Cleaned house with the Iron Cross

Buy-in was $3K my last session and I made a killing.

I bet $100 on the field, $150 on the 5, $180 on the 6, and $180 on the 8 only when my ESP told me there would be no 7.

Brackets indicate when I had my IC bets working...

[11]
5,[6],[5]
[8],[5],10,[10],10,8
[8],5,[5],[3],6,[9],7
4,[8],[12],8,[7]
[9],[10],6,4,[6],7
11
[6],[4],[9],7
9,[6],[11],[11],10,7
10,[3],[9],[11],7
[8],[6],[9],[7]
7
9,[6],6,[6],[5],9
[6],7
7,3
4,[6],7
6,[9],9,7
[9],[6],[9]
8,[10],7
[5],[9],[6],7
[6],4,4,[12],[8],6
[5],6,[9],7
[11],11
4,8,[4]
[6],[11],11,7
[6],[8],7
6,[10],[6]
[4],[10],9,10,[9],[4]
[8],10,10,[5],[4],7
[5],[5]
10,[11],[6],[9],12,4,6,[10]
[9],[10],4,[9]
[5],4,7
8,[6],12,[11],[8]
[6],7
11
[5],7
[10],6,11,[8],[9],[7]
[11]
[8],[3],[5],[10],4,[4],7
5,[9],6,[12],[5]
[9],[7]
[9],7
[4],9,[9],7
7,3,7,7
10,[9],[2],[2],[8],7
11
[9],[12],7
[9],[9]
[10],[10]
6,[8],[3],[8],11,5,6
[9],[5],[6],6,[8],7
[8],[10],6,7

hook me up with your ESP!

Not sure if I am reading your stats right. Are you saying that you did not lose a single bet during the course of your session?

Quote: Avincow

Not sure if I am reading your stats right. Are you saying that you did not lose a single bet during the course of your session?

Never mind, I see 4 bets where you lost. Ok yea I can believe this post then. Nice job!

Quote: odiousgambit

hook me up with your ESP!

Once I improve my ESP to the point where I can consistently win 95% of my IC bets (compared to the expected 83%), I may offer ESP Iron Cross consulting sessions on craigslist exclusively to high rollers.

Your betting system has nothing to do with your results. You win when table is "hot", in other words, players don't seven out right away. Wait till the game will turn into an opposite direction, you'll loose your shirt with your iron cross, titanium shoe, uranium hat and golden tooth.

Quote: Dicenor33

Your betting system has nothing to do with your results. You win when table is "hot", in other words, players don't seven out right away. Wait till the game will turn into an opposite direction, you'll loose your shirt with your iron cross, titanium shoe, uranium hat and golden tooth.

No doubt you'll lose your shirt with the IC if you mindlessly bet on every roll when the table is cold, but you can usually avoid disaster by betting only once or twice per shooter when the table turns ice cold.

Quote: drjohnny

No doubt you'll lose your shirt with the IC

You should have written nothing more than that....should'a quit while you were ahead.

Everyone knows the best craps system is to play dont pass and load up placing the numbers on the rigt side. That way you always get paid! Its like a steel cross (tm djatc)

Quote: djatc

Everyone knows the best craps system is to play dont pass and load up placing the numbers on the rigt side. That way you always get paid! Its like a steel cross (tm djatc)

The steel cross is vastly inferior. As a former Dark Side player who used to bet big on the don't, I've gotten crushed plenty of times during the come out. I once lost 6 straight come out bets when the shooter kept rolling 7/11.

Yeah and wait until you start getting on a table where shooter after shooter is hitting tons of points and hardly any numbers

I had a system where I bet $75 on the don't, a $15 hop the 7's for the come out roll only, and $81 across. I had three consecutive wins of over $1,000 the first three times I tried it. Every other time I tried it afterwards I got crushed. People would roll 2 points and hit maybe one number and I'd loose my $75 don't pass twice and most of my $81 across.

Quote: Dicenor33

Your betting system has nothing to do with your results. You win when table is "hot", in other words, players don't seven out right away. Wait till the game will turn into an opposite direction, you'll loose your shirt with your iron cross, titanium shoe, uranium hat and golden tooth.

Agree. Looks like the 7's ratio was closer to 1 in 6.9 than to its normal 1 in 6. Just hot rolls.

Somebody analyze this for:
7's ratio,
avg. roll length
Horn numbers versus their natural frequency
repeating winning "box" numbers (what if they were betting come bets instead of IC)

Quote: Paigowdan

Agree. Looks like the 7's ratio was closer to 1 in 6.9 than to its normal 1 in 6. Just hot rolls.

How did you get 6.9?

The SRR I got was 202/33 = 6.12

I only consider a table "hot" if many shooters are getting 10 rolls or more before sevening out.

Quote: drjohnny

How did you get 6.9?

The SRR I got was 202/33 = 6.12

looks like a perfect # of 7s rolled to me
the ev = 33 2/3 (202/6)

33 occured
perfect
standard deviation = 5.3 abouts
perfect

what more is wanted than perfection?

114 bets were made and 4 lost
88 rolls were not bet on

not impressed
do this 100 times and show a profit
then I buy in with $5 million

what casino was this done at so i can verify the session?

Mully

added:


the Horn #s


some say maybe these #s are made up
could be, could be from the casino too

i use intervals to see how close they are to a distribution
abouts 51.77% of the Horns roll in the first 4 rolls = ev = 15.5
was 15, hmmm
abouts 60% roll in the first 5 rolls = ev = 18
huh... looks to be 18 exactly
10% roll after 13 rolls so ev = 3
huh

looks too sweet
like me!

Quote: drjohnny

The steel cross is vastly inferior. As a former Dark Side player who used to bet big on the don't, I've gotten crushed plenty of times during the come out. I once lost 6 straight come out bets when the shooter kept rolling 7/11.

My point is it doesnt matter, you lose thehouse edge on every roll. Unles you stand on your head for 10 seconds screaming hail satan before every roll.

Quote: djatc

My point is it doesnt matter, you lose thehouse edge on every roll.

hahahahaha
in my opinion
no one at all cares about YOUR point when it comes to craps
fair enough!

buts
thank you for that opinion that is absolutely not correct.


"you lose thehouse edge on every roll"
haha
funny stuff
maybe i get to 1400 posts here

you, in my opinion, do not know what you speak about when talking about craps
but that is OK because you are so funny
hahaha
hahaha
no lol

knock yourself out "djatc"

Quote: djatc

Unles you stand on your head for 10 seconds screaming hail satan before every roll.

Satan rules!

=========================
forgot to add the shooter data from drJ
=========================
shooter #1
cor 11,win (1,#)
cor 5,6,5,win (3,#)
cor 8,5,10,10,10,8,win (6,#)
cor 8,5,5,3,6,9,7,out (7,#)
shooter # 1 ** 17 roll hand **
4 # COR
2 # Point Wins
2 # Fire Bets
3,1 shooter score: pass,miss
9 # Place Hits

shooter #2
cor 4,8,12,8,7,out (5,#)
shooter # 2 ** 5 roll hand **
1 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,1 shooter score: pass,miss
2 # Place Hits

shooter #3
cor 9,10,6,4,6,7,out (6,#)
shooter # 3 ** 6 roll hand **
1 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,1 shooter score: pass,miss
4 # Place Hits

shooter #4
cor 11,win (1,#)
cor 6,4,9,7,out (4,#)
shooter # 4 ** 5 roll hand **
2 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
1,1 shooter score: pass,miss
2 # Place Hits

shooter #5
cor 9,6,11,11,10,7,out (6,#)
shooter # 5 ** 6 roll hand **
1 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,1 shooter score: pass,miss
2 # Place Hits

shooter #6
cor 10,3,9,11,7,out (5,#)
shooter # 6 ** 5 roll hand **
1 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,1 shooter score: pass,miss
1 # Place Hits

shooter #7
cor 8,6,9,7,out (4,#)
shooter # 7 ** 4 roll hand **
1 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,1 shooter score: pass,miss
2 # Place Hits

shooter #8
cor 7,win (1,#)
cor 9,6,6,6,5,9,win (6,#)
cor 6,7,out (2,#)
shooter # 8 ** 9 roll hand **
3 # COR
1 # Point Wins
1 # Fire Bets
2,1 shooter score: pass,miss
4 # Place Hits

shooter #9
cor 7,win (1,#)
cor 3,crap out (1,#)
cor 4,6,7,out (3,#)
shooter # 9 ** 5 roll hand **
3 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
1,2 shooter score: pass,miss
1 # Place Hits

shooter #10
cor 6,9,9,7,out (4,#)
shooter # 10 ** 4 roll hand **
1 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,1 shooter score: pass,miss
2 # Place Hits

shooter #11
cor 9,6,9,win (3,#)
cor 8,10,7,out (3,#)
shooter # 11 ** 6 roll hand **
2 # COR
1 # Point Wins
1 # Fire Bets
1,1 shooter score: pass,miss
2 # Place Hits

shooter #12
cor 5,9,6,7,out (4,#)
shooter # 12 ** 4 roll hand **
1 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,1 shooter score: pass,miss
2 # Place Hits

shooter #13
cor 6,4,4,12,8,6,win (6,#)
cor 5,6,9,7,out (4,#)
shooter # 13 ** 10 roll hand **
2 # COR
1 # Point Wins
1 # Fire Bets
1,1 shooter score: pass,miss
5 # Place Hits

shooter #14
cor 11,win (1,#)
cor 11,win (1,#)
cor 4,8,4,win (3,#)
cor 6,11,11,7,out (4,#)
shooter # 14 ** 9 roll hand **
4 # COR
1 # Point Wins
1 # Fire Bets
3,1 shooter score: pass,miss
1 # Place Hits

shooter #15
cor 6,8,7,out (3,#)
shooter # 15 ** 3 roll hand **
1 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,1 shooter score: pass,miss
1 # Place Hits

shooter #16
cor 6,10,6,win (3,#)
cor 4,10,9,10,9,4,win (6,#)
cor 8,10,10,5,4,7,out (6,#)
shooter # 16 ** 15 roll hand **
3 # COR
2 # Point Wins
2 # Fire Bets
2,1 shooter score: pass,miss
9 # Place Hits

shooter #17
cor 5,5,win (2,#)
cor 10,11,6,9,12,4,6,10,win (8,#)
cor 9,10,4,9,win (4,#)
cor 5,4,7,out (3,#)
shooter # 17 ** 17 roll hand **
4 # COR
3 # Point Wins
3 # Fire Bets
3,1 shooter score: pass,miss
7 # Place Hits

shooter #18
cor 8,6,12,11,8,win (5,#)
cor 6,7,out (2,#)
shooter # 18 ** 7 roll hand **
2 # COR
1 # Point Wins
1 # Fire Bets
1,1 shooter score: pass,miss
1 # Place Hits

shooter #19
cor 11,win (1,#)
cor 5,7,out (2,#)
shooter # 19 ** 3 roll hand **
2 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
1,1 shooter score: pass,miss
0 # Place Hits

shooter #20
cor 10,6,11,8,9,7,out (6,#)
shooter # 20 ** 6 roll hand **
1 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,1 shooter score: pass,miss
3 # Place Hits

shooter #21
cor 11,win (1,#)
cor 8,3,5,10,4,4,7,out (7,#)
shooter # 21 ** 8 roll hand **
2 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
1,1 shooter score: pass,miss
4 # Place Hits

shooter #22
cor 5,9,6,12,5,win (5,#)
cor 9,7,out (2,#)
shooter # 22 ** 7 roll hand **
2 # COR
1 # Point Wins
1 # Fire Bets
1,1 shooter score: pass,miss
2 # Place Hits

shooter #23
cor 9,7,out (2,#)
shooter # 23 ** 2 roll hand **
1 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,1 shooter score: pass,miss
0 # Place Hits

shooter #24
cor 4,9,9,7,out (4,#)
shooter # 24 ** 4 roll hand **
1 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,1 shooter score: pass,miss
2 # Place Hits

shooter #25
cor 7,win (1,#)
cor 3,crap out (1,#)
cor 7,win (1,#)
cor 7,win (1,#)
cor 10,9,2,2,8,7,out (6,#)
shooter # 25 ** 10 roll hand **
5 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
3,2 shooter score: pass,miss
2 # Place Hits

shooter #26
cor 11,win (1,#)
cor 9,12,7,out (3,#)
shooter # 26 ** 4 roll hand **
2 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
1,1 shooter score: pass,miss
0 # Place Hits

shooter #27
cor 9,9,win (2,#)
cor 10,10,win (2,#)
cor 6,8,3,8,11,5,6,win (7,#)
cor 9,5,6,6,8,7,out (6,#)
shooter # 27 ** 17 roll hand **
4 # COR
3 # Point Wins
3 # Fire Bets
3,1 shooter score: pass,miss
7 # Place Hits

shooter #28
cor 8,10,6,7,out (4,#)
shooter # 28 ** 4 roll hand **
1 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,1 shooter score: pass,miss
2 # Place Hits

shooter #29
cor

waiting!

Sally rules!
ROAR!!

Another session for Sally to analyze!

My ESP was a bit off this session as I got hit 11 times, but I was still able to make good profit...

[10],[9],[5],11,9,[5],7
7,3
4,[8],[8],6,5,[6],8,[4]
[10],[3],[5],9,6,[3],5,5,[5],7
8,7
[4],5,7
7
9,[12],[8],[8],4,7
9,[7]
[9],2,[5],7
[5],[5]
10,8,[11],[6],3,[3],7
8,[6],[7]
[4],[5],[6],7
7
5,[9],[7]
[6],[9],6
[6],[5],9,7
[6],7
5,7
[8],[4],6,10,[9],[5],7
[8],[6],[5],9,7
[5],[12],9,8,[3],[12],5
7
9,[2],7
[5],[7]
[3],7
5,[3],[6],9,12,[11],[9],4,5
[5],[5]
[2]
8,8
[9],[12],[8],[2],[7]
11
4,[5],[8],[9],5,6,[8],[9],9,6,[5],[6],[8],[6],[8],[8],[12],[4]
5,[6],[8],[6],[7]
[6],[5],5,5,[7]
[6],[6]
9,7
[10],4,4,[10]
[12],3
[9],[4],[2],[8],10,4,[7]
[5],7
3
[6],3,[5],8,[5],[12],10,3,[10],[5],9,4,[12],[3],[9],[7]
[5],12,[6],[3],8,[2],[7]
[9],7
[10],9,[6],4,[2],8,[8],[8],5,4,[3],[10]
[6],[11],7
[12]
10,7
[6],[6]
[5],[5]
[11]
6,[6]
[8],[9],[4],[5],7
[8],[7]
[8],7
[10],[11],[10]
[5],[10],9,[9],[5]
4,[8],[8],8,[8],[8],[4]
[4],7

I'm confused...

Isn't an iron cross when you buy an OTM put and OTM call, and sell an ATM put and call?


Your first session would have killed me. Second session I would have cleaned up nicely.

You would have gotten murdered with this system at the tables I was at the last 2 nights! Each night they went around the table and nobody could hit a number.

Quote: guitarmandp

You would have gotten murdered with this system at the tables I was at the last 2 nights! Each night they went around the table and nobody could hit a number.

I've gotten this system to work at ice cold tables. If everyone is managing only a few rolls before sevening out, I'll limit my betting to only once or twice per shooter.

Quote: guitarmandp

You would have gotten murdered with this system at the tables I was at the last 2 nights!

so what
you only know two guitar chords too?

one or two session results says nothing about a craps system, especially one that uses a persons ESP talent

all that matters is the wins $$$ out pace the lose $$$
simple stuff

Quote: guitarmandp

Each night they went around the table and nobody could hit a number.

so you made a few $$Million on that table
good for u

you are always winning big, so you say, on the dpass
except when you win big on the pass and numbers

so again if you missed it the first time
good for you

how about a video of your play (and you) getting slaughtered in a session because of your poor bet selections?
i love those the best

post it on youtube
maybe it is your new cash cow
hope so too
Sally

Quote: drjohnny

I've gotten this system to work at ice cold tables. If everyone is managing only a few rolls before sevening out, I'll limit my betting to only once or twice per shooter.

just what it takes to be a winner

the play min 3 hour and win 10X your buy-in is
just so funny

some are winners like you and me

most all others (in the other column) are losers
(sore losers, the worst kind but most entertaining)

your 2nd session u posted from WCPro

shooter #1
cor 10,9,5,11,9,5,7,out (7,#)
shooter # 1 ** 7 roll hand **
1 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,1 shooter score: pass,miss
4 # Place Hits

shooter #2
cor 7,win (1,#)
cor 3,crap out (1,#)
cor 4,8,8,6,5,6,8,4,win (8,#)
cor 10,3,5,9,6,3,5,5,5,7,out (10,#)
shooter # 2 ** 20 roll hand **
4 # COR
1 # Point Wins
1 # Fire Bets
2,2 shooter score: pass,miss
12 # Place Hits

shooter #3
cor 8,7,out (2,#)
shooter # 3 ** 2 roll hand **
1 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,1 shooter score: pass,miss
0 # Place Hits

shooter #4
cor 4,5,7,out (3,#)
shooter # 4 ** 3 roll hand **
1 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,1 shooter score: pass,miss
1 # Place Hits

shooter #5
cor 7,win (1,#)
cor 9,12,8,8,4,7,out (6,#)
shooter # 5 ** 7 roll hand **
2 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
1,1 shooter score: pass,miss
3 # Place Hits

shooter #6
cor 9,7,out (2,#)
shooter # 6 ** 2 roll hand **
1 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,1 shooter score: pass,miss
0 # Place Hits

shooter #7
cor 9,2,5,7,out (4,#)
shooter # 7 ** 4 roll hand **
1 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,1 shooter score: pass,miss
1 # Place Hits

shooter #8
cor 5,5,win (2,#)
cor 10,8,11,6,3,3,7,out (7,#)
shooter # 8 ** 9 roll hand **
2 # COR
1 # Point Wins
1 # Fire Bets
1,1 shooter score: pass,miss
2 # Place Hits

shooter #9
cor 8,6,7,out (3,#)
shooter # 9 ** 3 roll hand **
1 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,1 shooter score: pass,miss
1 # Place Hits

shooter #10
cor 4,5,6,7,out (4,#)
shooter # 10 ** 4 roll hand **
1 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,1 shooter score: pass,miss
2 # Place Hits

shooter #11
cor 7,win (1,#)
cor 5,9,7,out (3,#)
shooter # 11 ** 4 roll hand **
2 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
1,1 shooter score: pass,miss
1 # Place Hits

shooter #12
cor 6,9,6,win (3,#)
cor 6,5,9,7,out (4,#)
shooter # 12 ** 7 roll hand **
2 # COR
1 # Point Wins
1 # Fire Bets
1,1 shooter score: pass,miss
3 # Place Hits

shooter #13
cor 6,7,out (2,#)
shooter # 13 ** 2 roll hand **
1 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,1 shooter score: pass,miss
0 # Place Hits

shooter #14
cor 5,7,out (2,#)
shooter # 14 ** 2 roll hand **
1 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,1 shooter score: pass,miss
0 # Place Hits

shooter #15
cor 8,4,6,10,9,5,7,out (7,#)
shooter # 15 ** 7 roll hand **
1 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,1 shooter score: pass,miss
5 # Place Hits

shooter #16
cor 8,6,5,9,7,out (5,#)
shooter # 16 ** 5 roll hand **
1 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,1 shooter score: pass,miss
3 # Place Hits

shooter #17
cor 5,12,9,8,3,12,5,win (7,#)
cor 7,win (1,#)
cor 9,2,7,out (3,#)
shooter # 17 ** 11 roll hand **
3 # COR
1 # Point Wins
1 # Fire Bets
2,1 shooter score: pass,miss
2 # Place Hits

shooter #18
cor 5,7,out (2,#)
shooter # 18 ** 2 roll hand **
1 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,1 shooter score: pass,miss
0 # Place Hits

shooter #19
cor 3,crap out (1,#)
cor 7,win (1,#)
cor 5,3,6,9,12,11,9,4,5,win (9,#)
cor 5,5,win (2,#)
cor 2,crap out (1,#)
cor 8,8,win (2,#)
cor 9,12,8,2,7,out (5,#)
shooter # 19 ** 21 roll hand **
7 # COR
3 # Point Wins
2 # Fire Bets
4,3 shooter score: pass,miss
5 # Place Hits

shooter #20
cor 11,win (1,#)
cor 4,5,8,9,5,6,8,9,9,6,5,6,8,6,8,8,12,4,win (18,#)
cor 5,6,8,6,7,out (5,#)
shooter # 20 ** 24 roll hand **
3 # COR
1 # Point Wins
1 # Fire Bets
2,1 shooter score: pass,miss
18 # Place Hits

shooter #21
cor 6,5,5,5,7,out (5,#)
shooter # 21 ** 5 roll hand **
1 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,1 shooter score: pass,miss
3 # Place Hits

shooter #22
cor 6,6,win (2,#)
cor 9,7,out (2,#)
shooter # 22 ** 4 roll hand **
2 # COR
1 # Point Wins
1 # Fire Bets
1,1 shooter score: pass,miss
0 # Place Hits

shooter #23
cor 10,4,4,10,win (4,#)
cor 12,crap out (1,#)
cor 3,crap out (1,#)
cor 9,4,2,8,10,4,7,out (7,#)
shooter # 23 ** 13 roll hand **
4 # COR
1 # Point Wins
1 # Fire Bets
1,3 shooter score: pass,miss
6 # Place Hits

shooter #24
cor 5,7,out (2,#)
shooter # 24 ** 2 roll hand **
1 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,1 shooter score: pass,miss
0 # Place Hits

shooter #25
cor 3,crap out (1,#)
cor 6,3,5,8,5,12,10,3,10,5,9,4,12,3,9,7,out (16,#)
shooter # 25 ** 17 roll hand **
2 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,2 shooter score: pass,miss
9 # Place Hits

shooter #26
cor 5,12,6,3,8,2,7,out (7,#)
shooter # 26 ** 7 roll hand **
1 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,1 shooter score: pass,miss
2 # Place Hits

shooter #27
cor 9,7,out (2,#)
shooter # 27 ** 2 roll hand **
1 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,1 shooter score: pass,miss
0 # Place Hits

shooter #28
cor 10,9,6,4,2,8,8,8,5,4,3,10,win (12,#)
cor 6,11,7,out (3,#)
shooter # 28 ** 15 roll hand **
2 # COR
1 # Point Wins
1 # Fire Bets
1,1 shooter score: pass,miss
8 # Place Hits

shooter #29
cor 12,crap out (1,#)
cor 10,7,out (2,#)
shooter # 29 ** 3 roll hand **
2 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,2 shooter score: pass,miss
0 # Place Hits

shooter #30
cor 6,6,win (2,#)
cor 5,5,win (2,#)
cor 11,win (1,#)
cor 6,6,win (2,#)
cor 8,9,4,5,7,out (5,#)
shooter # 30 ** 12 roll hand **
5 # COR
3 # Point Wins
2 # Fire Bets
4,1 shooter score: pass,miss
3 # Place Hits

shooter #31
cor 8,7,out (2,#)
shooter # 31 ** 2 roll hand **
1 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,1 shooter score: pass,miss
0 # Place Hits

shooter #32
cor 8,7,out (2,#)
shooter # 32 ** 2 roll hand **
1 # COR
0 # Point Wins
0 # Fire Bets
0,1 shooter score: pass,miss
0 # Place Hits

shooter #33
cor 10,11,10,win (3,#)
cor 5,10,9,9,5,win (5,#)
cor 4,8,8,8,8,8,4,win (7,#)
cor 4,7,out (2,#)
shooter # 33 ** 17 roll hand **
4 # COR
3 # Point Wins
3 # Fire Bets
3,1 shooter score: pass,miss
8 # Place Hits

shooter #34
cor
waiting

i liked shooter #20 and #25

Roll data from my last several sessions:

6,[11],[11],6
3
[8],[9],[5],7
[3]
5,[5]
7
10,[4],[7]
[5],7
[5],[8],[6],9,[12],8,[10],11,7
[6],[4],[7]
[9],[8],6,[2],[8],9
[8],10,[9],5,3,7
3
4,[4]
[6],[9],10,[7]
[3]
[8],7
7
[6],[4],[10],[5],[12],10,7
[8],[8]
4,[9],[7]
[3]
[5],[12],4,[2],5
[8],[9],[5],7
[8],[6],[8]
7,3,7
10,[3],[10]
[6],[4],[5],2,9,[7]
7,2
8,7
[5],6,[9],[5]
12
[10],[6],[8],[8],[10]
12
[4],[2],[10],[8],[7]
[6],[5],8,[8],5,[9],5,[6]
[9],[8],[3],[7]
[12],[11]
[10],[10]
12,[12],[3]
[5],[10],6,6,[2],7
[8],[7]
[10],[3],6,[4],6,[10]
[11]
[8],[5],[4],[6],7
[10],6,7
[11]
8,[5],[3],[11],8
[8],[12],[6],[5],7
[6],[4],9,5,[9],[12],[11],[4],7
[10],[10]
[8],[3],4,11,[4],[8]
7
5,7
[6],[8],[6]
[9],[6],6,[6],8,8,[5],[10],6,[3],8,4,7
[8],6,[2],8
7,7
8,[8]
[8],[7]
8,9,[8]
[5],[9],[9],9,[9],7
[5],[7]
[4],4
[12],[11]
[6],[6]
8,8
7
[5],[2],5
[5],[7]
[5],8,[5]
12,7,7,11,7,[3]
4,[3],[12],7
[5],[9],[8],7
9,[10],[4],10,5,[10],[11],[12],[11],[9]
6,[10],[2],[11],6
7,7
8,[8]
[8],[2],[3],[11],7
[4],7
[7]
[9],10,7
[4],[10],9,[6],[4]
[6],[7]
[10],[5],8,[3],11,6,[11],7
[8],[6],[7]
[8],7
[6],11,[4],3,[4],7
[5],[6],4,3,[9],[6],6,11,8,10,[7]
[2],7,[11],7
[10],[8],[7]
7,7
[5],[6],[9],[4],[6],[10],8,[8],4,[6],5
[9],5,[8],[3],[6],9
7
4,5,[7]
[4],[4]
7,7
[10],[5],[6],[4],8,10
[3]
5,[6],4,7
[6],[5],[5],[6]
8,[9],[10],[8]
[2]
6,[3],5,10,[5],[8],9,[11],7
11
[6],[9],5,[6]
[9],7
5,9,[6],[9],10,[3],6,9,[8],[5]
8,[5],[6],8
12
[5],[7]
[5],7
[5],4,[6],[2],4,10,[9],10,7
[8],[5],[6],5,5,[6],[6],8
[5],[11],8,7
[6],[7]
[6],9,[8],6
[10],6,7
[5],[6],[8],9,[6],5
[8],[5],9,[4],2,6,[9],[10],7
7,7
8,7
10,4,[12],[4],7
[9],7
7
9,[5],10,[9]
[5],[9],[8],[3],[6],9,8,[3],[4],7
[10],[6],7
[9],[8],9
9,[11],[7]
7
5,7
7,7
8,[6],5,[11],[7]
[8],[9],7
10,7
[12],[3],7
[8],[6],8
7
4,[11],[6],11,[2],10,8,[8],[9],7
[5],[5]
3
[5],[8],[12],12,[5]
5,7
7
5,[6],10,[3],[6],[3],10,7
[4],[6],[8],5,5,[4]
8,[7]
[11]
4,[10],2,8,[5],[5],[8],6,[2],9,9,7
[9],[5],[6],9
[2],7,3
[10],[2],[9],8,7
[9],[7]
7
10,[2],[6],10
[8],10,[7]
[11],2
8,7
[4],7
[4],7
[5],7
[3]
[6],5,[8],6
[8],[8]
7
[5],[3],[7]
7,7
4,[4]
[4],3,7
[5],[10],[8],8,[5]
7
5,[8],[3],8,[2],9,[8],8,9,[4],8,[6],9,[8],[8],[4],[6],[8],[7]
7
9,5,[3],[9]
[6],[5],[8],[6]
4,8,[6],7
7
9,[8],[3],[11],[5],7
[8],[5],[7]
[3]
8,[7]
7
4,11,7
7
4,7
8,12,8
[6],[10],[7]
[3]
[8],[10],[4],7
[6],[11],[8],8,6
[6],[11],[6]
9,7
[8],[5],[8]
[8],[6],9,[5],9,7
[3]
5,[5]
[10],[9],[7]
7,2
8,[5],[6],3,6,[8]
[8],[9],[10],[8]
[8],[8]
10,4,[8],9,[3],[8],[9],[11],[11],11,7
[6],[11],[11],[2],4,[9],[5],9,11,[7]
[6],7
5,3,5
[9],[7]
[10],[5],5,[4],12,[5],9,4,[3],[6],6,[3],[6],[10]
7
4,[4]
11
4,12,[8],[11],[7]
[9],[10],[4],2,6,4,7
4,[6],9,[7]
7
9,7
5,[8],[11],12,[4],8,9,[6],[8],[7]
[9],[9]
[4],[8],[11],[4]
[9],10,8,[9]
[10],[8],[8],[11],6,[12],9,5,[8],[7]
[8],4,[9],9,[6],7
[8],[9],[4],[7]
[6],[3],7
[12],[12],[3],[12]
[5],[5]
[3]
[5],[7]
[6],[9],8,[5],8,7
7
[10],[9],[11],[6],7
[10],[6],6,[8],7
7
6,[6]
[3]
9,[6],[10],[9]
10,[6],2,[8],[6],2,[11],4,6,[6],[9],[5],[8],[7]
[4],7
[4],[6],7
[3]
[5],[7]
[8],5,5,[5],[3],[6],5,7
[10],[7]
7
[6],[11],9,[5],[5],4,9,[12],[9],2,7
[3]
[9],5,[6],10,9
[5],[10],[9],[3],7
[9],2,[8],[6],4,[5],9
4,7
[5],7
[6],8,[6]
9,[10],6,7
[8],[2],[8]
10,[6],[4],[9],3,3,[4],[5],7
[6],[2],8,11,[12],7
7,7
9,[5],[2],5,4,[2],[10],[8],[2],[8],[3],[4],[4],[5],[12],[2],[3],[3],[4],[5],[7]
[11]
[6],[9],[6]
[12]
[6],9,[8],9,[9],[5],7
[8],[3],8
8,[9],[5],7
[8],[9],[8]
8,8
[2]
8,[6],[8]
[7]
[10],[5],9,3,[10]
9,[9]
7
8,[8]
[7],7
8,[5],[9],[9],7
7
9,[6],[4],[8],3,12,[8],[6],8,6,[3],3,[8],[6],[9]
5,[7]
4,7
[9],9
[2]
[4],[4]
3,[3],7,[3],3,7
5,7
6,6
[10],6,10
[4],[5],[6],8,[7]
4,7
7
5,[5]
[8],[5],[7]
[6],[5],8,10,[9],[5],9,[6]
[10],7
[9],[5],[8],[11],7
7
[9],10,[4],[9]
[6],[3],[10],5,7
[10],[10]
[8],[8]
6,[9],[2],7
5,7
8,2,[7]
[6],[5],8,[12],[4],7
4,4
[8],5,[6],7
7
10,[9],[6],7
[7]
[6],[8],6
[8],[8]
4,7
10,9,5,[9],10
2,[11]
[8],[8]
[6],[8],6
[5],[9],[6],[8],8,6,[11],7
[5],[10],[3],[9],12,6,7
8,[10],[8]
[3]
[5],9,[5]
[6],[7]
7,3,7
4,7
[4],4
[7]
[4],[12],7
[10],2,8,[11],[8],6,[10]
[8],11,7
7
6,6
7
8,[11],[9],7
[4],[7]
7
[5],[8],9,9,[3],[4],10,[7]
[4],7
8,4,2,7
[8],[9],[3],[10],[7]
[8],7
7,3,7,7
10,[7]
7,7,7,3
[9],[8],7
[10],[5],7
[7],7,11
[6],[9],[10],[6]
[6],[6]
[10],[7]
[9],[5],11,6,7
5,7
[5],9,[4],9,[6],6,8,[4],7
[11]
[5],4,[6],[9],6,5
[5],[9],[4],[10],6,4,[3],11,[7]
[11]
[5],[6],7
[4],[9],[6],[8],[8],7
[8],[6],[10],3,7
[11]
[6],[7]
[9],7
5,[12],[5]
[9],[6],3,12,[8],[9]
7,7,7
9,[5],6,[3],9
4,[9],[5],[7]
[8],[4],2,[3],8
[5],5
[5],[11],[4],[6],6,11,[8],[11],2,7
7,7
5,[10],[12],7
7
5,[4],[3],[6],6,5
9,8,[5],8,[7]
[8],[3],[4],10,[6],12,[5],[8]
[8],[5],[5],10,12,[5],[10],7
[11]
[6],[6]
7
10,[11],[6],[7]
[6],[2],[2],[9],6
[12],[12]
[5],[6],8,5
[3]
8,[4],[10],6,[12],[11],7
[8],[12],[5],[9],11,5,[10],[6],10,[10],[6],[11],[10],[3],[7]
7
10,[6],[2],[9],12,7
7,7
10,[8],[10]
7,7
4,[2],[6],10,[9],[5],[7]
[5],[5]
[5],[9],[3],[11],[3],[5]
[10],[3],[5],[7]
[8],[7]
[8],[9],6,9,[2],[5],7
8,[8]
[10],[8],[6],[7]
[6],[9],[6]
7
[5],[2],[7]
7
6,[4],[8],7
[6],[11],7
[4],[11],[5],5,[5],7
[8],[5],[5],7
[4],[9],[3],[3],8,3,8,[10],6,4
[11],7
4,7
[5],[8],[5]
[11]
9,7
[8],7
[5],4,[9],11,[9],[7]
[6],[6]
[8],[5],[4],4,7
[3],7
4,[7]
[8],[8]
[11]
10,[8],8,[11],10
[6],[7]
[8],[8]
[8],[5],[4],5,[5],[10],4,9,[6],[9],6,[6],7
[6],8,[6]
[4],[8],[4]
[8],[4],5,3,[10],[9],5,[11],[10],[5],[5],[8]
8,[7]
[4],[6],9,[9],7
[9],[11],[5],[7]
7
[8],[8]
[9],[5],[9]
7
[6],11,[11],[3],[8],4,5,[8],[5],[6]
[6],[4],[8],4,10,[10],[11],10,9,[7]
[11]
[8],[7]
7,2,7
4,[5],[11],[12],[8],[4]
4,10,[9],[3],[11],[5],9,5,[4]
[2]
[10],8,[5],[10]
[2],[12]
[8],[8]
4,12,[4]
[11]
[6],[8],[12],8,[5],[9],[8],7
[8],[8]
[9],[12],[8],[11],11,11,[9],[7]
[3]
8,[5],[8]
7
6,7
[9],[8],6,[10],8,7

Expected IC hit rate = 834/1001 = 83.3%
Hit rate achieved via ESP betting = 925/1001 = 92.4%

Quote: drjohnny

Expected IC hit rate = 834/1001 = 83.3%
Hit rate achieved via ESP betting = 925/1001 = 92.4%

925-834=91 more than the mean, average or expectation

91/11.7910 (1 sd) = 7.7177508269018743109151047409041
the # of standard deviations away from the mean

the chance of this is quite small without ESP talent
looks about 1 in 169,262,017,603,250 (169 trillion)

correction was not used in the calculation

but,
your hit rate was way lower than average in 1 session
and you still made $10k
iirc

the casino must be going crazy by now
(unless this is all done on or in your bed)

Sally

Quote: mustangsally

the casino must be going crazy by now

I'm sure the casino ain't sweating my lowly black chip action since there are other players who bet my entire buy-in on a single box number.

One high roller who's a regular must be down in the millions since he normally likes to load up most or all of the numbers with orange chips without ever turning his bets off.

Quote: drjohnny

I'm sure the casino ain't sweating my lowly black chip action <snip>

the money is not what i mean

the constant off and on of your bets

does your ESP switch work that fast?
i am sure some mistakes are made.
you say on
and the dealer did not hear you

do you scream at them?

i would
Sally

Quote: mustangsally

the money is not what i mean

the constant off and on of your bets

does your ESP switch work that fast?
i am sure some mistakes are made.
you say on
and the dealer did not hear you

do you scream at them?

i would
Sally

Yeah, I scream and wave my hand if they don't hear me... LOL
I always tip the crew because I know they get annoyed with the constant BETS OFF!!!! BETS ON!!!!

Quote: mustangsally

91/11.7910 (1 sd) = 7.7177508269018743109151047409041
the # of standard deviations away from the mean

the chance of this is quite small without ESP talent
looks about 1 in 169,262,017,603,250 (169 trillion)

How did you come up with these numbers?

The odds of Pat DeMauro rolling 154 times before sevening out were 1 in 5.59 billion.
And that was only her second time playing craps.

Does laughing at you get me in trouble? I just hope there are any casinos with Craps tables left when you are done.

As I said, craps players are only 2nd to the crazy baccarat players.

Quote: drjohnny

How did you come up with these numbers?

the 91 should be easy
just your actual wins difference from the expected number of wins

the 1 standard deviation is from the
square root of N*P*Q
N=1001
p=success to win 5/6
q = 1-p

x=N*P*Q=139.0277778
square root (x)= 11.7910041

the z-score of 7.71 is then looked up or calculated to the value i got.
it is an approximation btw, but most times a good one

Quote: drjohnny

The odds of Pat DeMauro rolling 154 times before sevening out were 1 in 5.59 billion.

were 1 in 5.59 billion?
NO
the chances ARE 1 in 5.59 billion for any shooter to make that 154th roll in any hand

no DI has ever come close btw
I still hear a single Mom in Nevada the 1st week in April went out on her 163rd or 164th roll

my husband was there right as she won her first point, not from her first roll,
but the casino is a small one and the shooter wants no claim to any fame
as the story is
she was not supposed to even be in a casino!
could you imagine that!

maybe this will hit the big time news soon
Sally

oh o o
your data shows to me your ESP is first class
you should get a team togehter and a few million dollars bankroll to play

the casinos then will fear you
they love you now

Quote: mustangsally

I still hear a single Mom in Nevada the 1st week in April went out on her 163rd or 164th roll

my husband was there right as she won her first point, not from her first roll,

What are the chances of that?

1 in 21,169,926,149.24
1 in 24,545,588,904.60

here is a partial list

No, what are the chances your husband was there? : )

Quote: petroglyph

No, what are the chances your husband was there? : )

about the same i guess as he does not play that much craps except when he is with his friends

his boss was with him and his boss told me they were together those two hours or so
but i have not yet seen the photos of any this
maybe they have to Photoshop them B4 they be released

i was not with him at that casino i know that for sure
the chances of that is about 50%

I went over the roll data I've collected the past couple weeks and I had a total IC hit rate of 1382/1478 = 93.5%.

An IC player who bets on every single roll should have won only 1231 bets.

So I won 151 more bets than expected and my Z-score is 10.5, which is basically impossible for an IC player without any psychic abilities????

Quote: drjohnny

So I won 151 more bets than expected and my Z-score is 10.5, which is basically impossible for an IC player without any psychic abilities????

ESP is a talent
some have it and most want it

z-score 10.5

you are way to the right of almost everyone
on the curve that is

So how much is it gonna cost us to "develop" this talent? Similar to "The Method" and "The Strategy"?

Quote: DeMango

So how much is it gonna cost us to "develop" this talent?
Similar to "The Method" and "The Strategy"?

no think so

esp bet selection

DR J
has $58,560.00 in 98 lost bets when the ESP failed him (maybe) lose $610

i get an avg win when a win happens to be $114 2/3
$158,469.33 possible in winnings

net abouts $99,909.33
call that $100k

1/10 of the way to a cool $1Million

better than my intuition (a women's one that is)

Quote: DeMango

So how much is it gonna cost us to "develop" this talent? Similar to "The Method" and "The Strategy"?

We have to be realistic here... Most people won't be able to develop the ESP necessary to win with the IC, just like most people won't be able to develop an SRR of 10.3 like the one Frank Scoblete claimed in his Golden Touch DVD.

I plan on offering my ESP consulting services on craigslist exclusively to high rollers who can afford $6100 IC bets and a $50K buy-in.

It will be a much better deal than any betting system or DI class... If the high roller loses, I'll charge nothing and get him a nice steak dinner with the comps that the pit boss will offer us. If he wins, I'll take a 20% cut of his profit.