Craps Ettiquette - Mid Roll entry

Looking for comments on a situation encountered last night.

Background: Have played craps for 20+ years, buy-in for $2K, right-way player, relatively quiet, tip when ahead or after a big roll or the dealer 'saves' me in some way.

Situation: Walked up to a table, went to an open rail spot, corner spot, about 3 right of the stick. There were no other openings on this table and the other pits were full. The shooter was to my LEFT, two guys were to my right. The shooter was actually in the 1-spot, stick right, but was leaning over in a way that allowed him to do full arm lob but blocked the 2 spot. As soon as I stepped into the 3-spot, the guy to my right starts jabbering and telling me to 'back off', a hot roll was in progress. Note that I did not drop money, interact with the dealers, talk to anyone, put chips or hands on the rail, jostle, or talk to the shooter; my intent was to wait for the next resolution. To be honest, the shooter didn't even see me and was just doing his little dice ritual. (Lots of rerolling until a seven comes up AND THEN making his roll.)

Outcome: I just stood there, in the 3-spot, as I did intend to play but the guy's jabbering started to annoy me. I did not want to start roaming the floor looking for another dice pit opening, nor did I want to 'stand back' five-six feet where the guy to my right was trying to wave me to. The shooter 7'ed out at which point I threw my player card and cash down and proceeded to play. Needless to say, the guy to my right lit up and started trash-talking. (Shooter was oblivious, he was just reorganizing his chips.) I felt that the player to my right was just having a bad night or thought I was a flea so, but after listening to more of his whining, including a comment about 'where do these people come from' comment to the table, I couldn't ignore it any longer and we proceeded to 'exchange words'. (No yelling or cursing on my part.) This resulted in him shutting up and leaving by the time the dice got to me. The dealers were laughing, they knew me, but I felt like I could have handled it better.

Any suggestions as to how to politely tell someone that you're going to ignore their superstitions? (I grant that it's possible I was indeed violating some arcane etiquette but, at a certain level, I don't care, it's Saturday night and I came to play and the dealers didn't have a problem.)

You handled it just fine.

You kept quiet til the barking little dog got personal and directed his paranoid rant directly toward you, at which point you politely but firmly defended yourself, thereby shaming him to leaving; had he stayed at the table he feared that he'd have to endure more well-crafted attacks on his fundamental belief system.

Ah, craps.

It sounds like the other guy was going to be a jagoff no matter how you came to the table. If a table is crowded and in a roll I kind of just try to touch the rail with one hand and stay quiet. Sort of like putting your quarter on the Donkey Kong machine when someone was playing in the 1980s. Says, "I'm not trying to interrupt but I want to reserve my spot."

If at this point the guy is still being jerkey I would just state that I was trying to get on-deck for the next roll. If he is yet still being belligerent then not much you can do.

To me as long as you are not interrupting and trying to buy-in during a roll or doing something else plain stupid (e.g: lay a DP after an established point) then I see minimal problem.

Quote: gregorit

> tip when ahead or after a big roll or the dealer 'saves' me in some way.

That is fine, but if you START with a tip they may be more alert to saving you in some way.

>Walked up to a table, went to an open rail spot, corner spot, about 3 right of the stick
Ain't no "about" involved.... Dealer will refer to you as My Three or My Four but never "about". It goes by where your chip rack is, not by where your torso is or feet are.

> As soon as I stepped into the 3-spot, the guy to my right starts jabbering and telling me to 'back off',
If a dealer, stickman or boxman starts jabbering ... pay attention.

If another player starts jabbering at you as she undoes a few buttons and takes out her key card and points upwards to where the hotel rooms are located, pay attention.

Otherwise, don't pay any attention to other players. They will not redeem your losses if they anger or distract you and they are not the ones who pay you if you win.

A simple "I don't care" or "Okay?" always seem to work fine for me. Or come up with something creative.

From what you wrote you dId nothing wrong.

When I read reports like this I wonder what "the other guy" would say?

Personally I would stand back from the table rather than stand next to or be the player closest to the shooter. If the shooter swung his arm wide perhaps you did get in his space.

One rule I follow is never crowd the shooter. Its not superstition -- it's manners.

I wont buy in during a roll, and like Alan said I wont get to close to the shooter. I find as I get older I have a lot less patience
with people, and if the jerk that was mouthing off at me during the roll said something after the roll, I may comment that is would have
been nice if he had remained quite so the guy could roll.

Sadly the craps table is a reflection of life, people that are disrespectful on the table are just like that in other
areas of life.

I think you handled it about as well as you could.

Dicesetter

The guy was probably having a bad day (at the tables or otherwise) and was looking for any reason to mouth off. I had a very similar scenario happen to me. Just arrived at the casino one time (I have to travel, so I get a little excited until I'm working on that first shoe), noted that most of the tables were full, but spotted an open seat, at third base, on one table. The player to the immediate right was sitting in such a way that he was "flowing over" into the space where third base would sit, but he was NOT playing the spot. I moved behind the 3rd base chair with the intent of simply sitting down to observe, as well as to reserve my spot at 3rd for the next shoe, when I was met with an abrupt "Really man?!?, Really?!?" I ignored the troll, sat down, and observed as he blew through the remainder of his buy-in in the next few hands, after which, he got up and left. I, like you, will not buy-in while a game is in progress, unless invited to do so by other players. Think your etiquette is fine and you handled it fine.

A little off-topic but, when I was new to craps, I was experimenting with different rolls. Once in particular, I was throwing the dice real hard, where they would bounce around at the end of the table pretty good before coming to rest. I had seen some folks have some longer rolls like this, so gave it a try myself. After a few rolls, I sevened-out. A player to my right a couple of spaces stepped back and addressed me, "see what happens when you roll the dice too hard?" I just acknowledged his statement and went on with my game. Later, I thought of the perfect comeback - "Remind me, what's the last number you rolled?" Wish I had thought to say that at the time! Dammit, always think of good comebacks too late!

Oh well, I'm prepared for next time! Best of luck to all!

What's the last number you rolled?

Ahahahaaa! That's awesome. I'll definitely use it sometime.

I don't have a lot of craps experience but I think you handled yourself just fine, and the other guy was being an ass. You never know what happened before you got there; maybe the guy ahead of you on the corner WAS an interfering ass and the jagoff was being proactive (NO excuse, but possible they just ran a jerk off from there and you got the blowback). Short of that, I can't imagine what the guy to your right was thinking; maybe he was auditioning for hall monitor or something.

There was a spot; you didn't impede the game. As said above, you had every right to be there and violated no etiquette I'm aware of.

I guess we do know the last number rolled for each shooter

that makes for the perfect proposition bet !

Quote: odiousgambit

I guess we do know the last number rolled for each shooter

that makes for the perfect proposition bet !

Unless AHigh is at the table. He has said that he will make a point and then pass the dice.

As far as I'm concerned, between each roll of the dice you are entitled to cash in for chips or make any wagering you want. Once the dice are slid to the shooter keep your hands on the rail. If someone told me to wait to make a bet I would ignore them.

Thanks for all the feedback, I especially appreciated the "Quarter on the Donkey Kong" machine analogy. I must admit that this was the first time I've lost my cool over another player's comments, I know he was uncomfortable after the exchange. He was an experienced player but had terrible money management - seemed like he was betting 25% of his bankroll at a time. I feel a bit better. As this is a local casino that I frequent regularly that never has more than 4 pits open, I definitely don't want to burn any bridges or get a bad rep with the house or the other regulars.

Misc anecdote: I did have one other altercation this year but I know I was in the right. I was in the 1-stick right slot, which allows me to easily see all rolls, with the 2 and 3 slots open. A guy came up, wanted the 1-right spot that I was in, and asked if anyone minded if he joined the table, then proceeded to try to nudge me to my right with a "Thanks, let me get in HERE.". He actually bumped me! Very peculiar, I stood my ground and just politely indicated that there was plenty of space to my right. The guy and his Robin sidekick started to do the "Hey man, what's the big deal?" spiel, followed by some "WTF?" comments but the dealer spoke up and told them they were free to join IN THE OPEN SPOTS. Batman was grouchy for a while but I had a hot roll later that he made some money on so we eventually 'reconciled'. I'm glad, because I see him all the time now.

Quote: gregorit

Thanks for all the feedback, I especially appreciated the "Quarter on the Donkey Kong" machine analogy. I must admit that this was the first time I've lost my cool over another player's comments, I know he was uncomfortable after the exchange. He was an experienced player but had terrible money management - seemed like he was betting 25% of his bankroll at a time. I feel a bit better. As this is a local casino that I frequent regularly that never has more than 4 pits open, I definitely don't want to burn any bridges or get a bad rep with the house or the other regulars.

Misc anecdote: I did have one other altercation this year but I know I was in the right. I was in the 1-stick right slot, which allows me to easily see all rolls, with the 2 and 3 slots open. A guy came up, wanted the 1-right spot that I was in, and asked if anyone minded if he joined the table, then proceeded to try to nudge me to my right with a "Thanks, let me get in HERE.". He actually bumped me! Very peculiar, I stood my ground and just politely indicated that there was plenty of space to my right. The guy and his Robin sidekick started to do the "Hey man, what's the big deal?" spiel, followed by some "WTF?" comments but the dealer spoke up and told them they were free to join IN THE OPEN SPOTS. Batman was grouchy for a while but I had a hot roll later that he made some money on so we eventually 'reconciled'. I'm glad, because I see him all the time now.

You might want to, in a friendly way, have a don't-F-with-me-today body language. One of the negative aspects of human nature is for people to do what they think they can get away with. Don't let them think that around you.

There is one thing about No Mid Roll Entry in craps... its a rule the crew is not likely to enforce too strenuously particularly if its a slow and almost empty table. The casino wants players and wants those Buy-Ins.

Now I usually try to time things properly and if a space is available I take it and wait patiently for the shooter's roll to end but sometimes the dealer will invite a buy in while the dice are in the middle. Once I was so distracted that as I approached the table I just called out 300 coming when I was about a foot from the table and I'm reaching for my wallet. Quick glance from crew (tired of having one five dollar player at the table all night long) they see I have no chips but a wallet is slowly coming into view and suddenly the dice come back to center and there is a "negative pregnant" pause: wherein they indicate Okay, Jerk..you've rudely butted in because you are not paying attention but we sure ain't gonna turn away no player who just made a call bet for three hundred bucks. I mean just look at the boxman will you? He woke up!! So we are pausing the already interrupted game for you to get some chips since we sure ain't gonna book a call bet for you. So I buy in after somewhat belatedly realizing my faux pas at not really having looked at the puck or realized it was "red-light" status. Shooter didn't say anything, Dealers saw more money on the table during my buy in than they had seen for their entire shift and were hoping that at least some of it would wind up in their Tip Box.

So it was wrong for me to be so convinced about what that next roll would be that I excitedly barged into the game early but it was a no harm, no foul situation since the shooter, crew and casino sure didn't mind some fresh blood showing up at a near empty five dollar table. Shooter lost his five bucks anyway.

Quote: FleaStiff

There is one thing about No Mid Roll Entry in craps... its a rule the crew is not likely to enforce too strenuously particularly if its a slow and almost empty table. The casino wants players and wants those Buy-Ins.

Actually, the dealers won't enforce the rule because, um, ITS NOT A RULE!

Yeah, it's better ettiquite, but not a rule.

What's wrong with buying in during a roll? Favorite thing to do, besides laying the point.

But seriously....I find the "don't buy in during a roll" etiquette to be par with "don't join a mid shoe" on BJ. People just bitch because it "changes the flow of the cards" or "cools down the dice", both of which are complete nonsense.

Quote: RS

What's wrong with buying in during a roll? Favorite thing to do, besides laying the point.

But seriously....I find the "don't buy in during a roll" etiquette to be par with "don't join a mid shoe" on BJ. People just bitch because it "changes the flow of the cards" or "cools down the dice", both of which are complete nonsense.

If you are at a flower show you don't go around telling people that roses are complete nonsense. Many places that have no mid shoe entry at BJ have it to avoid teams that have card counters who signal a lurking Wandering Bettor.

Quote: FleaStiff

If you are at a flower show you don't go around telling people that roses are complete nonsense.

Okay. What's that gotta do with craps or superstition?

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Many places that have no mid shoe entry at BJ have it to avoid teams that have card counters who signal a lurking Wandering Bettor.

I'm aware. Bastards!

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I just called out 300 coming when I was about a foot from the table and I'm reaching for my wallet

umm, Fleastiff, you've got me wondering, what is your typical bet anyway? You may have to disown your WoV handle, get the Flea part removed [g]

do you add free odds?

or what did you mean anyway by "300 coming"?

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what did you mean anyway by "300 coming"?

I interpret it to mean "$300 come bet;" not "Give me $300 in chips."

RS


Not buying in the middle of a roll has nothing to do with superstition it has to do with respecting
others. I understand that is a concept which is hard to understand for some people.

Dicesetter

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Not buying in the middle of a roll has nothing to do with superstition it has to do with respecting
others. I understand that is a concept which is hard to understand for some people.

Really?

"Respecting others?"

No, savvy, experienced craps players know that many players are superstitious, and one of the big "no-no's" is to buy in mid-roll; god help you if the game is stopped while you buy in and the shooter sevens out the next roll: you'll get dirty looks and hear lamentations directed your way.

It isn't respect; it's the same mentality that blames a seven out on a stick change mid-roll, or a seven out on hitting someone's hand.

Superstition, not respect.

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RS


Not buying in the middle of a roll has nothing to do with superstition it has to do with respecting
others. I understand that is a concept which is hard to understand for some people.

Dicesetter

I've found it is mostly to do with superstition. Someone buys in in the middle of a roll. The next roll (or even a few rolls later) there's a 7-out and people blame the guy who just bought in for "causing" the 7-out, especially when it takes a little while buying the player in (buying in for a large amount).

In my experience, I've found that players rarely give attitude to others when they buy in mid-roll. It's almost always only after the 7-out that players start bitching.

Are they complaining because the guy bought in? If that's true, they would have complained before/during the buy in. Which they rarely do.
Or are they complaining because the next roll was a 7-out (and want to blame the player for "cooling the dice")?


It's superstition.

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or a seven out on hitting someone's hand.

Or the "it hit the chips!" or "because you didn't ask for the same dice, those were hot dice!" or "because you DID ask for same dice. a die that hits the ground isn't hot anymore!" or "dealer passed me the dice on a 7" [which 99% of the time is because the di(c)e flipped at the last second because they get caught on the felt or something] or "you were throwing them good, then you switched it up which is what caused a 7" or "don't throw the dice too hard, that's how you get a 7" or "that guy keeps putting his money in the field at the last second" [even though the dice never hit the player].

While it is completely based on superstition, the shooter is having a good time with it. Why would you want to spoil someone else's party? That is the disrespectful part, selfishly asserting your right to buy in, even if it means spoiling other's fun.

Quote: RS

I've found it is mostly to do with superstition. Someone buys in in the middle of a roll. The next roll (or even a few rolls later) there's a 7-out and people blame the guy who just bought in for "causing" the 7-out, especially when it takes a little while buying the player in (buying in for a large amount).

In my experience, I've found that players rarely give attitude to others when they buy in mid-roll. It's almost always only after the 7-out that players start bitching.

Are they complaining because the guy bought in? If that's true, they would have complained before/during the buy in. Which they rarely do.
Or are they complaining because the next roll was a 7-out (and want to blame the player for "cooling the dice")?


It's superstition.




Or the "it hit the chips!" or "because you didn't ask for the same dice, those were hot dice!" or "because you DID ask for same dice. a die that hits the ground isn't hot anymore!" or "dealer passed me the dice on a 7" [which 99% of the time is because the di(c)e flipped at the last second because they get caught on the felt or something] or "you were throwing them good, then you switched it up which is what caused a 7" or "don't throw the dice too hard, that's how you get a 7" or "that guy keeps putting his money in the field at the last second" [even though the dice never hit the player].

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Slightly off-topic:
Has anyone put a correlation between the types of people who regularly and primarily bet the field, they always pick up their field bet immediately after it gets paid, then they make a late bet in the field....every roll?

For me it is just simple courtesy.

If I am throwing, I am paying the casino and the dealers to follow their very own rules. On hitting someones hand that has them in the tub which is against "the rules" it is rude. If I had a partner with quick hands and eyes and when I threw they could bat the poor ones or tip the good ones, we would both be hauled away by security. If a high roller is pissed off by some flea tipping the dice, it will get straightened out right away. It isn't some superstition, fate, kharma or kismet. I am paying to play the game the way the rules are written, or change the rules for everyone and let me determine if I want to play there, simple.

If it is baseball, or golf, or tennis, or football, or any other game, interfering with the throw will certainly not be allowed, why should craps be a game for such degenerate, rude behavior, especially when I am paying to throw the dice? It slows down the game. It isn't tolerated if someone messes with the cards at bj, or poker, no one is allowed to mess with your chip stack, or mess with your machine when you are playing slots, nobody else gets to mark my card at keno, but somehow I am supposed to accept somebody tipping my dice, or slowing my roll?

Late buy in mid roll, same thing. Again I am paying for my turn, the rules usually are no mid roll buy in, simple courtesy. Do you think that a shooter betting pumpkins will get interfered with by buy in's, I don't. The bets are relative to bankroll, my red chip play is as important to me as a purple is to the purple player. Back in the day when people dressed up to go gamble there was more courtesy, its become a "punk" affair and I tend to play a lot less during the rude hours.
Even a bunch of old farts playing in the morning usually give each other enough respect that each player gets their turn and will wait a minute to buy in. imo

Quote: odiousgambit

umm, Fleastiff, you've got me wondering, what is your typical bet anyway? You may have to disown your WoV handle, get the Flea part removed [g] do you add free odds? or what did you mean anyway by "300 coming"?

Er, uh...sorry ... bear with me during this post please. I just woke up...fun dream I think. I was playing in a "quarters game" at a casino that doesn't exist anymore. Heck, quarters games don't exist anymore either.

Anyway, I gots me a cup of very stale coffee (must have been asleep for awhile) and now I'm able to post while reasonably alert.

Three Hundred Coming is a call bet. A call bet is one that is called out rather than placed in chips.

The reason the layout reads "No Call Bets" is alot of people would approach a table as the dice were about to be released and call out a bet. If it becomes a winner they stand there and expect to be paid, whereas if its a loser then its "Feet, do your stuff" time and they go running off.

"Three Hundred Coming" is a Come Bet in the amount of Three Hundred Dollars. It does not reflect any odds or indicate the amount of the buyin that is about to be made. It means while I'm digging out my wallet and buying in, I want three hundred dollars coming, action this roll.

Now this was quite some time ago and it was a rather special incident. It took place in Biloxi at a casino whose name escapes me. (Brain,,, wake up will you.. the dream is over, that cold coffee should have awakened you.). Anyway, my then companion had been very cheap and had circled the craps pit looking for a cheap game, finally selecting a five dollar, virtually empty table, so I thought I'd teach her a lesson and play a bit large. (She was not really a gambler and had spent most of the week watching TV).

Currently, my bet size is nihil because my bankroll is non-existent.

My moniker, FleaStiff, was a joke. Eons ago I told the young clerk at the Venetian that it was my middle name and she typed it on my card. I was called George my very first trip to Vegas, before I even knew what it meant. Over the years the moniker has tended to grow in veracity. Its been a part of my "persona" on this forum but most people have realized it was a joke, that I do not really panhandle outside a Vegas casino and then buy in at a craps table whenever I get up to twenty dollars. Nor do I actually live in a cardboard carton which magically has an internet connection.

MRV


So then I have a question for you. The other day we were in the middle of a roll and the guy
stopped the roll to buy for between 10-15 minutes with his nonsense.

Now was that respectful of the guy that was shooting????????

In addition part of respect is understanding the feeling of others even though in your
opinion it is superstition. If that is all it is, it is still disrespectful of me not to consider
how they feel.

Like I said some people don't understand respect. For instance if you enter a restaurant
would you interrupt a waitress that was taking an order to have her explain the special
before she gets to your table?????

Dicesetter

Quote: MrV

I interpret it to mean "$300 come bet;" not "Give me $300 in chips."

That is quite correct. If you are already at the table and have it in the rail and call out like that they will often book it, but if you are just approaching and they don't know you from Adam, they will just let the dice roll and say No Call Bets allowed or they will pause the came for you to buy in. In my case, Stick had just pushed the dice out and so he just quickly rained them back into center as the dealer and boxman handled my buy in and then Stick re-pushed the dice out to the shooter.

What part of buying in mid roll is disrespectful?

Quote: MrV

Really?

"Respecting others?"

No, savvy, experienced craps players know that many players are superstitious, and one of the big "no-no's" is to buy in mid-roll; god help you if the game is stopped while you buy in and the shooter sevens out the next roll: you'll get dirty looks and hear lamentations directed your way.

It isn't respect; it's the same mentality that blames a seven out on a stick change mid-roll, or a seven out on hitting someone's hand.

Superstition, not respect.

How about it's respecting another's superstition??

While we are on the subject of impeding the flow, how about this:

Shooter has already made four points on the fire bet and is working on the 5th number. New player walks up to the table and throws in $600 and says "stack and a stack" (25s and 5s) and then he says to me "how's the table doing?" Dealer says: "just look" and points to the lamers on the points showing four numbers hit.

Table comes to a halt as money is counted, stacks are pushed to the player.

Next roll 7 out.

New player takes his $600 in chips and moves to the next table.

So the table found a scapegoat and blamed it on the new player even though it was a series of independent unrelated events. Such is the mindset of recreational gamblers.

mcallister3200




see now this explains why there are so many disrespectful people at the tables. this is supposed to be a site
where people have some idea about the game of craps and they don't understand.

Baffles the snarf out of me...

dicesetter

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Quote: AlanMendelson

How about it's respecting another's superstition??

Yes, in the end I suppose it boils down to that.

Some have respect (and enough knowledge of the game to know when respect is warranted), and some don't.

Quote: mcallister3200

So the table found a scapegoat and blamed it on the new player even though it was a series of independent unrelated events. Such is the mindset of recreational gamblers.

Wrong. Such is the mind of idiot gamblers. There are plenty of people who gamble all the damn time who act this way.

Quote: thegov2k2

Wrong. Such is the mind of idiot gamblers. There are plenty of people who gamble all the damn time who act this way.

And those people are idiots.


Respecting people's superstitions? Ridiculous.

I guess dealers are assholes for rotating (new stickchange superstition).

Its like everyone turning their Bud Light Bottle labels towards the field when the field goal is attempted.

Gives you something to do in the stands, but if the kicker misses it, he is going to get cut anyway...

I will wait to buy in, until a point is made or seven thrown. I might do it while the point is ON if the other end of the table is dealing with payoff's and other things and we (the dealers and me and others at this end of the table) are standing there tapping our fingers.

I like to enter the game seamlessly. I am there to play, and have fun and enjoy myself. Bellying up to the rail, throwing cash on the layout, and being a boor, is just boorish behavior.

As to superstition, that will be blamed for anything that causes the seven to roll. Someone at the table may become annoyed by my actions. If I am being boorish, the likelihood of that happening increases exponentially.

Please turn your Bud Light bottles labels in please...

SFB

Quote: SFB

Its like everyone turning their Bud Light Bottle labels towards the field when the field goal is attempted.

Next time I make a field bet and anyone at the table is drinking a bud light....I will ask the player, "Can you turn your bud light label toward the field, I'm hoping the shooter will hit a field (goal) number!" hehehee

Just to be clear, my original situation was not related to an attempt to buy-in: I got the stink-eye from another player, not the shooter, for daring to step up to the rail.

I personally am not superstitious, nor do I respect individual superstitions if they hinder my own play or are just "stupid". What I don't want to do, as a new entry, however, is slow the game down with a buy-in. If the dealer says throw it down, then I will, otherwise I don't mind waiting a bit.

As an example of a 'stupid' superstition, my wife was once on a hot roll. Because she was a newbie, she had a tendency to want to cup the dice in BOTH hands and roll them. Naturally, she was reprimanded numerous times. To head that off, she adopted a posture that involved her non-shooting hand being clenched in a fist behind her back. As her roll progressed, everyone was insistent she not change her stance. She obliged but was clearly getting uncomfortable. Despite my entreating her to take a more relaxed or natural position, she succumbed to the peer pressure. Of course, my annoyance was mitigated by her holding the dice for almost 40 minutes. Anyway, my point is that there is a fuzzy line between etiquette and superstition and, to me, the buy in can be in that fuzzy zone.

I have been playing craps a long time. As far as I'm concerned, you can buy-in or make any wager you want between rolls. Don't celebrate if you win on the don't, and don't call out a bet on 7-- call out a bet on big red. Keep your hands out of the tub once the shooter is ready to throw, and don't take forever once you have the dice to let them fly. Other than that do anything you want. To think that the shooter should have the right to make roll after roll without delaying or interfering with their trance is ridiculous. A buy-in doesn't take much time, and can be made at the same time as wagers are being settled between rolls. The table belongs to everyone.

hog wash


dicesetter

Quote: Greasyjohn

A buy-in doesn't take much time, and can be made at the same time as wagers are being settled between rolls. The table belongs to everyone.

A buy in at my level sure doesn't take much time, but some people buy in with ten grand or something like that. I've had dealers signal me to buy in while a roll is going on simply because the dealer knows he can handle my action in a split second and even his half asleep box man can count two one hundred dollar bills fairly quickly.

>The table belongs to everyone
Uh, no. It belongs to the casino whose employees have a task of making everyone feel as if it belongs to them.

None of us believe that a portion of the soul is expelled with every sneeze but we still say Bless You or Gesund Heit or something.

None of us really and truly believe the dice will hear and understand "seven" but won't hear and understand "big red", but we do what is socially proper when amongst the great unwashed dice players. The crew will warn anyone drooping their hands into the dice landing zone because it annoys a great many players. Guys usually have no objection to girls in tight sweaters at the dice table but the fuzzy sweaters tend to catch the dice and obviously interfere with the motion making it a "no roll". I hate some of these shooters who roll and roll the dice a few inches in front of them until they get a seven and then roll them for real because two sevens in a row is unlikely, but I do allow for individuals to have strange beliefs from time to time.