Craps Dealer Rant
Please feel free to beat me up if you feel I'm the problem in this specific instance. I probably deserve it just for admitting that I was at that establishment 😐
The pass/come bets can be lower, but place bets still have to be in $5/$6 units.
I agree that it was dicky of the dealer to not politely explain that.
YES. You are wrong to assume when you are new to Vegas and should be asking rather than assuming since its YOUR money and the dealer has a job that he gets paid to do and that includes his answering your questions.Quote: SGITAm I wrong in assuming ...
Sorry, but thats the way it is. YOU are the newbie. So ask questions, speak up, confirm something that you assume and above all feel free to do it before the bankroll gets critical.
Quote: BuzzardI understand the drop increased greatly in 2013. Merely a coincidence, I must assume .
No, it fell off. In fact, they went from two crap tables to one after I left. Seriously. But that was due to a dealer or two with 'tude remaining.
Quote: BuzzardAmazing how a friendly, outgoing, and knowledge employee can add to a casino's bottom line. A shame most bosses are unaware of such a basic fact !
True. Have fun when dealing, it's contagious.
The sad reality is that the casino pit is often a rude place to work because of "da suits."
Quote: PaigowdanThe sad reality is that the casino pit is often a rude place to work because of "da suits."
Maybe so. But when the floor supervisors start showing up in flip-flops and shorts, that will be it for me ;)
Quote: SGITMew forum member and this is my first time starting a new thread, so I apologize in advance if this has been previously discussed (or already beaten to death). I'm new to Vegas and I'm still checking out some of the off-strip locations, mostly Stations Casinos, as I live in Henderson. Yesterday I decided to stop by the Fiesta Henderson to see what it was all about and noticed that they had a $3 craps table. I bought in for $80 and after a couple of 7-outs I'm down to my last $20 after making a pass line/odds bet on a point of 10. I toss in 4 reds to the base dealer and requested "inside, $6 6 & 8". I'm expecting the dealer to place $6 on the 6-8 and $4 on the 5-9 (or $3 on the 5-9 and toss me $2 change). The dealer places one red on the 5-6-8-9 and promptly requests $2 more for the 6 & 8. I didn't think that I was making the dealer take a calculus exam when I made the bet but now I'm starting to wonder if I'm the problem? I was already a little pissed after running through $50 in 5 minutes and the dealer not being able to figure out that they needed to break one or both of the remaining $5 chips caused me to make a not-so-nice comment regarding the dealer's mental abilities.
Please feel free to beat me up if you feel I'm the problem in this specific instance. I probably deserve it just for admitting that I was at that establishment 😐
It is up to you to watch your money. It may not be right, but it is so.
That said, I play a 3 dollar minimum table sometimes. They don't pay odds on a 3 place inside bet, even money until wager reaches 5 or 6 respectively.
My first thought on your original post [this thread] was, new dealers are lousy mind readers, it takes them a few years to get the hang of knowing what you want without having to tell them.
The dealer could mistakenly of also thought for twenty inside you wanted $6 on the 6&8, with $3 table min. on the 5 and $5 on the 9?
Quote: SGITMew forum member and this is my first time starting a new thread, so I apologize in advance if this has been previously discussed (or already beaten to death). I'm new to Vegas and I'm still checking out some of the off-strip locations, mostly Stations Casinos, as I live in Henderson. Yesterday I decided to stop by the Fiesta Henderson to see what it was all about and noticed that they had a $3 craps table. I bought in for $80 and after a couple of 7-outs I'm down to my last $20 after making a pass line/odds bet on a point of 10. I toss in 4 reds to the base dealer and requested "inside, $6 6 & 8". I'm expecting the dealer to place $6 on the 6-8 and $4 on the 5-9 (or $3 on the 5-9 and toss me $2 change). The dealer places one red on the 5-6-8-9 and promptly requests $2 more for the 6 & 8. I didn't think that I was making the dealer take a calculus exam when I made the bet but now I'm starting to wonder if I'm the problem? I was already a little pissed after running through $50 in 5 minutes and the dealer not being able to figure out that they needed to break one or both of the remaining $5 chips caused me to make a not-so-nice comment regarding the dealer's mental abilities.
Unfortunately when your playing on a three dollars table, most likely your playing at a breaking house. So it's up to you to learn how to bet the game and watch where your bets are being placed for, one of the thing some of these casinos will also have, is dealers that have been dealing for over 20 years and they never advanced in their profession!
Cheap tables give you some very golden opportunities to make money if you understand the game and how to bet it.
My advice would be to go to the library and check out any book you can on craps, our library system here has excellent selection on anything to do with gamble. Then to go home and practice your betting and learning where your bets are placed on the lay-out!
I sometimes play in outlying casinos around Vegas, living in Vegas is a completely different experience that most players will never experience. Playing craps up to seven days a week you soon learn how to pick out the bad dealers.
For a local player Station Casinos are only a few minutes away, but there is a totally different atmosphere in each one of them, it's up to you to pick which one suits you the best for your style of play!
"Buy the 6 and 8"
"I want the 6 10 5 4 9 and 8"
"What do the yellow bets pay?" (Hard ways)
"I want a crap jack" (crap check)
"I want a hiyo" (??? Horn high 11, or 11 straight up, or 11&12split???)
And just about any other thing that doesn't make sense. If your bets aren't all the same unit size, tell the dealer "$3 5 and 9, $6 6 and 8". If you say " inside, $6 6&8" I'm gonna expect $2 more dollars, especially if you've been playing reds this whole time.
Although, I have had some bad experiences with dealers there. There must be something about me throwing a $100 on the table and asking for a $24 six & eight...they can't figure that out, and still try to give me an infinite amount of white chips in return!!
Horn high!
Horn high what?
Right there (pointing in general to the middle of the table)
The guys at GVR or Sunset are much more up to speed but of course, there you won't get $3 craps.
They should have just confirmed your action by asking you the question. They have to do it a million times a day, I don't understand why they would not in your case.
Sometimes dealers are tought to not give change, rather ask for more money. The more money you have booked on the layout, the more the potential winnings for the casino.
It is an old but dirty trick.
Next time, rather lay it out for them in plain old English. I want a $6 6 and 8 and a $3 5 and 9 like RS suggested.
Or, just don't go back to that dump :) (Sorry Dan)
Quote: superrickI sometimes play in outlying casinos around Vegas, living in Vegas is a completely different experience that most players will never experience.
Rick, have you ever played at Red Rock? If so, what do you think of it? If not, what have you heard about it?
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Rick, have you ever played at Red Rock? If so, what do you think of it? If not, what have you heard about it?
Sonny44, I play it all the casinos in and around Vegas that have craps tables, Every Station Casino has a totally different clientele, the reason for this is very simple, they inherit the players from around where the casino is located.
Fiesta Casino and Green Valley are only about 5 miles apart if that. And the casinos are like night and day. Green Valley is in a higher-end community, so you have a better clientele going there!
Red Rock Casino, is a step up from Green Valley, only because they import players off strip. For Station Casinos, Red Rock Casino is their high-end casino! So with that said it all depends on what you're looking for.
I'm not into playing where the players don't know what they are doing or there is a high turnover of players buying into the game then leaving because they lost everything they had to play with. I play at the off hours of the day and night.
I avoid playing when we have major conventions or shows going on in town. I hate March madness and the beginning part of April, because of all the crazies that come in for sports bet books, that don't know what they're doing on a craps table. So during that time frame I avoid the strip, because these guys will party all night long and then get on a craps table.
Last week the dealer in a poker tournament spelled just awful. Last night we were playing craps
and the stick man smelled just like that, me and the guy at SR1 both noticed it, then next stickman came up
and she was ok, then another guy came in and he was just was bad. Two times in a week , it was terrible i have noticed
anything like that since i was in laughlin and the stick lady decided she would rid herself of some excess gas.
Take a bath that is my rant.
dicesetter
Quote: petroglyphIt is up to you to watch your money. It may not be right, but it is so.
That said, I play a 3 dollar minimum table sometimes. They don't pay odds on a 3 place inside bet, even money until wager reaches 5 or 6 respectively.
My first thought on your original post [this thread] was, new dealers are lousy mind readers, it takes them a few years to get the hang of knowing what you want without having to tell them.
The dealer could mistakenly of also thought for twenty inside you wanted $6 on the 6&8, with $3 table min. on the 5 and $5 on the 9?
Noted... I assumed when I stated "inside, $6 6-8" that the dealer would realize that he needed to break at least one of the $5 chips to make the two $6 bets, leaving $8 (1 red/3 white or 8 white chips for the 5-9 place bets. I will try to do a better job of communicating next time and refrain from losing my patience because the dice aren't running very hot.
In hindsight, I probably should have switched to playing the Don't instead of throwing more money away making a pass line/place bet or just walked away from the table with the $20 after the back-to-back point/7out rolls.
Quote: dicesitterI have rant of my own, i think people that work at a casino should take a bath.
Last week the dealer in a poker tournament spelled just awful. Last night we were playing craps
and the stick man smelled just like that, me and the guy at SR1 both noticed it, then next stickman came up
and she was ok, then another guy came in and he was just was bad. Two times in a week , it was terrible i have noticed
anything like that since i was in laughlin and the stick lady decided she would rid herself of some excess gas.
Take a bath that is my rant.
dicesetter
I was at Harrah's Laughlin last night. Was the sticklady about 55-60 with blonde hair? I experienced a similar event and assumed that it was the old guy on my left that dropped ass and not the sticklady to my right.
That's some funny stuff.
That part I mentioned about watching your own money is from personal experience. I wonder how much money I left out there that got swept away because I had more bets out than I could keep track of? Now that I'm a lot more aware I catch them all the time trying to misplace or incorrectly make payouts. It's almost comical, even what you perceive to be experienced dealers, stuff happens.
That was my main point in playing devils advocate. How many times have you heard a player asking the dealer how much or where they had wagers? I still slip once in a while, but certainly not often.
I think if a player is playing that low of stakes where the difference between a winning or losing session can be $3, it's critical to keep track [always is]. If the player is going green or black or higher there is room to regress after a win and still have a winning session. Where as if playing minimum stakes and not winning any odds it's like going one for one against the house, that even takes away any hope for variance to put the player ahead [hope that makes sense].
end of ramble
Its not an easy life to be a dice dealer if you work in grind joints wherein tipping is an archaic behavior involving voluntary over paying.
Quote: dicesitterLast week the dealer in a poker tournament spelled just awful.dicesetter
So what you are saying is that the guy couldn't spell properly? Which words could he not spell? Rake, pot, all in?? :)
Just having a bit of fun
