Going to quit
Poll
 | 6 votes (8.45%) | ||
| | 3 votes (4.22%) | ||
| | 8 votes (11.26%) | ||
| | 10 votes (14.08%) | ||
| | 5 votes (7.04%) | ||
| | 4 votes (5.63%) | ||
| | 19 votes (26.76%) | ||
| | 6 votes (8.45%) | ||
| | 7 votes (9.85%) | ||
| | 3 votes (4.22%) |
71 members have voted
No regrets for playing at all. Empty table, Mark, & Xeiquin dealing, Xeiquin and Galen on stick, Maggie on box.
I rolled about ten times and made one point. $5 pass and $8 odds for a five point was the first point. Other bets were no more than $5 odds and $5 pass.
My comments before about addiction stand. Going a week without gambling is fairly easy. I'm usually out of town for two weeks at a time, and I'm in the middle of Georgia so it's a solid 5 hour drive to Biloxi, which I'm not willing to do.
Check your own feelings about how it felt to play, and more importantly, the excitement level in your body when you win or lose. It's easy to become addicted to the adrenaline rush. You are justify gambling right now as "fun", yet one week ago, you had a terrible experience and felt bad about it.
Quote: odiousgambit4 days. Really?
Hey, that's not bad for someone with such a heavy addiction. It's a start.
ZCore13
Quote: AhighThere was absolutely no adrenaline rush. I was betting tiny. What made it fun was the interactions with the people who were taking my tips and working for me to have a good time.
more importantly, how did it effect your family life. You mentioned earlier in this thread that you were concerned about the time away from family. I can not image that your wife is all to happy that you were busy playing craps on a Saturday instead of spending it with her.
I am a lifetime winner in poker tournaments with a pretty large sample size (and no, there are no super huge wins that would be the reason). I actually feel that I could make a decent amount of money if I played every day but my wife prefers that I didnt spend 35 hours a week playing. I respect her feelings on it so I opt to only playing 1 every 6-8 weeks.
Quote: Zcore13Hey, that's not bad for someone with such a heavy addiction. It's a start.
Hmm. Don't get too emotional doctor. It might cloud your professional opinion on the matter.
Quote: AhighI played early this morning at the Silverton.
So, if you quit on July 7, that makes five days the winner.
I just figured he would play on the weekend and as I stated before, we all have addictions at different levels and in Aarons case, I dont believe he is losing money he doesnt have to lose. But the time that could be used on other things may be the only issue here, but again, his life, his choices.
He chose to put it out here, so he knows he will get negative comments, but sometimes we all have to look in the mirror before judging someone else.
Quote: GWAEmore importantly, how did it effect your family life. You mentioned earlier in this thread that you were concerned about the time away from family. I can not image that your wife is all to happy that you were busy playing craps on a Saturday instead of spending it with her.
I am a lifetime winner in poker tournaments with a pretty large sample size (and no, there are no super huge wins that would be the reason). I actually feel that I could make a decent amount of money if I played every day but my wife prefers that I didnt spend 35 hours a week playing. I respect her feelings on it so I opt to only playing 1 every 6-8 weeks.
Wife fine and has not been involved at all. Family is fine too.
Quote: WizardSo, if you quit on July 7, that makes five days the winner.
Quote: AhighJuly 8th, 2014 at 9:02:13 AM .... Yesterday I was advised not to play and I ignored the advice
I was thinking you would go by the day of declaration, making the 9th the first day without playing Craps. Just explaining how I arrived at 4 days. After thinking about it, I guess the 8th was the first day without. I hate it when I get that stuff wrong.
I have seen you say something similar to this in the past. Is this an ego thing? A control type thing? I get the feeling that you try to impress the staff with your craps knowledge. I think you may even go out of your way to make difficult bets and do abnormal things to prove points or show superiority .Quote: Ahighworking for me .
Perhaps you just like to show off at what you believe your good at, get noticed, have people respect you or your craps play.
I'm not judging I'm just asking.
I would have to say you are addicted to the game of CRAPS I'm not sure if its a gambling addiction or not. Unless its affecting your life in a very negative way (losing way to much) I say, keep on keeping on.
I know a lot of people are preaching about your family life and kids. They associate this to GAMBLING therefor its a horrible thing.
But, is it really any different then guys who watch sports all the time? Is it different from some guy who spends a ton of time working out at the gym or playing sports all the time. What about guys who spend tons of time fishing or hunting? I would be willing to bet famous actors spend very little time with their kids and family.
Quote: AxelWolfI have seen you say something similar to this in the past. Is this an ego thing? A control type thing? I get the feeling that you try to impress the staff with your craps knowledge. I think you may even go out of your way to make difficult bets and do abnormal things to prove points or show superiority .
Perhaps you just like to show off at what you believe your good at, get noticed, have people respect you or your craps play.
I'm not judging I'm just asking.
I would have to say you are addicted to the game of CRAPS I'm not sure if its a gambling addiction or not. Unless its affecting your life in a very negative way (losing way to much) I say, keep on keeping on.
I know a lot of people are preaching about your family life and kids. They associate this to GAMBLING therefor its a horrible thing.
But, is it really any different then guys who watch sports all the time? Is it different from some guy who spends a ton of time working out at the gym or playing sports all the time. What about guys who spend tons of time fishing or hunting? I would be willing to bet famous actors spend very little time with their kids and family.
It's an addict thing. I've seen it 5 days a week for the last 8 years. There's 2 sides to every addicts story. The addict's and the truth.
ZCore13
Quote: AxelWolfI have seen you say something similar to this in the past. Is this an ego thing? A control type thing? I get the feeling that you try to impress the staff with your craps knowledge. I think you may even go out of your way to make difficult bets and do abnormal things to prove points or show superiority .
Perhaps you just like to show off at what you believe your good at, get noticed, have people respect you or your craps play.
I'm not judging I'm just asking.
I would have to say you are addicted to the game of CRAPS I'm not sure if its a gambling addiction or not. Unless its affecting your life in a very negative way (losing way to much) I say, keep on keeping on.
I know a lot of people are preaching about your family life and kids. They associate this to GAMBLING therefor its a horrible thing.
But, is it really any different then guys who watch sports all the time? Is it different from some guy who spends a ton of time working out at the gym or playing sports all the time. What about guys who spend tons of time fishing or hunting? I would be willing to bet famous actors spend very little time with their kids and family.
Craps is basically all negative though. Working brings in money. Sports and exercising makes you stronger and healthier. Fishing and hunting technically can put food on the table thus saving you money. Sports all day is pretty bad but at least you aren't actively losing cash, and at least you're at home with your family. Craps is just awful all around.
I understand but if he can afford it, I don't see the diffidence between that and some expensive hobby some guys have. Some guys spend tons of money on fishing and hunting new guns, boats, rods reels, campers, hunting trucks, hunting gear. I bet only a few get any value (food on the table) compared to what they spend.Quote: Lemieux66Craps is basically all negative though. Working brings in money. Sports and exercising makes you stronger and healthier. Fishing and hunting technically can put food on the table thus saving you money. Sports all day is pretty bad but at least you aren't actively losing cash, and at least you're at home with your family. Craps is just awful all around.
Personally since he knows there are advantages to be had in the casinos, If I were him, I would find something that has a +EV.
I'm not sure if he feels he still has an advantage when he plays or not.
I'm not sure if he is up or down lifetime in craps or not. If he has been paying for 5 years and he down less then 10k that's nothing compared to what some people spend on BS.
Quote: AxelWolfI understand but if he can afford it, I don't see the diffidence between that and some expensive hobby some guys have. Some guys spend tons of money on fishing and hunting new guns, boats, rods reels, campers, hunting trucks, hunting gear. I bet only a few get any value (food on the table) compared to what they spend.
Personally since he knows there are advantages to be had in the casinos, If I were him, I would find something that has a +EV.
I'm not sure if he feels he still has an advantage when he plays or not.
I'm not sure if he is up or down lifetime in craps or not. If he has been paying for 5 years and he down less then 10k that's nothing compared to what some people spend on BS.
It's one of the funny situations where it's better to have a straight up gambling(it might be better to call it action ) addiction rather than simply a craps addiction. If he loves being in the casino and is willing to study and learn, he can do some positive +EV games. Avoiding family is trouble though regardless of what is played.
I believe it really is not a GAMBLING addiction, obviously the fact he can win or lose plays a part of why he likes craps. If its an addiction it has to do with the things I mentioned before. Ego, superiority, showing off etc etc. He knows craps inside and out, its his thing. Its probably no different from a Video game addiction. What kid who grew up in the 80's didn't have a Video game addiction? Before I got into Gambling, I played a ton of pool and video games. I was always chasing tail and playing pool and video games. Anything that was competitive I liked doing.Quote: Lemieux66It's one of the funny situations where it's better to have a straight up gambling(it might be better to call it action ) addiction rather than simply a craps addiction. If he loves being in the casino and is willing to study and learn, he can do some positive +EV games. Avoiding family is trouble though regardless of what is played.
Quote: AxelWolfI believe it really is not a GAMBLING addiction, obviously the fact he can win or lose plays a part of why he likes craps. If its an addiction it has to do with the things I mentioned before. Ego, superiority, showing off etc etc. He knows craps inside and out, its his thing. Its probably no different from a Video game addiction. What kid who grew up in the 80's didn't have a Video game addiction? Before I got into Gambling, I played a ton of pool and video games. I was always chasing tail and playing pool and video games. Anything that was competitive I liked doing.
He has a sad life. I mean he knows everything about a money losing game. He might feel intelligent because of it, but how smart can he really feel if it's craps?
Playing craps every day for five years is foolish. To say that it's not an addiction is equally as foolish.
It's necessary to wake up, go to the bathroom, drink and eat, and sleep but that's about it. We work because we need a living. We have reasonable hobbies that don't damage other aspects of our life.
An honest retrospection of why you play craps every day for five years multiple times a day is worth a look. Craps is not work. It's well beyond a hobby, because most people can live without access to their hobbies for days and maybe even weeks.
Only you know what the truth is.
Quote: BuzzardCraps is as exciting as watching paint dry.
Geez man you got to switch to latex that other stuff is making you see things that just arn't there.
Put the brush down and back away slowly.
Quote: Lemieux66Craps is basically all negative though. Working brings in money. Sports and exercising makes you stronger and healthier. Fishing and hunting technically can put food on the table thus saving you money. Sports all day is pretty bad but at least you aren't actively losing cash, and at least you're at home with your family. Craps is just awful all around.
Sports, hunting and fishing are also activities where family can be included....
Not a gambling addiction.
It's an attention addiction.
Quote: Lemieux66He has a sad life.
<ahem>. I think you're wrong about that.
My last post to this thread. I can't say anymore than what he said himself.
I'm not perfect, and never said that I was.
But I'm also not sad. I don't post up every wonderful moment with the kids, but the real truth is that there is much more happiness from people on this forum assuming the worst about me rather than actually knowing what I am really like.
If they all were great fathers, husbands, and used every waking hour away from work/family/sleep are they addicts?
Here's me and Tony and my co-workers kid. We brought the kids to work and they helped me wire up some controls for a game that we are working on. They learned about solderless terminals and crimping, and a few weeks later after helping me wire up the controls they got to play the game that we're making.
And maybe some people don't realize this, but I create games. I'm not just a gambler. I play the games and I make the games. I teach the kids stuff. And I've brought plenty of friends and family into the business.
http://www.respawn.com/company
Two guys I got both of them their first job in the game industry working on PilotWings 64 back in 1995 (one was my roommate, and another a computer buddy) went on to work on the first video game to gross over a billion dollars, and more recently just release Titanfall (Richard Baker and Jon Davis).
Another guy I hired out of an arcade to be a tester at Atari Games went on to be CEO at Machine Zone. I also hired him again at another job later.
http://venturebeat.com/2013/10/28/gamesbeat-speaker-spotlight-how-machine-zones-gabe-leydon-made-a-huge-mobile-game-bet/
I could go on, and I have worked with the best, but these three guys all got into the industry directly from me, and I pushed and prodded each of them to get started because I saw something in them.
Just like I do with these kids.
You guys don't know everything about who I am, and you certainly don't know enough to condemn me as "sad."
I'll tell you what's sad, though, is people condemning me online without knowing much about who I am.
This was taken the first time I was on Fremont Street back on September 24, 2000. The guy in the photo is a coworker from Atari who programmed Asteroids Deluxe. He still worked at Atari and was the "operating system" guy.
This guy is Ed Logg. I took this photo on my 30th birthday, and Ed and I played Asteroids. I worked with Ed Logg too (programmer of Asteroids Coin-op). He was working to port my coin-operated game to Dreamcast and Nintendo-64 at the time (San Francisco Rush 2049).
And here's Eugene Jarvis. He programmer defender coin-op and tons of other successful coin-op games. Eugene offered me a job to lead "Fast and Furious" coin-op and the "Fast and Furious Superbikes" after that. I passed on the offer to work for Naughty Dog in Santa Monica on Jak3 (sequel to Jak and Daxter).
My life and my BIG bets are all related to creating games. I am a game creator. I am not a professional gambler and I never will be.
Maybe that helps, and maybe it doesn't. I don't know.
But my life is not about craps. Craps is just a distraction.
I am absolutely sick of the insults and I am absolutely sick of all of the things that people say. It may come down to me closing down my account on this forum.
I'm sure it's healthier just not to interact with people saying the sorts of things that they are saying about me.
But for anyone who actually cares, you should know that I am absolutely fine. I have a very full life as a programmer and as a developer that spans much further back than before I worked for IGT.
IGT had me in a research position, and none of my work went anywhere outside the walls of our super secret room.
And who knows, maybe my work will never go anywhere.
But as long as I have been in Vegas, nobody has seen ANYTHING that I have done, with very few exceptions.
G2E is what we are working towards right now. So those that do care can wish me some luck with our G2E presentation.
Quote: Ahight I am just *SICK* of people making rude comments about me and my life as if my craps play defines my life.
But as long as I have been in Vegas, nobody has seen ANYTHING that I have done, with very few exceptions (including Steve Wynn and Ernie Moody).
YET!
Really?
We've seen A LOT about what "the real Aaron Hightower" has done, at least as you have described yourself in an unguarded moment:
Quote: AhighYesterday I was advised not to play and I ignored the advice and lost a large sum of money playing craps. It put me in a bad mood to lose this money even though I tried my best not to let it affect me, and I realized that I let this loss negatively affect myself and other people around me. Today, I'm still sore about this loss, and other people are not talking to me as a result of the sequence of events unfolded after this happened.
I've been playing craps every day now for over five years except when going out of town. And by every day, I typically play at multiple tables multiple times per day.
IE: I play a LOT of craps. I think the most number of simultaneous days I have actually physically been in Vegas without playing the game is MAYBE two. Usually I play at LEAST once every 8 waking hours. And frequently I play for an hour every four to five hours.
Your craps play may not define your life, but it sure does dominate it.
Let me just put it this way: you go sticking your rear end out on these boards with a "kick me" sign taped on it, don't complain when people take you up on the invitation.
Quote: MrVYour craps play may not define your life, but it sure does dominate it.
As portrayed in this message board perhaps. One reason I chose to share some other parts of my life and/or career.
I don't expect people on a forum who's common interest to be gambling to care about the positive aspects of my life.
The common interest in talking about gambling problems is much more interesting to readers of this forum than talking about the positive aspects of my life outside the domain of my experience gambling.
schradenfreude rules the topics!
It is not to take pleasure in your perceived gambling problems.
It is to help you.
We are Brothers of the Bones.
Keep in mind that this is a gambling board, and you posting a lot of personal info / photos is, well, somewhat inappropriate.
We all have a personal life; almost all of us do in fact make an effort to keep it personal.
You might have helped people, you might be a great guy, but as you say:
"Usually I play at LEAST once every 8 waking hours. And frequently I play for an hour every four to five hours."
Something is wrong with that picture.
Perhaps instead of telling your story here, you would be better served talking with a therapist.
Quote: AhighI apologize if this seems overly defensive. But I am just *SICK* of people making rude comments about me and my life as if my craps play defines my life.
If any of the people here start a post where the post appears to be something about the poster, there is a good chance it is going to be an open ended discussion about that person if it continues on long enough.
I think you kind of opened that door when you start a thread like this.
Quote: WizardSeems to me that 7/7/7+7 is a perfect to quit craps. The day you sevened out.
I thought it would end on Monday.
Seven-Out-Seven-In
You got out on Sevens 7/7/7+7, and I thought you would get back in on Sevens 7/7+7/7+7.
Oh well ... I voted 2 weeks, but can't win em all.
Am I off topic now ?
Quote: AxelWolfSome guys spend tons of money on fishing and hunting new guns, boats, rods reels, campers, hunting trucks, hunting gear. I bet only a few get any value (food on the table) compared to what they spend.
I am far, far from the worst example, but I can tell you the turkey I shot , now in the freezer waiting for some special event to be served, is the most expensive turkey around. It would have been monumentally cheaper to order some special organically raised one. By the time the above considerations are taken into account you just don't want to figure the cost per pound .
Quote: AhighI apologize if this seems overly defensive.
Apology not accepted. You should have learned long ago what to expect, starting a thread like this.
Quote: odiousgambitApology not accepted. You should have learned long ago what to expect, starting a thread like this.
Agreed. You started this thread with actually having no intention of quitting. You just wanted to not play craps for a few days. Now that you've played again, are you still trying to quit? I doubt it.
Quote: djatcThis is not pertaining to Ahigh, but: At what point does one become an "addict"? What if a millionaire business owner sells his business for $10mil, then plays $5 craps every day of his life until he dies, does he have an addiction? What if he had a $100k net worth, quit his job, and cashed in his 401ks to play $5 craps everyday, he is an addict? What about the 60 hours a week working man who makes $10/hr, then gets off his shift to play $25 craps, is he an addict?
If they all were great fathers, husbands, and used every waking hour away from work/family/sleep are they addicts?
IMO --
An addiction is not classified by "how much" time you spend, money you spend, or oddly enough how much it hurts others around you/yourself.
An addiction is how much you want to do something, or something that is constantly on your mind.
If you're not sure if you're addicted to something, quit for 1 month. If it's constantly on your mind and you can't wait until the 1 month is over -- you have a problem.
I know some players who play craps 4+ days a week. I don't think they have an addiction, they just enjoy playing craps with each other.
I know of a few players who don't play very often. A few play once a week, a few play once every 1-2 months. But you know, during their time away from the craps table, they've been itching to play....a lot. When they initially buy in, there's the sense of "FINALLY! I'm here and get to play." Mind you, these players have a ton of money (compared to what they play....like the $10mil guy who plays $5 craps kinda thing).
Quote: RSIf you're not sure if you're addicted to something, quit for 1 month. If it's constantly on your mind and you can't wait until the 1 month is over -- you have a problem.
I will wait until February to check to see if I have a problem then.
Quote: odiousgambitApology not accepted.
The person who stopped talking to me also told me this. Two times in one week I had an apology refused!
It has been entertaining.
Quote: AhighI will wait until February to check to see if I have a problem then.
What's in February?
Why wait?
Quote: AhighFor those who made comments and gave their feedback without being rude, I do appreciate it. My major motivation for the thread was to get people involved in seeing how long I could go, and I've enjoyed most everyone's participation.
It has been entertaining.
Awww, thank you. You are such a giver. Allowing all of us to get involved.
I've really grown learning from you letting us be involved. As a matter of fact, this morning I went to breakfast. My bill was $40, I tipped $10, Marcia was on register. Phyllis was on hostess. Chris was serving. And Cindy was Supervisor. I enjoyed tipping them as they worked to serve me and make me happy.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13Awww, thank you. You are such a giver. Allowing all of us to get involved.
I've really grown learning from you letting us be involved. As a matter of fact, this morning I went to breakfast. My bill was $40, I tipped $10, Marcia was on register. Phyllis was on hostess. Chris was serving. And Cindy was Supervisor. I enjoyed tipping them as they worked to serve me and make me happy.
Not bad for someone who has a serious eating addiction.
Is it just me, or does the guy sitting down in the above video look like the Wizard?
