Quote: thecesspitJust to bring it back for old times sake - {facepalm}
"I can do Math, but I choose to do it wrong in case I get accused of being right?" What a complete joke of a response. MathE -> I'd just stop bothering if I were you, you can go to a Cirque show if you want to see unfunny clowns.
Yeah, that jumped the shark quickly, didn't it? I'm not sure what I was really expecting in the alternate. Someone who actually cares about evaluating their progress would keep better records and make a decent attempt at quantifying it. Our esteemed colleague is more interested in intuition than numeracy. I wish him success in the sportfishing tournament, though. He should have no problem especially if he uses the fish call technique:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUusX1Js6R0
I do admire the creativity in suggesting that he can influence the dice to roll sideways exactly 90+180*N degrees. That's new.
I slo-pitch. I'm not very good, but I have a enough feel to know a 'good' pitch when it leaves my hand, and not when it hits mat. I know I'm not consistent, and my pitch varies. I also know I am 200% more accurate than 3 years ago, just from the stats we keep on the team. So I get 'not being on your game' some days. But the excuses I hear from DIs are a joke, and nothing like the way other dexterity skilled performers talk. Or even Blackjack counters 'I was on top of my game, cards came out badly for me'.
I never hear DIs says "I was throwing well, but couldn't hit the point'. (AHigh may have made such a statement in the past, I just don't recall it). It's always being of their game. I can throw 6 back corner pitches in a row (sometimes). Doesn't stop a good batter hitting it deep into Centre Field... where it's the fielders problem :)
And you're right, if someone can't distinguish between a good throw and a bad throw, their records are useless. Jumbling everything together and looking at the overall results doesn't tell you the actual degree of influence (if you have one at all). It's not that complicated if you think about it clearly, but clear thinking seems in short supply with the sort of people who would spend years practicing dice tossing without being able to measure their results.
Quote: thecesspitI slo-pitch. I'm not very good, but I have a enough feel to know a 'good' pitch when it leaves my hand, and not when it hits mat. I know I'm not consistent, and my pitch varies. I also know I am 200% more accurate than 3 years ago, just from the stats we keep on the team. So I get 'not being on your game' some days. But the excuses I hear from DIs are a joke, and nothing like the way other dexterity skilled performers talk. Or even Blackjack counters 'I was on top of my game, cards came out badly for me'.
When you pitch is there a wall above the batter that when it hits it, it takes it off it's original line and pushed the ball randomly in another direction? :)
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13When you pitch is there a wall above the batter that when it hits it, it takes it off it's original line and pushed the ball randomly in another direction? :)
ZCore13
Nope. My point isn't that you could DI. My point is that a good 'throw' is based on the departure, and you should 'know' without seeing the result. In fact, yes, if you stuck a wall to bounce the pitch off and it randomised it, I'd still, after time, know if I was throwing against the spot I'd decided was the place I want to place the ball.
And have you seen cricket? Bounces of a surface that can cause the flight of the ball to change (though great bowlers will try to hit the cracks in the wicket to get that deviation, and change of flight). Guess what, those guys know a good delivery even if it takes an unexpected bounce... the right line and length.
I offered a challenge before. "Call it in the air" Said DI can call it in the air (or before any die comes to a stop) GOOD OR BAD. I will only count the rolls he believes to be good. This should significantly show results and speed up the process. Can someone explain why this wouldn't work? I can, because DI does NOT work. DIs balm variance when they think they had a good toss but get bad results, DI's say their shot was off when their numbers are not coming up. DI's claim skill when the dice come up how they wanted.Quote: thecesspitNope. My point isn't that you could DI. My point is that a good 'throw' is based on the departure, and you should 'know' without seeing the result. In fact, yes, if you stuck a wall to bounce the pitch off and it randomised it, I'd still, after time, know if I was throwing against the spot I'd decided was the place I want to place the ball.
And have you seen cricket? Bounces of a surface that can cause the flight of the ball to change (though great bowlers will try to hit the cracks in the wicket to get that deviation, and change of flight). Guess what, those guys know a good delivery even if it takes an unexpected bounce... the right line and length.
Sure if its obvious the dice went off track they will note it. That's just to make everyone believe they are being honest. They will only admit the obvious to make themselves believe they are being honest with themselves.
Either the dice stay on axis or they don't. If they don't, don't count the roll as "good."
With dicesitter's technique, he apparently wants the dice to turn sideways 90 degrees. I'm not sure how he expects that to happen, but the same test applies. How often does that happen when you throw the dice and how often does it not happen? What's the success rate? It has nothing to do with the outcome of the dice, nothing to do with the number of rolls between 7s, but everything to do with whether the dice physically move the way you intend. Can you influence the dice to move non-randomly some percentage of the time or can you not? It's that simple.
If you can't articulate a cogent theory of how you're going to make the dice move -- which ultimately will involve avoiding certain kinds of movement -- then you can't possibly keep track of how successful you are in achieving those results. The folks who are doing nothing other than looking at the final outcome on each die are wasting their time.
Their number is legion.
Quote: MrVAh, the innumerates.
Their number is legion.
But their numbers are absent.
Anyway the first day for walleye pre fishing went pretty good.. I sure as don't hell don't want to
tell you how we did it because you would find some fault with that as well, maybe want 50 hours of
on the water video. Laughing.... but then again you may not have invested $60,000 in a boat, to have a
clue as to what we are doing.
Hell you may not even have a craps table.
Anyway after reading your last post above I see this stuff is way over your head, You appear to still be talking
about keeping both dice on axis, you may have read to much about that on a GTC web site.
There are significant benefits to the stuff I showed you the other day.... if a player can control the axis finish on
1 die consistently, which I can do, the potential for certain bets is very good such as a 1,2,3 bet... With your
outstanding knowledge of the math of craps I am sure you know what that is. Even taking the first sample of
the isolation of 6/1/1/6 and a 40% movement to the x axis from z provides several opportunities for the come out
roll where certain bets in combination do not require the right die to show similar movement to still be a very good bet.
Now I understand your still back in the dark ages of dice control by asking a player to call his shot in the air. Fifty
hours would a long time standing shouting numbers. I imagine for fishing I would have to stand up and holler
24" walleye before my bait hits the water. But think about this, calling an axis finish while the dice are being thrown
with 40% accuracy is far better than you and others suggest is required to get an advantage.
You may well want to get a table and learn to throw to understand how this works. Maybe if you just worked
50 additional hours for a couple of weeks you could afford one.
In the mean time I will be out on the water again wasting my time.
Dicesetter