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DoubleOrNothing
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July 20th, 2015 at 3:11:51 PM permalink
Quote: ShineyShine

If so, where are the memoirs, the 'tell all' books by retired dealers that have made their millions?


Only EB's? Lol.
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MathExtremist
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July 20th, 2015 at 8:08:56 PM permalink
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Eat it up because you ain't getting nothing at the casinos. If you have nothing to lose, than any loss hurts. And you're full of meaningless confessions.

That was excellent gibberish. Prove to me that you're not a Markov chain sentence generator.
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July 20th, 2015 at 10:10:01 PM permalink
Quote: ShineyShine

Just to be clear too, i would never cheat, even if i could somehow learn this.



http://www.shouselaw.com/nevada/cheating-gambling.html

Before ANYONE runs afoul of the law, please consider that even DISCUSSING things that relate to cheating can, in and of itself, be against the law.
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MathExtremist
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July 20th, 2015 at 10:26:23 PM permalink
I'm not a lawyer but I can't believe that's the case. There's a big difference between conspiracy and simply having a discussion. Discussing "Eudaemonic Pie" and potential improvements to the computer they used cannot possibly be a crime, even though such a computer could be used to cheat. I'm pretty sure that in order for that to be criminal, someone would need to not only build the computer but actually take steps to use it to cheat. Carrying a roulette computer through a casino is, by itself, not a crime. Neither is telling the roulette dealer that you have a roulette computer, though that may get you backroomed...
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July 20th, 2015 at 11:17:00 PM permalink
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Clocking is different than sector shooting. Clocking is done by players, sometimes in cahoots with dealers, by using orbital mechanics to identify the trajectory of the ball as it decays. This has already been proven to work in a casino using computers; that's one of the reasons you can't use computers in casinos. See Thomas Bass, "Eudaemonic Pie"

Sector shooting is what you're talking about. You only need to be able to avoid 3 pockets to turn the game positive for the players, assuming they know what those three pockets are. Are you saying that after 10,000 spins as a trained dealer, if you were to set the wheel in motion with a certain force and release the ball from the same spot with a certain force, you have exactly zero control over where the ball ends up? Here's a guy who gets the ball within 10 numbers of 0 three times in a row, the last exactly on zero. It's only three spins but if it's not a complete anomaly, you could make a killing with a confederate if you can target half the wheel and avoid the other half.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7I6eFIDUYG4



Not sure i'm buying that without further evidence. Has it been verified? Has there been controlled tests over hundreds or thousands of spins to confirm that this dealer (or others) can hit a section like that? It would be fairly easy to record a few spins where you hit the same section and then number, especially with editing.

If it is for real, consider my mind officially blown. And i'll also consider myself a complete failure of a Roulette dealer that i'm not a millionaire by now if this is possible!

I'm not sure what you're asking about being verified.

I suggest you search Jafco roulette on You Tube. Here's one video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvKDHjucEaE

This makes guy makes that other guy look like an idiot. If IRCC Jafco has some amazing videos. Could there be trickery or major video cherry picking? Perhaps, but I suggest you watch some of his videos.

Roulette and DI shouldn't be compared.

It's been proven people can gain an advantage on roulette
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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July 21st, 2015 at 4:46:08 AM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

I'm not a lawyer but I can't believe that's the case. There's a big difference between conspiracy and simply having a discussion. Discussing "Eudaemonic Pie" and potential improvements to the computer they used cannot possibly be a crime, even though such a computer could be used to cheat. I'm pretty sure that in order for that to be criminal, someone would need to not only build the computer but actually take steps to use it to cheat. Carrying a roulette computer through a casino is, by itself, not a crime. Neither is telling the roulette dealer that you have a roulette computer, though that may get you backroomed...



You don't want to learn this one the hard way!

http://law.justia.com/codes/nevada/2013/chapter-465/statute-465.085/

Specifically #3:

AND -- the penalties.

http://law.justia.com/codes/nevada/2010/title41/chapter465/nrs465-088.html
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July 21st, 2015 at 5:32:36 AM permalink
Dealers ability to hit the sectors can be used to player's advantage. You "force" the dealer to hit the sector needed and your accomplice, the whale, places a large bet on sector's numbers.
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July 21st, 2015 at 7:43:22 AM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

You don't want to learn this one the hard way!

http://law.justia.com/codes/nevada/2013/chapter-465/statute-465.085/



"3.  It is unlawful for any person to instruct another in cheating or in the use of any device for that purpose, with the knowledge or intent that the information or use so conveyed may be employed to violate any provision of this chapter."


I'm pretty sure that qualifies as a "specific intent" crime, where the only way you could be convicted is if the DA can prove that you intended your students to cheat or that they likely would at least try. So you and I can discuss building a roulette computer with a smartwatch without running afoul of any laws, even if we intend to test it out on your home roulette wheel and publish a paper about it. But if someone then contacts you about building their own because they want to use it in Reno, talking to that person would be problematic.

If it were otherwise, every author of books on cheating (or even game protection) would be guilty of many, many felonies...
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July 21st, 2015 at 8:09:18 AM permalink
Just as dice setting, if it actually worked, would be cheating.

A dice setter intentionally tries to alter the outcome to a non-random result.
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July 21st, 2015 at 8:14:19 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

Just as dice setting, if it actually worked, would be cheating.

A dice setter intentionally tries to alter the outcome to a non-random result.

I've wondered this for years. Cheating is a felony in Nevada, but so is just attempting to cheat. If you think dice setting alters the odds and you try to do it, why isn't that a crime? And under the same theory, why isn't it a crime to teach dice setting seminars?
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