New Layout

As mentioned before, I volunteer at a private school that has frequent "Vegas Nights" for fundraising. We own all of our own tables and equipment.

Recently, a local person donated a 14' craps table and casino-quality roulette table/wheel to us. Both are in pristine condition and appraised at $24,700. Since we have different payouts and rules compared to a real casino, we must replace the layout on the craps table reflecting our rules and payouts.

Here is a screen shot of the new layout for the new craps table. This work is produced by UWear, Inc. in Vernon, California . They have produced dozens of layouts for us and their work is truly exceptional. I highly recommend them for anybody seeking to produce a professional layout for any game, either home or professional. http://www.uwearinc.com/index.html

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Here is a picture of the roulette ensemble--currently stored in my garage.

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That is going to make for a high-quality school casino night! What a nice donation

Actually, we'll only use this roulette ensemble at our smaller events. For our big 4-day event in the summer that is under a tent, we use these battleships. We built 2 of these, each 20' long for a total of 4 layouts.

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"Battleship"? Holy crap that thing's big! Looks good but I think the logo needs to be bigger. LOL

Quote: DJTeddyBear

"Battleship"? Holy crap that thing's big! Looks good but I think the logo needs to be bigger. LOL

We have the school logo (crest) on every one of our 50 tables, even "Big Six" wheel game. http://tinypic.com/r/2vb4t1l/8

The reason for the big roulette is simply to accommodate as many players as possible with the fewest amount of dealers. Each table will handle about 12 players on each side using only 3 dealers per table: one over each layout (right and left) and one over the wheel in the middle. That's 48 people using only 6 people and only 2 wheels. With a traditional-size table, to serve that many people, I would need 8 tables, 8 wheels and 16 dealers.

Your payouts on the center prop bets take the sucker bets to a whole new level. #nochancetowin

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Your payouts on the center prop bets take the sucker bets to a whole new level. #nochancetowin

When somebody puts down a $5 wager on boxcars, I have yet to have anybody gripe when I slide $100 in chips in their direction. :)

Quote: Riva

When somebody puts down a $5 wager on boxcars, I have yet to have anybody gripe when I slide $100 in chips in their direction. :)

Perhaps they would gripe if they knew they'd get $150 in a real casino.

Any 7 is looking pretty good right now.

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Perhaps they would gripe if they knew they'd get $150 in a real casino.

"It's not important that they know. It's only important that I know". lol

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Any 7 is looking pretty good right now.

When we designed the layout, we purposely did not shave the "any 7". Our players use it supposedly for "insurance" on their pass and place bets. Whereas, in fact, it's nothing more than a slow bleed.

Quote: Riva

"It's not important that they know. It's only important that I know". lol

Gonna speak up for Riva on this for the new guys. Yeah, the odds are not as good as in a real casino.

1. Riva has 4 days a year to make money for his school, and isn't open 24 hours, let alone 365 days/year.

2. All proceeds go to the school; all dealers/organizers/cashiers/concessionaires are volunteers.

3. It's supposed to make money for the school (and it does, based on what he's said in the past) while offering a fun way for people to donate, not provide for-profit earnings for a private concern.

4. Even with donated equipment and service people, he still has considerable overhead that he can't cost back against a year's income; he only gets that 4 days a year to pay for all of it - storage, rental trucks, felts, food suppliers, whatever.

5. People can and do go home ahead despite the bad pays, but the idea is to raise money for the school, so I would guess most people acknowledge that and only spend what they can afford to lose.

He mentions in this thread that there "are smaller events", so I guess that's a bit more income, no idea how much of the revenue for a year comes from smaller events. Not necessary for Riva to tell me, either, but I would guess the 4 day event is at least a majority of the fundraising.

I really think, in summary, that there is a significant and reasonable difference between what he's doing and other gaming. And I don't think they're misleading any of the patrons into thinking they're anything other than a non-profit fundraiser.

JMHO. YMMV.

Well, thank you for the very kind words.

And, you are about 99.9% correct in your assessment of our program.

There are several reasons why I still volunteer at this school 10 years after my own son graduated from the place.

The first is, they put out a very good product by teaching young men to go forward to lead an outstanding life. That's, in itself, is worth giving back to.

Secondly, while a lot of work, it is gigantically fun.

Third, while the event is staffed with volunteers, unless you have seasoned veterans having "tribal knowledge", we'd get plucked clean.

Perhaps my greatest frustration surrounding this whole thing is the regulations by the state of Michigan that limit the amount of chips that we can sell to players to $15,000 per-day. To me, this is maddening because we could easily sell 3-5 times that amount per day. When we reach the wager limit, typically very early on in the evening, people wont pay money to come in because they can't buy chips. This deprives us of valuable admission revenue.

Likewise, current players exit early because they can not buy more chips. This deprives us of valuable incremental gaming revenue.

Finally, when people do not come in and people leave early, they stop buying food and beverage thus, depriving us of valuable incremental concessions revenue. All this because of a wager limit that has not been increased in 15 years!

My goal this year is to work through the Michigan legislature to have the wager limit increase to $50,000 per day.