Bad unbalanced dice and the casinos would never cheat!
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Well Harley, has been called every name in the book, by our so-called experts that sell on-axis DI classes. They all say that casinos would never cheat because they would lose licenses and that everyone that worked there would have to be in on it! So there are no bad or cheap dice in the casinos!
Well I only have one word for all of them and that is VOLKSWAGEN!
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/24/opinions/tellado-volkswagen-scandal/
when casino cheats, especially with a bad dice, customers can win, and they can win big.
The Patriots cheat too: so what?
Statistically, a lot of married folk cheat: so what?
Back to the drawing board for you, superrick.
I beat you to it in the VW thread.Quote: superrickBad unbalanced dice and the casinos would never cheat!
Well Harley, has been called every name in the book, by our so-called experts that sell on-axis DI classes. They all say that casinos would never cheat because they would lose licenses and that everyone that worked there would have to be in on it! So there are no bad or cheap dice in the casinos!
Well I only have one word for all of them and that is VOLKSWAGEN!
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/24/opinions/tellado-volkswagen-scandal/
I still amazes me that the dice are biased but no one can find a way to exploit it.
If a roulette wheel was biased the roulette experts would crush it.
If a VP machine was gaffed VP players would exploit it.
If the keno balls were weighted people would beat it.
you get the point.
But the "craps experts" they just want to lose money as long as it's fair dice.
It shouldn't me a morality issue if the casino is using unfair dice they should be fair game. If you really want to expose them.... BEAT THEM. They will quickly get some fair dice to avoid getting punished.
ZCore13
Quote: superrickBad unbalanced dice and the casinos would never cheat!
Well Harley, has been called every name in the book, by our so-called experts that sell on-axis DI classes. They all say that casinos would never cheat because they would lose licenses and that everyone that worked there would have to be in on it! So there are no bad or cheap dice in the casinos!
Well I only have one word for all of them and that is VOLKSWAGEN!
Well that proves it, without a shadow of doubt! That gizmo stuck inside that v-dub? Miniaturized version inside of the dice! Magnets under the table, special dice, only for fight nights and Saturday nights. They will also recognize when you lay the 4 or 10, that Hoover Dam 6/1 will only show after 1/3 AND 4/6. No sir, we will all lose!
Axelwolf +1
Quote: AxelWolfI beat you to it in the VW thread.
I still amazes me that the dice are biased but no one can find a way to exploit it.
If a roulette wheel was biased the roulette experts would crush it.
If a VP machine was gaffed VP players would exploit it.
If the keno balls were weighted people would beat it.
you get the point.
But the "craps experts" they just want to lose money as long as it's fair dice.
It shouldn't me a morality issue if the casino is using unfair dice they should be fair game. If you really want to expose them.... BEAT THEM. They will quickly get some fair dice to avoid getting punished.
this post doesnt "quite" make sense...
i have seen a great many posts on this forum and others by purported DIers allowing that they in fact DO look for clues to unfair dice and DO in fact make efforts to exploit just that...and often further claiming success in the endeavor...
now don't misunderstand: i personally don't think that anyone can influence the dice but, as we all know, many assert the ability and my point is only that the above post is just "off base" with the idea that no one is trying to exploit unfair dice...
admittedly a minor point...and...hmm...in re-reading your post, you do say "no one can find a way to exploit it"...now there i would agree with that but the general "tone" is that no one is even "trying" and that is not the case...lol...like i said, "a minor point"...
"tom "home runs are sometimes boring" p
-g. geist: but, sir, all of your posts, your points are "minor"
--tom p: o, stfu!
Can you show me them posts? Hopefully the posts are by a few of our biggest biased dice crew.Quote: betwthelinesthis post doesnt "quite" make sense...
i have seen a great many posts on this forum and others by purported DIers allowing that they in fact DO look for clues to unfair dice and DO in fact make efforts to exploit just that...and often further claiming success in the endeavor...
Testing will include all of the basic tests include spinning and I'll even videotape as many "random rolls" that you say will definitely prove that the dice are not properly balanced.
I will not alter any test results, but will edit the video for time meaning I will compress the video and remove "non action" video that doesn't impact the results of the test.
My TV show runs a half-hour. If you have the proof and it takes longer than one half hour to prove the dice are not balanced and I agree -- I will run the complete video over two shows, or three shows, or four shows.
But you must present the unbalanced dice from a casino first. And obviously they must be original, unaltered casino dice.
Eyewitness accounts, recordings made at casino tables, logs of rolls are not what I am looking for. I want the actual off balance dice.
How could you prove they haven't been tampered with by the conspirators?Quote: AlanMendelsonWould someone please present to me an unbalanced die from a casino so that I can videotape it being tested. I promise to put the video on my TV show.
Testing will include all of the basic tests include spinning and I'll even videotape as many "random rolls" that you say will definitely prove that the dice are not properly balanced.
I will not alter any test results, but will edit the video for time meaning I will compress the video and remove "non action" video that doesn't impact the results of the test.
My TV show runs a half-hour. If you have the proof and it takes longer than one half hour to prove the dice are not balanced and I agree -- I will run the complete video over two shows, or three shows, or four shows.
But you must present the unbalanced dice from a casino first. And obviously they must be original, unaltered casino dice.
Eyewitness accounts, recordings made at casino tables, logs of rolls are not what I am looking for. I want the actual off balance dice.
How then would a seeming investigative journalism piece about unbalanced dice fit into the programming theme?
Do you have complete control over all programming content such that you can in fact pull it off, or are you simply offering something conditionally, believing all the while that the condition cannot be fulfilled?
I want the die/dice because obviously I am going to have it tested too.
What about them giving you a stick of dice from the same manufacturer?
Do these birds claim that the dice come unbalanced from the mfr, or do they believe that the nefarious casinos deliberately alter balanced dice to make them unbalanced?
Quote: AxelWolfstill amazes me that the dice are biased but no one can find a way to exploit it.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out how to exploit biased dice.
If most shooters are going out after only a few rolls, just bet the table minimum on the don't and lay heavy odds.
If you see a bunch of 7s & 11s during the come out, bet the minimum on the pass line too.
I recently played at an ice cold table with extremely biased dice... only 2-3 points were getting hit per hour, LOL
I was amazed I was the only Dark Side player since the entire table was getting slaughtered.
It's unfortunate I didn't bring enough to lay 20x odds that night.
Quote: AlanMendelsonWould someone please present to me an unbalanced die from a casino so that I can videotape it being tested. I promise to put the video on my TV show.
Testing will include all of the basic tests include spinning and I'll even videotape as many "random rolls" that you say will definitely prove that the dice are not properly balanced.
I will not alter any test results, but will edit the video for time meaning I will compress the video and remove "non action" video that doesn't impact the results of the test.
My TV show runs a half-hour. If you have the proof and it takes longer than one half hour to prove the dice are not balanced and I agree -- I will run the complete video over two shows, or three shows, or four shows.
But you must present the unbalanced dice from a casino first. And obviously they must be original, unaltered casino dice.
Eyewitness accounts, recordings made at casino tables, logs of rolls are not what I am looking for. I want the actual off balance dice.
It would be great if any or all of those dice schools would let you film some of their magic. Have you ever offered to help them prove [even if faces weren't shown] that what they are selling [dovetails nicely with "best buys"] is actually real and not a scam?
I like to set and throw, it is part of the illusion of easy money from gambling. Although DI is a farce, it seems like many of the dealers and supervisors somehow believe in it. Any toss that just looks nice and happens to come up a winner ignites the crews superstition and the the angst or "heat" begins, ruining the game.
No one is going to prove that di is real, maybe you could prove that it is not so the combative nature of the staff will go away where it belongs.
I set the dice in Laughlin the other day and threw and had to listen to a dealer tell me for the next fifteen minutes about dice cheaters and dice schools and how anyone setting the dice was a criminal trying to cheat. Ruined the game for me.
So how would a big casino procure biased dice? Have them made under an NDA? Would they modify them themselves? If they ever get caught with them on the table they could claim there was a switch made by a player, the real risk would be getting caught ordering or modifying them .
Btw, I'm not saying there are or are not used, just curious about it
They could call the NGC. Or they could do what we did back in the 1970s when we stood our ground against an unjust war and took over administration buildings and blocked buses with draftees -- we broke the law and waited for the police to haul us away. Maybe these "experts" who know the dice are unbalanced will want to grab the dice off the table and wait for the police to come? Then the dice will be held as evidence.
