Question about craps/comps
I play craps a lot (probably too much) and get a generous amount of comps (actual chips/food/hotel). My wife plays penny slots with little old ladies and she gets a nominal amount of comps. We'd like to crank up our comps and I have a bright idea ;)
She buys in for a couple hundred at the craps table where I'm playing. I bet $50 on the pass and she bets $50 on the DP with $3 on the 12 every now and then on the come out. Lather, rinse, repeat for an hour or so. I'm thinking that we're both getting our play rated at $50/bet for comps with essentially no risk (or chance of winning).
What am I overlooking, if anything?
Quote: DicemanComethNew guy here and I couldn't find (or didn't look hard enough) an answer elsewhere on the WoV forums.
I play craps a lot (probably too much) and get a generous amount of comps (actual chips/food/hotel). My wife plays penny slots with little old ladies and she gets a nominal amount of comps. We'd like to crank up our comps and I have a bright idea ;)
She buys in for a couple hundred at the craps table where I'm playing. I bet $50 on the pass and she bets $50 on the DP with $3 on the 12 every now and then on the come out. Lather, rinse, repeat for an hour or so. I'm thinking that we're both getting our play rated at $50/bet for comps with essentially no risk (or chance of winning).
What am I overlooking, if anything?
You will accumulate less than $3 for every $3 you lose. If there are about 10 come out rolls per hour, you will lose about $30. Betting $50 with no inside action will get you far less than $30 an hour in comps.
Just most people, even on this board, don't know how to do it.
They also seem to miss the obvious, that your comps will be double whatever you play alone since your wife will also be rated separately.
Sorry, I won't elaborate how to do it. It's one of my trade secrets.
Quote: DicemanComethI'm thinking that we're both getting our play rated at $50/bet for comps with essentially no risk (or chance of winning).
What am I overlooking, if anything?
What you would be doing is perfect for the house, eliminating variance except on those bets on the 12, and why wouldn't they want to rate you for your play?
If you only make pass line bets, they can't make much money, true, but that should also correlate to not much comps. If you are getting good comps, you are getting over them for a reason I wouldn't mess with [yet I suspect they think you make middle table bets to give you good comps, do you?]
Quote: odiousgambitWhat you would be doing is perfect for the house, eliminating variance except on those bets on the 12, and why wouldn't they want to rate you for your play?
If you only make pass line bets, they can't make much money, true, but that should also correlate to not much comps. If you are getting good comps, you are getting over them for a reason I wouldn't mess with [yet I suspect they think you make middle table bets to give you good comps, do you?]
I get a monthly mailer that includes $300 to $350 in free chips (actual chips, no match play), $100 to $150 in food/merchandise, and hotel offers. I don't know the particulars of the hotel offers since my rewards level is such that my rooms are free anyway. My wife's offers are about 1/4 the value of mine. The goal is to increase the loot in the mailers, not the usual comps that you'd request on the spot. Perhaps "comp" isn't the term I should be using.
Most of my action is $15 to $30 pass line with 5X odds. Occasionally play the DP at $30 to $75, 3X odds. I might place up to $30 on the 6 and/or 8 occasionally. And that's about it.
It works!
BUT, you have to know how to do it.
Quote: DicemanComethI get a monthly mailer that includes $300 to $350 in free chips (actual chips, no match play), $100 to $150 in food/merchandise, and hotel offers. I don't know the particulars of the hotel offers since my rewards level is such that my rooms are free anyway. My wife's offers are about 1/4 the value of mine. The goal is to increase the loot in the mailers, not the usual comps that you'd request on the spot. Perhaps "comp" isn't the term I should be using.
Most of my action is $15 to $30 pass line with 5X odds. Occasionally play the DP at $30 to $75, 3X odds. I might place up to $30 on the 6 and/or 8 occasionally. And that's about it.
I once was over-comped at Craps, using EV I could demonstrate my comps were worth about double my theoretical. Alas, I had to move, and it was not the kind of comp dollars that would be worth a trip.
crunching some numbers and running out of time.
Do you play anything like 30 hours at the table per month? The mystery might be why your wife gets lousy comps, if you do.
@Darkoz: we get it, you ain't telling us... Two can play at this game. For myself, I can definitely say I have found out what that 'one weird trick is', that the internet ads are talking about!
Quote: odiousgambitI once was over-comped at Craps, using EV I could demonstrate my comps were worth about double my theoretical. Alas, I had to move, and it was not the kind of comp dollars that would be worth a trip.
crunching some numbers and running out of time.
Do you play anything like 30 hours at the table per month? The mystery might be why your wife gets lousy comps, if you do.
@Darkoz: we get it, you ain't telling us... Two can play at this game. For myself, I can definitely say I have found out what that 'one weird trick is', that the internet ads are talking about!
LOL, I'm not selling anything if that's what u r implying. It's one of those situations where I'm bursting to scream out how its done but can't because then the opportunity will dry up
I'm puzzled by anything about math, but usually the casino gives the best drink service to the slot players and the best comps to the slot players because most of the slot machines are eight to twelve percent house edge whereas craps players are 2.414 house edge, so that casino SHOULD be comping your wife more. Does she not use her card, does she not play for long, does she litterally use pennies?
Her mailers should be better than they are. You are probably capped out on the mailers since most casinos review those every three months... ie, your ACTION can get reflected fairly promptly but you get bumped up by CLASS of pre existing mailers.
Casinos often see teams of spouses doing some sort of wishy wash with promo coupons or Pass/Don'tPass betting. They don't care much usually. Its action to them whether you pretend not to know each other not. Now Big Table Baccarat is probably better. Large bets are there often and if you play at other ends of the table its less likely to be noted that Mr. Banker and Mrs. Player arrived about the same time and left about the same time. That can hike up comps but its usually at night and some people find baccarat about as exciting as that new reality show: Paint Watchers of America.
Quote: SOOPOOThe simple answer is.... try it, and tell us if it works at your casino!
The above is the best answer.
Mathematically speaking this should not help you, all you are doing is adding to your expected loss to get a comp that is supposedly worth less than what you're expected to lose. However, as you have eluded to, there may be a weakness in their mailer system you can exploit. However, let me add two things:
- Casinos have been known to look down on this kind of play, especially when someone using match play is involved. Just don't be sitting next to your wife and talking the whole time making exactly opposite bets.
- Keep in mind her game will be rather boring and she may garner hate from some of her neighbors.
