Firebet as a hedge on the don't pass
Only problem is I kept forgetting to bet the fire so I was on another shooter that hit a 4 pointer and I forgot to put my dollar down but it would have only paid $25 so while annoying I'm not losing sleep over it
All it takes is one six-pointer payoff and you swear that you have a lifetime profit at the fire bet. I've been at tables twice for 6-pointers and numerous 5-pointers.
The odds favor that you will hit a six point fire bet than hit a royal flush at video poker.
Quote: DeMangoYup, have bets with -1% or so disadvantage, hedged with bets at -20% or so. That should work.
he should doey/don't instead. The HE would be less.
Quote: DeMangoA lot of savvy don't players don't lose more than two decisions to a right player.
Yes. This is a much better way to approach.
Darth
Quote: DeMangoYup, have bets with -1% or so disadvantage, hedged with bets at -20% or so. That should work.
Yeah but that's in the long term, most systems players throw long term out the window.
I started playing video poker when i was 28, i am now 66 and have never hit a royal flush.
If it would take as long to hit a 6 pit fire bet...... well things are not looking to good for that.
Dicesetter
Quote: DeMangoA lot of savvy don't players don't lose more than two decisions to a right player.
The dice don't know that the shooter had made two points.
Somebody told me that a good don't strategy is to wait for the next shooter after the first point. I tried that and they went around and everybody made the first point and 7'd out on the next. I said screw that.
Quote: DeMangoYup, have bets with -1% or so disadvantage, hedged with bets at -20% or so. That should work.
Actually 1.40%. I had a $65 don't pass flat bet with no odds. Firebet only costs a $1
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I started playing video poker when i was 28, i am now 66 and have never hit a royal flush.
If it would take as long to hit a 6 pit fire bet...... well things are not looking to good for that.
Dicesetter
If I were you, I'd play non-stop online until I hit one! You gotta get at least ONE!
Quote: guitarmandpBtw there's a CEO at a major publically traded company that comes in to the casino I play at reserves half the table, buys in for $50,000, and bets $500 on every number, $25 passline bet, and a few thousand dollars behind whatever his passline bet is. This guy also bets the fire for $25 on every shooter. Is he dumb?
I think the adjective you are looking for is wealthy.
Sometimes people betting this kind of money are criminals (IE: it's not their money!)
I've heard stories about players who came in and made big bets like this after robbing banks (story was heard at Fiesta Henderson).
Quote: dicesitterAlan
I started playing video poker when i was 28, i am now 66 and have never hit a royal flush.
If it would take as long to hit a 6 pit fire bet...... well things are not looking to good for that.
Dicesetter
I'm just the opposite. One 6-pointer this year, but 8 royals.
However, there are more decisions per hour in video poker.
Quote: AhighI think the adjective you are looking for is wealthy.
Sometimes people betting this kind of money are criminals (IE: it's not their money!)
I've heard stories about players who came in and made big bets like this after robbing banks (story was heard at Fiesta Henderson).
This guy is the real deal. He makes six million a year according to the wall steet journal. Anyways he even bets the fire!
The only problem I have with the fire is when I see somebody with a few hundred bucks constantly betting it for $10 or $15 or even $25. Bet it for $25 and you've spent $1,000 after 40 shooters. If you buy in for $1,000 I don't think its going to kill you to bet it for a dollar.
Quote: guitarmandpThe dice don't know that the shooter had made two points.
That's true but the shooter may be better than you think. Why take that chance? I know one don't player that stops after one loss and has a lifetime win on playing the don'ts and never shooting.
Quote: guitarmandpThe dice don't know that the shooter had made two points.
Somebody told me that a good don't strategy is to wait for the next shooter after the first point. I tried that and they went around and everybody made the first point and 7'd out on the next. I said screw that.
While this is very true, the dice don't know it but you should, if he beat you once why are you letting him beat you over and over again?
The dice also don't know that the seven should come one in every six rolls of the dice. I love don't players and their reasoning why they are betting the don't. I've heard it all, and I get to see them go down in flames when they think the seven is due, or when they just saw a ten being rolled so they should now lay the ten,.. because you should only see two tens in every thirty-six rolls of the dice!
Some of them even think they are playing the same game as the house, and you can't convince them otherwise!
Quote: superrickWhile this is very true, the dice don't know it but you should, if he beat you once why are you letting him beat you over and over again?
The dice also don't know that the seven should come one in every six rolls of the dice. I love don't players and their reasoning why they are betting the don't. I've heard it all, and I get to see them go down in flames when they think the seven is due, or when they just saw a ten being rolled so they should now lay the ten,.. because you should only see two tens in every thirty-six rolls of the dice!
Some of them even think they are playing the same game as the house, and you can't convince them otherwise!
I stop betting on the shooter after three or four passes, not going to be on a roll where somebody makes 10 passes, at the same time I don't buy into this theory that because somebody makes 2 points, they are more likely to make the third.
At the same time I've seen the table go around with everybody making at least 2 passes buy none made 4.
You could have one guy make 6 passes and you can also be on a table where 6 consecutive shooters make one passes. It really doesn't matter, in the long run it won't make a difference
A month ago I was on the don't's when a shooter hit a 6 point fire. He made 3 passes and I got off the don't's and I got so bored after the 6th or 7th pass I put down a $10 passline bet. He ended up making about 12 passes and had an unbelievably amazing roll. Should I not have bet on him when it was his turn to shoot during his next turn? Should I have put down 100x odds? I bet the dont pass on him and the point was 5 and he went straight out. The same shooter that made a dozen, maybe more passes, couldn't hit one number his next turn!
Quote: guitarmandpShould I have put down 100x odds? I bet the dont pass on him and the point was 5 and he went straight out. The same shooter that made a dozen, maybe more passes, couldn't hit one number his next turn!
lmgtfy
Maybe scroll down to the section on psychology and open up your mind a little bit.
Quote: guitarmandpThis guy is the real deal. He makes six million a year according to the wall steet journal. Anyways he even bets the fire!
The only problem I have with the fire is when I see somebody with a few hundred bucks constantly betting it for $10 or $15 or even $25. Bet it for $25 and you've spent $1,000 after 40 shooters. If you buy in for $1,000 I don't think its going to kill you to bet it for a dollar.
Where can you bet the Fire Bet for more than TEN dollars? I want to go to that casino!
Quote: AlanMendelsonWhere can you bet the Fire Bet for more than TEN dollars? I want to go to that casino!
Any casino with a ten dollar max that lets you bring along a friend.
Quote: AhighAny casino with a ten dollar max that lets you bring along a friend.
That's good! But the comment was made about $25 Fire Bets. Where?? We both might want to bet $25, Ahigh! LOL
My sentiments exactly. Take a good stiff belt if you have to, but make up your mind. Right Side or the Dark Side. Don't try no fancy straddles.Quote: DeMangoYup, have bets with -1% or so disadvantage, hedged with bets at -20% or so. That should work.
Quote: FleaStiffMy sentiments exactly. Take a good stiff belt if you have to, but make up your mind. Right Side or the Dark Side. Don't try no fancy straddles.
I've had some big wins playing the don't pass and all the box #'s. It didn't work last night but two nights ago I won over $1,100 on one shooter. I started with $54 or $52 across. Shooter made 1 pass but he rolled so many box numbers that I had my $10 5 up to $120 and it paid $240 when it hit (Was supposed to pay $180 but the dealer made a mistake and paid me $240) and I also hit a $120 6 and a $120 8.
The concept behind the don'ts and the numbers is if if somebody 7's out you get your money back. What kills me when doing this system is you get a shooter that makes 3 points but doesn't roll any box #'s.
Quote: guitarmandpI've had some big wins.
Are you a lifetime winner? That would be awesome.
Quote: AhighAre you a lifetime winner? That would be awesome.
There's no such thing as lifetime winners I thought!
Quote: guitarmandpThere's no such thing as lifetime winners I thought!
That's why we're here: to help. Here's an example of a lifetime winner who made an example of "bold play" to get it done.
Last week two days in a row I was there for 6 point fires. Yesterday and the day before I saw 5 point fires
No. Hedging is the quick sand: you ain't gonna win much, you ain't gonna lose much, you will just slowly sink into the morass of negative expectation grinding away at you.Quote: AlanMendelsonWhen you don't straddle or hedge is that like having your feet firmly planted in quicksand?
If you choose one or the other and then have the courage to stick to your guns you atleast get the reward of having made up your mind and taken a position.
Quote: guitarmandpI don't know about lifetime winner but I'm up for the year and last year I made $2,700.
Last week two days in a row I was there for 6 point fires. Yesterday and the day before I saw 5 point fires
Congrats.
