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Boz
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April 30th, 2014 at 5:42:26 AM permalink
http://www.philly.com/philly/business/20140430_SugarHouse_dealer_invents_easier_game_of_craps.html

Dealer invents a one roll craps game because players don't have patience. Just put the highest HE bets into a game and watch them flock to the tables.

Interesting to see if this spreads after the initial test phase.
darthvader
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April 30th, 2014 at 6:02:39 AM permalink
Interesting. But this concept already existed:

http://wizardofodds.com/games/scossa/

Darth
7-out, line away, pay the don't. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esEcwAWi6dk
Boz
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April 30th, 2014 at 6:28:11 AM permalink
Quote: darthvader

Interesting. But this concept already existed:

http://wizardofodds.com/games/scossa/

Darth




Hey, I read it in the paper...it MUST be true!
ThatDonGuy
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April 30th, 2014 at 7:11:41 AM permalink
IIRC, "one-roll craps" is how Sic Bo got invented. (Craps evolved from an English game called Hazard; somebody added a third die, turned it into a one-roll game, called it Grand Hazard, and somewhere along the line the name changed to Sic Bo.)
Paradigm
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April 30th, 2014 at 8:40:48 AM permalink
This was exhibited at Raving in November......looks like they got a trial at their employer. Good luck to them, but when I played Scossa at Red Rock I believe, the novelty of one roll outcome dice game wore off pretty quickly.
superrick
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April 30th, 2014 at 9:03:44 AM permalink
SugarHouse dealer invents easier game of craps


http://www.philly.com/philly/business/20140430_SugarHouse_dealer_invents_easier_game_of_craps.html

I can easily understand why this dealer invented this game for the casino, all of the dealers there told me when I was playing there that the casino has a 47% table hold, because of their players thinking they are still playing street craps, you will never see so many prop bets made on every roll of the dice. The SugarHouse casino was making a killing on the craps tables, because of there prop bet action!


Quote:

From one of the great fiction writers

My Sugarhouse sessions were amongst the most interesting ones that I encountered on this Pennslyvania road trip, and they were definitely the most numerous.  I played there for about a day and a half, and it proved to be the most profitable (cumulatively) of everywhere I played this time out


That had to be one great piece of fiction, the Sugerhouse had to be the worst casino I've ever played in because the table were always packed and there were so many prop bets made on each roll of the dice that It would drive anybody off the deep end, that knew how to play craps. There is no way that the great fiction writer could win at that casino, unless he was betting on the so-call random rollers, he would never get the dice, I tried all different times to play there and was told that the tables stay full all of the time, there are no good time when you could find an empty table to play on.

The dealers there were some of the best that I've seen on any table, they had to be to handle all of the prop bets that were being made there! It will be interesting to see what this dealer came up with to help them with their prop bets!
Note, all my post start with this is just my opinion...! You do good brada ..! superrick Winning comes from knowledge and skill when your betting and not reading fiction http://procraps4u2.myfanforum.org/index.php ...
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May 1st, 2014 at 3:16:14 PM permalink
One dealer at the table.

Saves big bucks for the casino, instead of 4-5 on a regular craps table.

Then, you have all the high HE bets, and you even increase the edge, "any seven" at 4 to 1, usually its 5 to 1.

So the house wins even more....

SFB
petroglyph
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May 1st, 2014 at 4:46:07 PM permalink
Quote: SFB

One dealer at the table.

Saves big bucks for the casino, instead of 4-5 on a regular craps table.

Then, you have all the high HE bets, and you even increase the edge, "any seven" at 4 to 1, usually its 5 to 1.

So the house wins even more....

SFB





I thought the any 7 was always 4 to 1 or stated differently 5 for 1? Or a buck on big red pays 5 dollars if it hits but one of them dollars was already yours.
darthvader
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May 1st, 2014 at 5:47:18 PM permalink
Since the probability of a 7 on any roll is 1/6, paying 5 to 1 would be true odds. As such, they pay only 4 to 1. Worst bet on the table from a HE standpoint.

Darth
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Steen
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May 4th, 2014 at 12:52:58 AM permalink
Quote: darthvader

Since the probability of a 7 on any roll is 1/6, paying 5 to 1 would be true odds. As such, they pay only 4 to 1. Worst bet on the table from a HE standpoint.



Actually there are two that are worse depending on how you look at it. A Passline or Come bet made as a Put bet without odds on the points 4,5,9,or 10.

The HE on:
Put 4/10 no odds is 33.3%
Put 5/9 no odds is 20%

Also regarding the OP's question about the possible popularity of a single-roll craps game, I'm reminded of the game Sic Bo (or Chuck-a-luck). This game also consisted of a myriad of high HE one-roll bets but you'd be hard-pressed to find this game anywhere presumably because craps was more focused and interesting. The idea of a shooter with some objective beyond a single roll seems to have more appeal.

Steen

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