It's all bull- let's look at it this way- if I could realistically cut the deck of cards with even remote success - WHICH HAS BEEN DONE- look at how valuable it would be to it to an ace JUST ONCE. PER SHOE he quite simply cannot do what he is claiming I'll put up money at even odds any amount that going to me to toe with me and him setting and me throwing the dice from a cup will have almost status chalky identical results after A reasonable amount of rolls
No longer hiring, don’t ask because I won’t hire you either
January 31st, 2016 at 1:24:13 PM
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Gamblers are gamblers. APs are APs. There's money to bet here boys and girls, seen some big offers on the table lately. I suggest you let me hold the money, just to be fair and all..
Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
January 31st, 2016 at 2:37:46 PM
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Quote: dicesitterSorry, your just going to have to live with that. I have been placing data on here for
a very long time, and every time I go to my table I show the same thing.
This is your loss not mine, I am very certain about my outcomes, 100% certain.
I have no loss whatsoever: as has been noted by others, your results at your home table aren't necessarily relevant to your would-be results at a craps table run by a licensed casino operator. In other words, your at-home dice throwing data is meaningless to me.
The only thing that matters is whether you can reproduce those results in a casino when money is on the line. Now, you've said you're not interested in money but I am. And if you can translate your home dice results into equivalent results at a Las Vegas casino, I have a consulting opportunity for you:
I will fly you to Las Vegas, put you up for two weeks in a suite at whatever casino you want, cover all your expenses including whatever meals or (legal) entertainment you desire, and additionally pay you a $1000/day consulting rate. You are being hired to throw dice for one hour per day (or a minimum of 100 rolls, whichever comes later) at a casino table I will select; the other 23 hours in the day are yours to do with as you wish, though we may mutually agree to extend a daily session for an additional $1000/hour. There are only two performance conditions:
1) the casino must not prohibit you from throwing the dice at any point during the engagement, and
2) your actual probability of rolling a total of seven must exceed 25% for every daily period.
If you fail to meet either condition, the deal is immediately terminated and you will reimburse me for all costs, expenses and fees, plus an additional $10,000, said funds to be deposited in an escrow account prior to the engagement.
If you are truly "100% certain" about your outcomes, this is a no-brainer. Do we have a deal? If so, I'll arrange for an engagement contract to be drawn up.
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice."
-- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
January 31st, 2016 at 3:06:56 PM
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Math, I will kick in any additional that is needed and will also fly out to any casino and can get a reserved table at almost any casino he wants to play at- just le me know
No longer hiring, don’t ask because I won’t hire you either
January 31st, 2016 at 3:19:10 PM
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If you're selling tickets on the qt, count me in, pls.Quote: MathExtremistIf you are truly "100% certain" about your outcomes, this is a no-brainer. Do we have a deal? If so, I'll arrange for an engagement contract to be drawn up.
January 31st, 2016 at 3:22:21 PM
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We have a better chance of monkey fest 16 happening
I miss ace
I miss ace
No longer hiring, don’t ask because I won’t hire you either
January 31st, 2016 at 7:14:20 PM
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Curious, I checked to see what his shot looks like:
dicesitter rolling dem bones
Whoa, that is NOT what I expected.
Looks like he has a flat shot that lands very early and rolls quite a way before touching the bottom rubber, thus avoiding the pyramids.
He couldn't do that shot with a busy table, lots of chips would be in the way.
So he has to seek out empty or nearly empty tables to shoot that way.
To my eye, I noticed no "influence" at all; perhaps he can point out where he has "influenced" the dice?
dicesitter rolling dem bones
Whoa, that is NOT what I expected.
Looks like he has a flat shot that lands very early and rolls quite a way before touching the bottom rubber, thus avoiding the pyramids.
He couldn't do that shot with a busy table, lots of chips would be in the way.
So he has to seek out empty or nearly empty tables to shoot that way.
To my eye, I noticed no "influence" at all; perhaps he can point out where he has "influenced" the dice?
"What, me worry?"
January 31st, 2016 at 7:40:54 PM
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That's just one of the viewer-unfriendly aspects. The vertical frame is a real impediment, especially compared to a superior horizontal frame. As for the "results," it would seem to be foolhardy to bet hard 10, even with the scant 5-5. Also, with all those Point Seven Outs, I await his demonstration in Las Vegas with bated breath.Quote: MrVTo my eye, I noticed no "influence" at all; perhaps he can point out where he has "influenced" the dice?
January 31st, 2016 at 10:24:28 PM
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OnceDear
With all due respect, you guys including the wizard are all touched in the head when it comes to what I am talking about.
I play here in Wisconsin, we have all tribal casino's. They pretty much know all regular players and if you set the dice
you stand out like a sore thumb, now my main shot is a little different, but still., and if your going to have an effective
roll you have to play on an almost empty table.
There is no a chance in a million that could go to any of these places, shoot like I do, or like some of the guys with say a GTC
shot, and win $5000, this week, go back next week and win $5000, go back the next week and win $5000 and then expect to ever
play there again... period.
I know these guys and I have been told by a couple of pit bosses we know you set the dice and practice craps, anyone can see that,
you win a couple of hundred every week or so no problem..... you get real serious and we got a problem. We used to play in eastern
Wisconsin, my partner and I and one of the packers started to come over and he bet big and he won big many times on our rolls, and real
quick we were done, all setters gone.
You guys are certifiable with the talk about making millions.....
Here is an example, I played to night in Green Bay with a guy from the packer organization. I am small better he is large. First roll I had
was 26, then 6 , 9 ,19, 8, 8,.. I hit three sides of the ATS bet and came out well ahead on my rolls... Stick said what type of shot is that, I
have never seen anyone do that. He said your taking the back wall out of play. I just nodded. First time I used that there, what
chance would I have going unnoticed enough to make thousands.... week after week....zero.
I don't live in Vegas I live here.
I am heading for a craps playing trip in two weeks, wife said fishing is over... we are heading to St Louis, then, down the Mississippi river
area to the golf coast and the over east and back to Wisconsin, I think we will hit 15-20 casino's to play. I am going to try the typical
GTC or PARR shot and the my table top shot to see what happens at the different casino's. I know which produces the best results, but
I will try both.
If my shot produces some of the same results as here on my table, I will tell you, if not I will also tell you because I really don't care.
You guys in the mean time can worry about making millions, I will be playing in the real world.
dicesetter.
With all due respect, you guys including the wizard are all touched in the head when it comes to what I am talking about.
I play here in Wisconsin, we have all tribal casino's. They pretty much know all regular players and if you set the dice
you stand out like a sore thumb, now my main shot is a little different, but still., and if your going to have an effective
roll you have to play on an almost empty table.
There is no a chance in a million that could go to any of these places, shoot like I do, or like some of the guys with say a GTC
shot, and win $5000, this week, go back next week and win $5000, go back the next week and win $5000 and then expect to ever
play there again... period.
I know these guys and I have been told by a couple of pit bosses we know you set the dice and practice craps, anyone can see that,
you win a couple of hundred every week or so no problem..... you get real serious and we got a problem. We used to play in eastern
Wisconsin, my partner and I and one of the packers started to come over and he bet big and he won big many times on our rolls, and real
quick we were done, all setters gone.
You guys are certifiable with the talk about making millions.....
Here is an example, I played to night in Green Bay with a guy from the packer organization. I am small better he is large. First roll I had
was 26, then 6 , 9 ,19, 8, 8,.. I hit three sides of the ATS bet and came out well ahead on my rolls... Stick said what type of shot is that, I
have never seen anyone do that. He said your taking the back wall out of play. I just nodded. First time I used that there, what
chance would I have going unnoticed enough to make thousands.... week after week....zero.
I don't live in Vegas I live here.
I am heading for a craps playing trip in two weeks, wife said fishing is over... we are heading to St Louis, then, down the Mississippi river
area to the golf coast and the over east and back to Wisconsin, I think we will hit 15-20 casino's to play. I am going to try the typical
GTC or PARR shot and the my table top shot to see what happens at the different casino's. I know which produces the best results, but
I will try both.
If my shot produces some of the same results as here on my table, I will tell you, if not I will also tell you because I really don't care.
You guys in the mean time can worry about making millions, I will be playing in the real world.
dicesetter.
January 31st, 2016 at 11:06:25 PM
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His point is that if you could demonstrably influence the dice to favor your chosen betting pattern, you would be +EV.
With an edge against the house you could do what the card counters did in the old days: really pour on the coal.
Your shot, as shown by the video on youtube does not scream out "DI," as it is flat and fairly hard, so you should be able to "fly under the radar."
Of course, a bit of camouflage never hurts, such as having a couple confederates at the table betting really big while you bet fairly small, but that ploy won't hold up for long: mostly you'd have to Hit and Run.
With an edge against the house you could do what the card counters did in the old days: really pour on the coal.
Your shot, as shown by the video on youtube does not scream out "DI," as it is flat and fairly hard, so you should be able to "fly under the radar."
Of course, a bit of camouflage never hurts, such as having a couple confederates at the table betting really big while you bet fairly small, but that ploy won't hold up for long: mostly you'd have to Hit and Run.
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"What, me worry?"
January 31st, 2016 at 11:31:26 PM
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I'll be in Mississippi if you want to meet up- no requirements just a meet up
No longer hiring, don’t ask because I won’t hire you either
February 1st, 2016 at 5:33:57 AM
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FWIW, when I was in Reno a year and a half ago, there were a few casinos where the craps table had only 1 base dealer. As such, there were no players (and thus no chips on the layout) on one end.Quote: MrVHe couldn't do that shot with a busy table, lots of chips would be in the way.
So he has to seek out empty or nearly empty tables to shoot that way.
"Dealer has 'rock'... Pay 'paper!'"
February 1st, 2016 at 6:06:57 AM
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We ALL chart tables.
Open/closed.
Boistrous/happy.
Boistrous/loud drunk
Chips flying/ no-body winning.
Morose/ Cheerful.
Georgeous Blonde/ Hannibal Lector.
If you want to assign numbers and decimal points to all this... go ahead. Makes as much sense as those who say a dice table should always point east and west.
Open/closed.
Boistrous/happy.
Boistrous/loud drunk
Chips flying/ no-body winning.
Morose/ Cheerful.
Georgeous Blonde/ Hannibal Lector.
If you want to assign numbers and decimal points to all this... go ahead. Makes as much sense as those who say a dice table should always point east and west.
February 1st, 2016 at 7:19:11 AM
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Mrv
I am so old that in itself is camouflage...laughing
dicesetter
I am so old that in itself is camouflage...laughing
dicesetter
February 1st, 2016 at 7:34:13 AM
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Dicesitter:
I hope you enjoy your time in the casinos, that is what it is all about.
My comments about dice setting are not directed personally toward you; it's the message, not the messenger.
At the end of the day it's us vs. the casino.
Have fun, and good luck on your road trip.
I hope you enjoy your time in the casinos, that is what it is all about.
My comments about dice setting are not directed personally toward you; it's the message, not the messenger.
At the end of the day it's us vs. the casino.
Have fun, and good luck on your road trip.
"What, me worry?"
February 1st, 2016 at 8:12:03 AM
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Dicesetter, when are you coming to St. Louis? Which Casinos you plan on hitting here?
February 1st, 2016 at 9:02:17 AM
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I can make that happen, not just almost empty, but entirely empty. There won't even be chips on the other end of the table.Quote: dicesitterI play here in Wisconsin, we have all tribal casino's. They pretty much know all regular players and if you set the dice you stand out like a sore thumb, now my main shot is a little different, but still., and if your going to have an effective roll you have to play on an almost empty table.
I'm not talking about tribal casinos in Wisconsin, I'm talking about a private salon in Las Vegas. Just you, me, the craps dealers, and any assorted WoV members who want to spectate.Quote:There is no a chance in a million that could go to any of these places, shoot like I do, or like some of the guys with say a GTC shot, and win $5000, this week, go back next week and win $5000, go back the next week and win $5000 and then expect to ever play there again... period.
So let me get this straight: you've spent seven years practicing a physical skill that is worth less than $50/day in the real world -- less than the Federal minimum wage -- because the dice crew can easily detect when you're trying to beat them and won't let you play. Is that right?Quote:I know these guys and I have been told by a couple of pit bosses we know you set the dice and practice craps, anyone can see that, you win a couple of hundred every week or so no problem..... you get real serious and we got a problem.
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You guys in the mean time can worry about making millions, I will be playing in the real world.
My offer to fly you to Las Vegas, cover your RFB, and pay you $1000/day to shoot dice is still on the table, but how confident are you that you'd be able to fulfill the performance criteria?
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice."
-- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
February 1st, 2016 at 1:44:44 PM
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Jessie
I am pretty sure we will be there 15-17 of Feb. I am not sure what casino's my buddy will
take me to but in the past I played a lot at Ameristar
dicesetter
I am pretty sure we will be there 15-17 of Feb. I am not sure what casino's my buddy will
take me to but in the past I played a lot at Ameristar
dicesetter
February 1st, 2016 at 1:59:48 PM
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Ameristar is a fun place to play and during those days you should see 5 dollar tables. I live in St. Charles.
February 1st, 2016 at 3:32:38 PM
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it is often better to ignore something, isn't it.
get second you pig
February 1st, 2016 at 3:47:06 PM
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Jessie
My buddy lives in St Charles
dicesetter
My buddy lives in St Charles
dicesetter
February 1st, 2016 at 5:23:29 PM
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Quote: ontariodealerit is often better to ignore something, isn't it.
Actually IMHO it IS better to ignore the folks who want to use you. If what he says is true, there is no upside in saying it. Maybe someday he will come to that conclusion himself. In the meantime, both sides of the fence, suffer with his incessant babbling.
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
February 1st, 2016 at 10:54:44 PM
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The only incessant babbling I like to hear is the stick saying "Line Down, Pay The Don't". Particularly when I'm on the Don'ts.Quote: DeMangosuffer with his incessant babbling.
February 2nd, 2016 at 8:31:51 AM
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Jessie
Before I get going I will email you a cell number, if we meet up and play a
little that would be good, and my buddy does not care.
We are out to have some fun.
dicesetter
Before I get going I will email you a cell number, if we meet up and play a
little that would be good, and my buddy does not care.
We are out to have some fun.
dicesetter
February 2nd, 2016 at 9:09:34 AM
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Has PM's been disabled on this site???
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
February 2nd, 2016 at 9:58:56 AM
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DS; would you by any chance be traveling through Lake Charles? I live in Houston and would be happy to fit in with your schedule?
I haven't yet learned how to send an e-mail. Maybe because I'm older than you. (:-) Not to worry; you won't have to deal with my
and my walker or anything. I can still do crossfit; just not as heavy as the young turks.
I haven't yet learned how to send an e-mail. Maybe because I'm older than you. (:-) Not to worry; you won't have to deal with my
and my walker or anything. I can still do crossfit; just not as heavy as the young turks.
February 2nd, 2016 at 1:21:08 PM
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eclectic
Nobody living is older than I am. I am still using passenger pigeon.
I don't know where lake Charles is. Sue and I are going to spend some time in
St Louis, then down the river from Memphis to New Orleans, along the golf
coast and east a tad. I would love to get over to AC, but I may run out of time
or money prior to that.
Dicesetter
Nobody living is older than I am. I am still using passenger pigeon.
I don't know where lake Charles is. Sue and I are going to spend some time in
St Louis, then down the river from Memphis to New Orleans, along the golf
coast and east a tad. I would love to get over to AC, but I may run out of time
or money prior to that.
Dicesetter
February 2nd, 2016 at 3:55:29 PM
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DC, maybe later. I wish you and your Mrs a safe and memorable trip! Until later, then, on this forum.
February 3rd, 2016 at 8:21:42 AM
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math
I am not ignoring you, I just have no interest at all in your money, the wizards
money or showing off. I am just an old fart playing craps.
But it has become clear to me you think this stuff is more important than
I do. I have no problem with the idea that your much younger and better
at the math of the game than I am. In that regard, I have been trying some
thing different at home in terms to the level of betting I apply to the areas
where I feel I have an advantage. It has been eye opening to say the least.
I cant say for sure if I will apply much or any of this in my trip, but I am
truly tempted.
dicesetter
I am not ignoring you, I just have no interest at all in your money, the wizards
money or showing off. I am just an old fart playing craps.
But it has become clear to me you think this stuff is more important than
I do. I have no problem with the idea that your much younger and better
at the math of the game than I am. In that regard, I have been trying some
thing different at home in terms to the level of betting I apply to the areas
where I feel I have an advantage. It has been eye opening to say the least.
I cant say for sure if I will apply much or any of this in my trip, but I am
truly tempted.
dicesetter
February 3rd, 2016 at 8:27:37 AM
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How bout a better offer- I'll put you up in Vegas during the wov meet up- pay for food and hotel/ if you can achieve ANY success at Ali will also reimburse your airfare- if you can't then the Airfare is on you but I'll still cover room and food- and I won't require 1000 rolls- just 50 of your rolls have to have better success then my 50 rolls without setting
No longer hiring, don’t ask because I won’t hire you either
February 3rd, 2016 at 8:32:40 AM
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Quote: WizardofnothingHow bout a better offer- I'll put you up in Vegas during the wov meet up- pay for food and hotel/ if you can achieve ANY success at Ali will also reimburse your airfare- if you can't then the Airfare is on you but I'll still cover room and food- and I won't require 1000 rolls- just 50 of your rolls have to have better success then my 50 rolls without setting
I'll take that offer. I once rolled 29 times until I sevened out. BBB is my witness!
February 3rd, 2016 at 9:26:36 AM
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Be honest. Nobody brags about how they can control the dice without intending to show off. And is it conceivable that someone would purchase a craps table, put it in their home, and practice throwing the dice without being interested in making money playing craps in a casino? I have a real hard time believing that.Quote: dicesitterI am not ignoring you, I just have no interest at all in your money, the wizards money or showing off. I am just an old fart playing craps.
Wait -- you've spent seven years practicing your throw on your own craps table and you think I'm the one who thinks this stuff is important?Quote:But it has become clear to me you think this stuff is more important than I do.
Advantage isn't something you feel, it's something you calculate. If you have the ability to throw a 7 every 3rd roll and you're not a winning dice player, you're definitely betting wrong. Just hopping a 3-way 7 for $1 each (plus the requisite line bet) would make you over $200/hour. If you can't arrive at that figure independently, you should divert some of your dice-throwing practice time to learning how to crunch the numbers instead.Quote:I have no problem with the idea that your much younger and better at the math of the game than I am. In that regard, I have been trying some thing different at home in terms to the level of betting I apply to the areas where I feel I have an advantage. It has been eye opening to say the least.
But the fact that you're worried about running out of money on your impending road trip tells me that, deep down, you know your dice-throwing results aren't as good as you've been implying.
So with that, enjoy your vacation.
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice."
-- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
February 3rd, 2016 at 12:09:29 PM
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Math
Don't be silly.
I have fished for over 60 years, I have had 8 fishing boats, the last one
cost 40 times as much as my craps table. I have bowled since I was 20,
my bowling balls cost much more than my craps table, golf, I don't even
want to talk about that. My hunting and fishing trips last year were
over $9000. Craps is the least costly thing I like to do.
I have done all those things for 50-60 years and that is ok, but if I spend
much less money and some time, that cant be just because I like the game.
dicesetter
Don't be silly.
I have fished for over 60 years, I have had 8 fishing boats, the last one
cost 40 times as much as my craps table. I have bowled since I was 20,
my bowling balls cost much more than my craps table, golf, I don't even
want to talk about that. My hunting and fishing trips last year were
over $9000. Craps is the least costly thing I like to do.
I have done all those things for 50-60 years and that is ok, but if I spend
much less money and some time, that cant be just because I like the game.
dicesetter
February 3rd, 2016 at 12:42:12 PM
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I'm not faulting you or anyone else for engaging in a not-for-profit hobby. I'm a sax player, I understand spending time on practice and money on equipment without expecting to make a profit. I've just never known anyone to consider "throwing dice" to be a hobby in the same vein as making music, bowling, or going fishing. If you throw dice for the same reason you fish or bowl, that's just fine, but you're the only one.
Every other person who's ever discussed how and why to practice throwing dice on a regulation craps table is concerned only with beating the game in a casino. Not a single one of the books or seminars on the topic has touted dice throwing as a fun, leisurely hobby suitable for whiling away an afternoon in your basement. On the contrary, they are all selling one premise: by throwing the dice a certain way, you can gain the edge over the casino. None of them are right, so far as anyone has been able to verify, but that's what they're selling.
Every other person who's ever discussed how and why to practice throwing dice on a regulation craps table is concerned only with beating the game in a casino. Not a single one of the books or seminars on the topic has touted dice throwing as a fun, leisurely hobby suitable for whiling away an afternoon in your basement. On the contrary, they are all selling one premise: by throwing the dice a certain way, you can gain the edge over the casino. None of them are right, so far as anyone has been able to verify, but that's what they're selling.
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice."
-- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
February 3rd, 2016 at 12:55:56 PM
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I recall all the work Ahigh devoted to the dice setting issue: in house craps table, good video equipment, many tapings of his attempts to influence the dice.
My guess is that he approached it as an experiment: can it be done?
I think Aaron approached it as an empirical, intellectual exercise to satisfy himself whether it's possible; no doubt had dice setting proven viable he'd have then tried to reap a profit from the hapless Las Vegas casinos via dice setting.
My guess is that he approached it as an experiment: can it be done?
I think Aaron approached it as an empirical, intellectual exercise to satisfy himself whether it's possible; no doubt had dice setting proven viable he'd have then tried to reap a profit from the hapless Las Vegas casinos via dice setting.
"What, me worry?"
February 3rd, 2016 at 4:41:05 PM
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Math
This has gone on long enough, if you want to know why I have such an
interest in this I will tell you, but not on here.... my number is
dicesetter
This has gone on long enough, if you want to know why I have such an
interest in this I will tell you, but not on here.... my number is
dicesetter
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February 3rd, 2016 at 4:42:43 PM
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Mrv
Ahigh worked his butt of on this and his table and all cost a good
deal of money. Now ahigh and I have never been on the same page,
maybe my fault maybe his.... but no matter, he put in a great deal
of effort.
dicesetter
Ahigh worked his butt of on this and his table and all cost a good
deal of money. Now ahigh and I have never been on the same page,
maybe my fault maybe his.... but no matter, he put in a great deal
of effort.
dicesetter
February 3rd, 2016 at 7:04:43 PM
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Dice, I'd love to call and discuss but wouldn't do it without permission, second you may want to remove the number to avoid spam bots and possibly someone using it for the wrong reason
No longer hiring, don’t ask because I won’t hire you either
February 3rd, 2016 at 8:23:53 PM
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Quote: SOOPOOI'll take that offer. I once rolled 29 times until I sevened out. BBB is my witness!
It's true. The California. April 2014. 7 or 8 of us were there. The officially counting boxman (there was a Golden Arm competition going on) was clicking off every roll.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
February 3rd, 2016 at 8:33:29 PM
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Wizard
Thanks for the note, you certainly can call anytime.
dicersetter
Thanks for the note, you certainly can call anytime.
dicersetter
February 3rd, 2016 at 10:13:12 PM
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Yes he did, but he was up front about wanting to know whether the game was beatable so he could make money. You've indicated that making money isn't a driving force in your effort to control the dice, but I don't understand how that makes sense in light of the years you've allegedly devoted to the pursuit.Quote: dicesitterMrv
Ahigh worked his butt of on this and his table and all cost a good
deal of money. Now ahigh and I have never been on the same page,
maybe my fault maybe his.... but no matter, he put in a great deal
of effort.
If you want to discuss it privately, feel free to PM me.
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice."
-- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
February 4th, 2016 at 7:51:26 AM
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Math
Hold on a sec. I said Ahigh put some money into this and spent a great deal
of time at his table. That has nothing to do with trying to develop a shot
that is repeatable and can get an edge.
You cant just stand at your table and throw the dice for hours and have them
hit the table bounce all over it, almost back to you and expect to get an edge.
Ahigh was 100% random, not because he lacked effort, he lacked training.
There are many good players and classes in the country that teach you how to
develop a shot that can be repeated and one that limits the randomness of the
dice. Now I don't believe any of them will just like that work for anyone, you have to take
all this information and find a shot that fits you. A person with long thin fingers
will have a much better chance of getting a real good PARR or GTC shot than some
one like me. Your hand structure dictates much of what you can do.
Ahigh refused to do that, he thought he was better than anyone else that had
developed a shot. Well, he was not better, none of us are, and if we are smart
we either seek out those that are better, or get lucky and run into some one
that is better and for what ever reason is willing to share some things with you.
No I wont PM you, I understand why I did it, your the one that wanted to know.
dicesetter
Hold on a sec. I said Ahigh put some money into this and spent a great deal
of time at his table. That has nothing to do with trying to develop a shot
that is repeatable and can get an edge.
You cant just stand at your table and throw the dice for hours and have them
hit the table bounce all over it, almost back to you and expect to get an edge.
Ahigh was 100% random, not because he lacked effort, he lacked training.
There are many good players and classes in the country that teach you how to
develop a shot that can be repeated and one that limits the randomness of the
dice. Now I don't believe any of them will just like that work for anyone, you have to take
all this information and find a shot that fits you. A person with long thin fingers
will have a much better chance of getting a real good PARR or GTC shot than some
one like me. Your hand structure dictates much of what you can do.
Ahigh refused to do that, he thought he was better than anyone else that had
developed a shot. Well, he was not better, none of us are, and if we are smart
we either seek out those that are better, or get lucky and run into some one
that is better and for what ever reason is willing to share some things with you.
No I wont PM you, I understand why I did it, your the one that wanted to know.
dicesetter
February 4th, 2016 at 8:16:51 AM
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Wha?
No one is any better, but I should seek out those that are?
Did I read that?
No one is any better, but I should seek out those that are?
Did I read that?
Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
February 4th, 2016 at 8:21:19 AM
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Two
So your suggesting a guy or gal that throws the dice off the table every other
roll, and one that limits the bounce after the dice hit the table are the same.
That would be like saying a guy that picks up a golf club and hits every ball onto
another fairway is the same as a guy that keeps the ball in the middle of the
fairway.
Is that what your saying????
dicesetter
So your suggesting a guy or gal that throws the dice off the table every other
roll, and one that limits the bounce after the dice hit the table are the same.
That would be like saying a guy that picks up a golf club and hits every ball onto
another fairway is the same as a guy that keeps the ball in the middle of the
fairway.
Is that what your saying????
dicesetter
February 4th, 2016 at 8:25:32 AM
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When he wrote that "none of us are," I assume he was talking about us mere mortals.
No, you need to seek out Gambling Gods, the Unrolled Rollers.
In him comparing golf to craps, he is comparing incomparable things: golf is a game of skill, craps is a game of chance.
No, you need to seek out Gambling Gods, the Unrolled Rollers.
In him comparing golf to craps, he is comparing incomparable things: golf is a game of skill, craps is a game of chance.
"What, me worry?"
February 4th, 2016 at 8:56:55 AM
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My apologies, I should defer to the experts. Hopefully you will never see my 'golf shot' ;-)Quote: dicesitterTwo
So your suggesting a guy or gal that throws the dice off the table every other
roll, and one that limits the bounce after the dice hit the table are the same.
That would be like saying a guy that picks up a golf club and hits every ball onto
another fairway is the same as a guy that keeps the ball in the middle of the
fairway.
Is that what your saying????
dicesetter
Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
February 4th, 2016 at 9:01:16 AM
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Quote: dicesitterThere are many good players and classes in the country that teach you how to develop a shot that can be repeated and one that limits the randomness of the dice.
No, not as far as anyone's actually been able to prove. I understand that you'd want to believe in all that, having spent seven years practicing your own shot, but you're no different than any other attempted dice controller. You spend all sorts of money and time on trying to change the behavior of casino dice without ever learning how to tell whether you've succeeded. In your particular case, rather than using legitimate statistical techniques you rely instead on anecdotes like "I threw 10 times with one set, then threw another 10 times with a different set and the results were different, so I was controlling the dice." That might seem like strong evidence to you but, objectively, it's not.
What's especially interesting is that you keep posting about it here, on a gaming-math-heavy forum, despite your repeated disavowal of any interest in money or showing off. Others have offered to help you analyze your throw data, and I've even offered to hire you for a significant amount of money if you actually have the goods. You've declined all of those offers, presumably because you're worried -- as you should be -- that if someone were to quantitatively investigate your alleged dice control abilities, they'd find out it's all just in your head.
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice."
-- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
February 4th, 2016 at 9:30:33 AM
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math
your right, it is all in my head. I spent the last three days getting ready for my trip.
I have tossed over 50 hands in the last three days. There are three basic sets which
enable your outcome to be exposed to 2 ways to make a 7 instead of 4. Now
within those, you need to find out which works better for you.
I have found any combination of the 2v set I lose on average $95 per hand, with a
starting bet of $133 ( depending on pass line number)
I have found two combinations of the 3v set gets me an average of $192 profit
per hand.
Now you would say, I understand that even though you threw 50 hands and interchanged
when you threw the different sets, it was all variance.
I say, damn I wish I was that smart.
dicesetter
your right, it is all in my head. I spent the last three days getting ready for my trip.
I have tossed over 50 hands in the last three days. There are three basic sets which
enable your outcome to be exposed to 2 ways to make a 7 instead of 4. Now
within those, you need to find out which works better for you.
I have found any combination of the 2v set I lose on average $95 per hand, with a
starting bet of $133 ( depending on pass line number)
I have found two combinations of the 3v set gets me an average of $192 profit
per hand.
Now you would say, I understand that even though you threw 50 hands and interchanged
when you threw the different sets, it was all variance.
I say, damn I wish I was that smart.
dicesetter
February 4th, 2016 at 9:36:51 AM
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Quote: MathExtremistNo, not as far as anyone's actually been able to prove. I understand that you'd want to believe in all that, having spent seven years practicing your own shot, but you're no different than any other attempted dice controller. You spend all sorts of money and time on trying to change the behavior of casino dice without ever learning how to tell whether you've succeeded. In your particular case, rather than using legitimate statistical techniques you rely instead on anecdotes like "I threw 10 times with one set, then threw another 10 times with a different set and the results were different, so I was controlling the dice." That might seem like strong evidence to you but, objectively, it's not.
What's especially interesting is that you keep posting about it here, on a gaming-math-heavy forum, despite your repeated disavowal of any interest in money or showing off. Others have offered to help you analyze your throw data, and I've even offered to hire you for a significant amount of money if you actually have the goods. You've declined all of those offers, presumably because you're worried -- as you should be -- that if someone were to quantitatively investigate your alleged dice control abilities, they'd find out it's all just in your head.
Well now. That is not the nicest post I ever read. I understand the frustration, it's hard to quantify dreams and magic. But I find DiceSitter to be "different" rather than "no different" than all the rest. Mostly nice, a breath of fresh air compared to some. If 'it's all just in his head', I'm OK with that. If it's not, I'm OK with that too. I hope we all cross paths one day, and roll some dice...
Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
February 4th, 2016 at 9:41:21 AM
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Quote: dicesitterI have found two combinations of the 3v set gets me an average of $192 profit
per hand.
Eureka!
The Holy Grail!
Time to bet heavy and fire for effect.
Let us know how it goes.
"What, me worry?"
