Bad night for the darkside

I'm a don't player and I lost $900 last night on one of the most unbelievably hot tables ever. Now everybody I talked to is like "Why didn't you switch to the passline" but I've always felt that if you have the bankroll and kind ride the storm, eventually the table will do a complete 180. Many times I'm right but this day I wasn't.

The big buzz around the table when I got there was that two 5 point fire bets had hit in the last 2 hours, and the guy standing next to me who always bets a $25 chip on the fire showed me the 12 orange chips in his pocket. He pocketed over twelve grand from those fire bets. Anyways I get on the don't pass and I was up $200 the first 15 minutes as several shooters went straight out and then the table turned like I had never seen before, they went around the table 3 times, and almost every shooter made 3 points.

It was absolutely amazing how a billion sevens and elevens were being rolled in the come out roll and yet once the point was established they would make the point immediately. I had a $10 don't pass bet and put $100 behind the 4 and put down a $15 hard 4, first roll the 4 came (1,3) and I lost $125.

I decided to change my strategy since everybody and their mother was making that first point. Lay 1x odds on the first point, 2x odds on the second point, and then bet heavy on the third point. This worked for a couple of shooters until the next shooter after making two points, had a come out roll that went something like this (7,7, 11, 11, 7, 2, 7, 12, 7, 7, point). I lost like $70 or $80 on this come out roll betting the $10 minimum (which wiped out a lot of my remaining bankroll) only to finally hit a 5. I laid my last $120 on the 5 and he came right back with the 5. It was unbelievable.

I play almost every night and I've never seen a table stay that hot for the long. Anybody ever see anything like it?

Now the superstitious side of me says that I should have switched to the pass, but I felt that if I could whether the storm long enough things would go my way eventually, like it does a lot of the time. This time it didn't. Afterall in Craps what happened in the past has no bearing on what will happen in the present and future.

Do you mind saying what casino?
The reason I ask is every casino I have been in the max fire bet has never been more than $10, and many are $5.
I have never played a table that allowed a $25 Fire Bet.

Sorry about your loss. That's a big hit to take from the Don't. A shooter like that is why you can't martingale the DP. You can get wiped out before the shooter even manages to set a point.

Sure wish I had been there. Everyone making 3 points would have been like a money tree.

It was the horseshoe. My plan wasn't really to martingale the don't pass but sort of martingale the odds bet, go from $15 to $45 to $75 and then to $150, but I got destroyed on that come out roll which cost me dearly.

Honestly, I don't believe anyone can have bad luck and I'm really not superstitious, but this one has caused me to take a break. After a couple years as a pass line player I finally got tired of the amazing number of short rolls and switched to the dark side. I have never seen so many hot tables in my life.

I know the feeling OP, I got hit by a table the other day that twice around (9 players other than me, I don't roll, so 18 hands) that EVERYONE made at least one point. It was unreal, I started to wonder how the casino made any money at the game, then I realized they were certainly making it from me. The grand finale of the deal was back to back 4 pointers and a guy making 7 points, all 6 different ones including the four twice and he did it in 18 rolls. Think about that for a minute. The absolute minimum would be 14 rolls and he did it in 18 tosses. Guy just kept buckshotting points as I stood in disbelief.

I'm certain I don't remember tables like that when I was on the other side.

I was playing at Beau Rivage with a guy and his daughter. They never bet PL. They would bet $260 or $270 across, never taking the point. I was betting $135 across and $25 PL w/odds. The shooter was between us and he went on this unreal roll. He made 8 points, but only threw 1 or 2 of the Place/Buy numbers. I made out good because after point 3 I was putting down $250 in odds. But the poor guy and his daughter lost money, because they only got paid a couple of times. He had more throws than your player though, because I do remember there were quite a few craps/yo throws that he threw in between all of the points.

He colored up right after that roll. Looked at me and said something like, "Geez, if you can't make money on a roll like that, it just isn't going to be your night."

I've seen really hot tables like that a couple of times. I was fortunate twice to basically walk up right when it got hot - one of those rare times when you win your first bet and never look back. One time downtown I walked up and within an hour I was up $750 which for me is a lot. I usually bet $5 PL and double or triple odds and place the 6/8 for $6 or $12 each and don't press aggressively. The last point was 6 and I had $100 on odds and all my place bets pressed up as the shooter rolled for a while. I pressed up my Hard 6 to $30 hoping for a big score but then some jackass decided to stick his arm out to place a late field bet and the dice went off his arm for a 7 out (yes I know it could have gone off his arm for Hard 6 just as easily). The best part was I was heading out of town when it happened.

This past weekend I was at Tropicana playing a $10 table and down $85 of my original $100 plus promo chips and ended up cashing out $330. Should have been at least $100 more but I got off the PL and missed 6 winners.

Over my 4 days of playing I had 5 winning sessions and 3 losing sessions and finished up about $500 for the trip. More decently hot tables than ice cold and more decent or even good rolls rather than PSO.

Many dark side players get creamed now and then from the scolding table. If you won't switch to the light in those circumstances, perhaps limit your loss to a single point per shooter.

Darth

It wudda hurt even flat-betting. I have felt this kind of pain dark-siding, and with the Force. Craps happen.

Your $.50 per thousand hurt did it?

I made the $900 I lost back +$100 yesterday as I was at a table the exact opposite. I think I only saw maybe 1 or 2 shooters actually make a point and as soon as I got my money back $100, I went to get lunch and I came back to look at the table and one of the dealers said to me "If you would have stayed you would have made thousands", oh well.

Regarding that table, I had missed the two five point fires. There might have been a couple of great rolls, but there weren't a lot of what some would call "monster rolls". I was even betting the 6 & 8 for a period of time and basically breaking even, maybe even losing a little on it as a way to hedge the don't pass, thinking if they were going to roll a lot of points then they were probably going to roll a lot of 6 & 8's. This didn't work either. It seemed like they were rolling tons of points, and 4's and 10's.

one argument that 2^30 power is 'no big deal' is to sit through the astonishing beating you can get at a craps table playing the darkside [g]

seriously, this effect of 'amazement and wonder' that can happen is stronger when playing that side, not sure why