To do it not to do?

What type of player are you? Do you play with the shooter? Do you embrace the dark side? Or do you switch sides of the table is hot/cold?

EDIT: Cursed spellchecker , the title was "To do OR not to do" I originally planned to call it "To come or not to come" but. .. yeah. .

I switch sides. Last time I played, I played from the light side when anyone on my side of the table shot and went to the dark side when someone on the other end shot. I would have walked away either up or even if my wife weren't a ploppy who actually bet the don'ts when I was shooting.

I have pondered letting the apparent flow of the game dictate how I play, right or dark, depending on whether the table seems hot or cold.

As for choppy tables, well, who knows?

Quote: Martin1024

What type of player are you? Do you play with the shooter? Do you embrace the dark side? Or do you switch sides of the table is hot/cold?

EDIT: Cursed spellchecker , the title was "To do OR not to do" I originally planned to call it "To come or not to come" but. .. yeah. .

HAMLET: To pass, or not to pass--that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of point-seven-out
Or to take arms against a sea of right-siders
And by opposing end them. Two die, to throw--
No more--and by a throw to say we end
The heartache, and the thousand natural shocks
That craps is heir to. 'Tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wished. Two die, to throw--
To throw--perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub,
For in that throw of dice what dreams may come
When we have bet the hardways right,
Must give us pause. There's the respect
That makes calamity of darkside bets.
For who would bear the whips and scorns of don't,
Th' oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely
The pangs of despised love, the law's delay,
The insolence of office, and the spurns
That patient merit of th' unworthy takes,
When he himself might his quietus make
With a bare odds bet? Who would right sides bear,
To grunt and sweat under a choppy table,
But that the dread of something after point,
The undiscovered country, from whose bourn
No darksider returns, puzzles the will,
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Thus peer pressure does make cowards of us all,
And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,
And enterprise of great pitch and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry
And lose the name of action. -- Soft you now,
The fair Dice Goddess! -- Nymph, in thy orisons
Be all my sins remembered.

A thousand apologies to Wm. S.

Quote: hwccdealer

I switch sides.

So do I.
I start out on the Pass Line with the Dealers there too. It gets me noticed and now that they know I'm a tipper they are going to do what they can for me. Sometimes when I add odds to my line bet and to the dealers line bet and the stick calls out "Dealers Have Shoes" I get the idea they have not heard that call for their entire shift. I'll try to stay on the Right side for awhile but if things get too choppy I will switch to the Don'ts as I will when the dice come to me. If the shooter is loud, obnoxious, drunk and has been warned about his language, I will be on the Don'ts.

Other than that it really does not matter too much. After a few drinks, I may not know which side I'm on.

100% wrong here. Boring and consistent Don't Pass line bets + odds.

I switch sides.....actually, I'm bi-sexual......If I can't get it, I "bi" it :)

Oh, that isn't what this is about LOL

Quote: Tomspur

I switch sides.....actually, I'm bi-sexual......If I can't get it, I "bi" it :)

Oh, that isn't what this is about LOL

Doubles your chances for a date on Saturday night...credit Woody Allen.

Mostly I bet right.

Something about the dark side disturbs me.

Be afraid, be very afraid.

Quote: beachbumbabs

HAMLET: To pass, or not to pass--that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of point-seven-out
Or to take arms against a sea of right-siders
And by opposing end them. Two die, to throw--
No more--and by a throw to say we end
The heartache, and the thousand natural shocks
That craps is heir to. 'Tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wished. Two die, to throw-- guy
To throw--perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub,
For in that throw of dice what dreams may come
When we have bet the hardways right,
Must give us pause. There's the respect
That makes calamity of darkside bets.
For who would bear the whips and scorns of don't,
Th' oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely
The pangs of despised love, the law's delay,
The insolence of office, and the spurns
That patient merit of th' unworthy takes,
When he himself might his quietus make
With a bare odds bet? Who would right sides bear,
To grunt and sweat under a choppy table,
But that the dread of something after point,
The undiscovered country, from whose bourn
No darksider returns, puzzles the will,
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Thus peer pressure does make cowards of us all,
And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,
And enterprise of great pitch and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry
And lose the name of action. -- Soft you now,
The fair Dice Goddess! -- Nymph, in thy orisons
Be all my sins remembered.

A thousand apologies to Wm. S.

This made my day lol

Brilliant work, BeachBumBabs!

I almost always bet the pass line and place the 6 and 8. It's rare that I switch and bet DP. Probably not even 1/2 of 1% of the time. I play craps hoping for a hot roll and the excitement of hitting points and pressing bets.

Quote: FleaStiff

So do I.
I start out on the Pass Line with the Dealers there too. It gets me noticed and now that they know I'm a tipper they are going to do what they can for me. Sometimes when I add odds to my line bet and to the dealers line bet and the stick calls out "Dealers Have Shoes" I get the idea they have not heard that call for their entire shift. I'll try to stay on the Right side for awhile but if things get too choppy I will switch to the Don'ts as I will when the dice come to me. If the shooter is loud, obnoxious, drunk and has been warned about his language, I will be on the Don'ts.

Other than that it really does not matter too much. After a few drinks, I may not know which side I'm on.

You tip?

Quote: FleaStiff

So do I.
I start out on the Pass Line with the Dealers there too. It gets me noticed and now that they know I'm a tipper they are going to do what they can for me. Sometimes when I add odds to my line bet and to the dealers line bet and the stick calls out "Dealers Have Shoes" I get the idea they have not heard that call for their entire shift. I'll try to stay on the Right side for awhile but if things get too choppy I will switch to the Don'ts as I will when the dice come to me. If the shooter is loud, obnoxious, drunk and has been warned about his language, I will be on the Don'ts.

Other than that it really does not matter too much. After a few drinks, I may not know which side I'm on.

You tip? Next thing we'll find out you're betting green chips!

Quote: MrV

I have pondered letting the apparent flow of the game dictate how I play, right or dark, depending on whether the table seems hot or cold.

As for choppy tables, well, who knows?

JOHN PATRICK KNOWS

Quote: beachbumbabs

HAMLET: To pass, or not to pass--that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of point-seven-out
Or to take arms against a sea of right-siders
And by opposing end them. Two die, to throw--
No more--and by a throw to say we end
The heartache, and the thousand natural shocks
That craps is heir to. 'Tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wished. Two die, to throw--
To throw--perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub,
For in that throw of dice what dreams may come
When we have bet the hardways right,
Must give us pause. There's the respect
That makes calamity of darkside bets.
For who would bear the whips and scorns of don't,
Th' oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely
The pangs of despised love, the law's delay,
The insolence of office, and the spurns
That patient merit of th' unworthy takes,
When he himself might his quietus make
With a bare odds bet? Who would right sides bear,
To grunt and sweat under a choppy table,
But that the dread of something after point,
The undiscovered country, from whose bourn
No darksider returns, puzzles the will,
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Thus peer pressure does make cowards of us all,
And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,
And enterprise of great pitch and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry
And lose the name of action. -- Soft you now,
The fair Dice Goddess! -- Nymph, in thy orisons
Be all my sins remembered.

A thousand apologies to Wm. S.

Did you just whip that off Babs? It would take me a week to do something half as good.

Quote: kenarman

Did you just whip that off Babs? It would take me a week to do something half as good.

The Bard wrote 98% of it. I just messed with it a little. It was surprisingly on point.

Hamlet, stop shooting dice
Tis holy ghosts will take your soul away,
Yago, needs no poison, but HE
Would be enough to destroy poor chap.

Quote: WhaleGeorge

You tip?

Of course I tip, but look at when and why I tip. At the beginning when the Floorman is still fondling my card and can see the tip bet and that I start out betting not one, but two red chips! It makes a good impression, I don't keep it up. And when dealers ain't heard "Dealer have shoes" for their entire shift, you bet I gain from that tip! Selfish, self centered; not generous or anything like that, you understand.

Even at the Venetian they liked the fact that my middle name on the players club card was Fleastiff.

And later, when place saving on a Florida day trippers boat, I left my umpteen players club cards and was careful to thumb through the keyring to make the Venetian card visible. A passing dealer noticed all the DayBoat cards saving player's spaces and obviously noticed the card that was odd man out, peered at it for awhile and then took it to the Casino Manager and said "they stamp it right on the card, that's a good system".

So, when you toss a coin to a disheveled beggar... remember, it may be going to be used as a tip at the craps table, not for booze.

Have you ever put a dealer toke bet up on the DP? I bet that would get some good looks.....

First time I ever played a friend told me to bet a four bet Martingale on the dark side. I'd lost 3 in a row and was not pleased. This pleasant old gentleman next to me was the next shooter. I liked him and said "I'm going along with you." Switched to Pass Odds Come Odds and needless to say he had a great roll. It's thrilling once you get that off and on going on the come. Heck I shot next and even hit 4 points. It went around the table before the table turned cold. Made my trip. I'll play Pass Odds Come Odds and leave if it's choppy. No more Martingales for me. I don't like the accelerated risk if it's not with house money

I'll usually bet the Do's, but will occasionally switch to the dark side if it's running rough. Although, the past few times at the tables, this has resulted in me losing my buy-in in about 10 minutes... 1/2 on PSO's, and the other 1/2 on a hot shooter after I make the switch! :P

Quote: SkittleCar1

Have you ever put a dealer toke bet up on the DP? I bet that would get some good looks.....

Indeed! That's why I make it a point to never put the dealers on the Don'ts with me. When I'm playing the dark side, I'll sometimes tip them a middle bet like a Yo on a non-come out roll, but usually, just toss them a chip and let them bet it or keep it, their choice.

Quote: SkittleCar1

Have you ever put a dealer toke bet up on the DP? I bet that would get some good looks.....

If they look anything but pleased they are getting a bet/tip they are undeserving idiots. I would love to bet DP and have a dealer give me a look for it. I would then be happy I don't have to tip.

This may be a good reason to play DP. save tips

very good Babs!

as for me, if the table is busy, or if with friends, IMO right-side is the only way to go. If the table is empty or near-empty, that's when I go darkside. I stick with my choice though, I'm very superstitious about switching sides - in fact excuse the repetitiveness!

Quote: AxelWolf

If they look anything but pleased they are getting a bet/tip they are undeserving idiots. I would love to bet DP and have a dealer give me a look for it. I would then be happy I don't have to tip.

This may be a good reason to play DP. save tips

I meant get some looks from the other players. The dealers I see cheer along with the player when they have a bet up for them. I wouldn't imagine them rooting for a seven out. :-)

Quote: Joeman

I'll usually bet the Do's, but will occasionally switch to the dark side if it's running rough. Although, the past few times at the tables, this has resulted in me losing my buy-in in about 10 minutes... 1/2 on PSO's, and the other 1/2 on a hot shooter after I make the switch! :P

Do Don't players win when the Do bettors don't? :)

I've had that happen to me, too. But overall I think the big difference bwteen Do and Don't is this: Don't players lose retail, Do players lose whoelsale; but they both lose roughly the same. Conversely Do players win retail, Don't players win wholesale; but they both lose roughly the same.

Clear? ;)

Quote: SkittleCar1

Have you ever put a dealer toke bet up on the DP? I bet that would get some good looks.....

My generally tipping procedure is to make a line bet equal to my line bet about once per circuit around the table (depending on how crowded it is, of course).

So I've done this all the time during my dark side sessions, usually only when I'm shooting though. The dealers don't mind and know they are getting tipped. The other players generally don't even know what the Don't Pass box is for and are confused when I'm getting a stack of chips and they are losing theirs :).

I'm pretty much a dark-sider, though I do respect the hot shooter by not donating much in free odds (Money). :P

Quote: SkittleCar1

Have you ever put a dealer toke bet up on the DP? I bet that would get some good looks.....

I often piggyback the dealers on the Don't Come. The odd people who don't know the game but see a don't bet might give a look. Those familiar with the more arcane aspects of craps might nod as a form of recognition. But they wouldn't ibe inclined to do much more.