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On average, during the course of 100 points being established in craps: (1) How many of those would be 4/10, 5/9 or 6/8, (2) During the 100 how many times would each point (4/10, 5/9, 6/8) vs. a 7 be made?
— Jon from Danville, New Hampshire
Of those 100 points established, on average 41.67 would be on a 6 or 8, 33.33 would be on a 5 or 9, and 25.00 would be on a 4 or 10. You could expect on average 18.94 points made on a 6 or 8, 13.33 on a 5 or 9, and 8.33 on a 4 or 10.
Based on this information that would mean on the opposite side a seven out would come up:
23 times on 6/8 per 100 points
20 times on 5/9 per 100 points
17 times on 4/10 per 100 points.
As a don't player I am trying to calculate the number of point on average before back to back 7 outs occur.
My thought is when betting the don't with a base 1 unit wager I can get a 7 out 2 times in a row before 12 points are achieved. I'm just looking for the odds?
Once I have this information I would also like to include the come out 7 / 11 as a loss towards the 12 points.
I believe the odds of getting a 7 out twice are higher then hitting 12 points total (including the 7/11 come out loss)
PROVE ME WRONG!!!
Quote: vegasrvpOn the Wizard of odds site I cam across the following information:
On average, during the course of 100 points being established in craps: (1) How many of those would be 4/10, 5/9 or 6/8, (2) During the 100 how many times would each point (4/10, 5/9, 6/8) vs. a 7 be made?
— Jon from Danville, New Hampshire
Of those 100 points established, on average 41.67 would be on a 6 or 8, 33.33 would be on a 5 or 9, and 25.00 would be on a 4 or 10. You could expect on average 18.94 points made on a 6 or 8, 13.33 on a 5 or 9, and 8.33 on a 4 or 10.
Based on this information that would mean on the opposite side a seven out would come up:
23 times on 6/8 per 100 points
20 times on 5/9 per 100 points
17 times on 4/10 per 100 points.
As a don't player I am trying to calculate the number of point on average before back to back 7 outs occur.
My thought is when betting the don't with a base 1 unit wager I can get a 7 out 2 times in a row before 12 points are achieved. I'm just looking for the odds?
Once I have this information I would also like to include the come out 7 / 11 as a loss towards the 12 points.
I believe the odds of getting a 7 out twice are higher then hitting 12 points total (including the 7/11 come out loss)
PROVE ME WRONG!!!
As a DI, where I shoot to roll numbers and avoid the dreaded "7" It's actually pretty easy to roll a 7 if I was to choose dark side shooting. If i set the dice to a certain set, I can "make it happen within 3 rolls" but then it wouldn't be fun. I mentioned in another forum, that if a dark side shooter making 6k per roll if 7 out wants to tip me a couple black chips every once in a while, I can "Make it happen" where he wins every chip the casino has to offer.
dark side shooters should "take care" of DI's more often if they want the numbers up.
Quote: CrapsGeniousAs a DI, where I shoot to roll numbers and avoid the dreaded "7" It's actually pretty easy to roll a 7 if I was to choose dark side shooting. If i set the dice to a certain set, I can "make it happen within 3 rolls" but then it wouldn't be fun. I mentioned in another forum, that if a dark side shooter making 6k per roll if 7 out wants to tip me a couple black chips every once in a while, I can "Make it happen" where he wins every chip the casino has to offer.
dark side shooters should "take care" of DI's more often if they want the numbers up.
If it's pretty easy to roll a 7 if you choose to, why don't you just play the don't all the time? You could become wealthy with your skills of dice influence by setting the dice to your certain set. It wouldn't be fun making thousands and thousands of dollars? You could retire next year instead of in 8 years.
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Quote: CrapsGeniousAs a DI, where I shoot to roll numbers and avoid the dreaded "7" It's actually pretty easy to roll a 7 if I was to choose dark side shooting. If i set the dice to a certain set, I can "make it happen within 3 rolls" but then it wouldn't be fun. I mentioned in another forum, that if a dark side shooter making 6k per roll if 7 out wants to tip me a couple black chips every once in a while, I can "Make it happen" where he wins every chip the casino has to offer.
dark side shooters should "take care" of DI's more often if they want the numbers up.
CrapsGenious - If you are positive you can "make it happen", meaning that with a certain dice set, on a regulation table, with regulation dice, and a legal throw, you can make a 7 come up within 3 rolls, then be prepared for the backlash you will receive from this community. Now, if you wish to demonstrate it over an agreed upon sample size for a decent wager, please let me know.
I said something like this before. He is just trying to troll people. He probably is sitting back laughing. I know its hard to ignore this kind of rubbish however if the normal posters just stop responding. It won't be fun for him. Perhaps this is not just for fun and he is charging people. We all know their are suckers out their.Quote: MidwestAPCrapsGenious - If you are positive you can "make it happen", meaning that with a certain dice set, on a regulation table, with regulation dice, and a legal throw, you can make a 7 come up within 3 rolls, then be prepared for the backlash you will receive from this community. Now, if you wish to demonstrate it over an agreed upon sample size for a decent wager, please let me know.
Hahahahahahahahahaha. No you can't. You will find no shortage of takers on this site that would love to take this bet so not only could you make millions in the casino, you could clean us all out.Quote: CrapsGeniousIf i set the dice to a certain set, I can "make it happen within 3 rolls" but then it wouldn't be fun.
Axel is right, you are just trolling. That's got to be the only explanation because if you actually believe what you are saying, you are going to lose a lot of money.
Quote: AxelWolfI said something like this before. He is just trying to troll people. He probably is sitting back laughing. I know its hard to ignore this kind of rubbish however if the normal posters just stop responding. It won't be fun for him. Perhaps this is not just for fun and he is charging people. We all know their are suckers out their.
Sir, I would never think of anything as far as trapping / trolling people and I don't intend to take money from people. Don't take me for con artist in any way, i'm just an old man who enjoys gambling tis' all.
Quote: JB85Hahahahahahahahahaha. No you can't. You will find no shortage of takers on this site that would love to take this bet so not only could you make millions in the casino, you could clean us all out.
Axel is right, you are just trolling. That's got to be the only explanation because if you actually believe what you are saying, you are going to lose a lot of money.
Hey sir, don't take my word for it, try it for yourself:
1) go to a live craps table and choose spot 8 (Left side of stick man)
2) when you get the dice, bet a small amount on the don't pass line.
3) Set the dice 6/2 top and 2/4 facing you and turn both dice facing the back wall (Thumb should be between the 2/4, Index finger is on the 3 & middle finger is diagonally positioned across the 5/3)
4) Pick up the dice approx 4" from the table felt and proceed to shoot them to the back wall straight across making sure both dice hit the back wall.
that's it. If you got it right, you should average 5x 7's within 15 throws or 1:3 throws.
When you get it down right, you will be able to throw back to back 7's on comeout.
Like I said before many times, it's not about money, it's about having fun.
here is also a good strategy to use while doing this:
1) Let all the players know you are shooting strickly for a seven so no one bets too heavy.
2) on comeout roll bet $5 on any 7. or if Hopping bets are available, bet all the hopping 7's pays 15:1. easy money.
3) if you miss out on winning the any 7, just keep track and do a martingale on the any 7 pays 4:1
(loss progression $5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40) If you can't roll a 7 in 8 attempts from the dice set i posted, then you need to retire from the game and take up a new hobby.
Quote: MathExtremistI'd love to fade this action. Antoine Gombauld is rolling over in his grave.
Well it is true. When I shoot the dice, my goal is to make all the firebet numbers, and I expect an average win potential of $500. Knowing it doesn't happen all the time I'll settle for $100 in wins from my shooting per session. But... if the darkside shooter is at the table and says to the stick man "$100 any 7 for the shooter" and I don't have any points made yet, Damn right, i'm gonna try for that 7.
Quote: CrapsGenious
As a DI, where I shoot to roll numbers and avoid the dreaded "7" It's actually pretty easy to roll a 7 if I was to choose dark side shooting. If i set the dice to a certain set, I can "make it happen within 3 rolls" but then it wouldn't be fun. I mentioned in another forum, that if a dark side shooter making 6k per roll if 7 out wants to tip me a couple black chips every once in a while, I can "Make it happen" where he wins every chip the casino has to offer.
dark side shooters should "take care" of DI's more often if they want the numbers up.
Well you do keep us entertained with all your post!
Quote: CrapsGenious
Well it is true. When I shoot the dice, my goal is to make all the firebet numbers, and I expect an average win potential of $500. Knowing it doesn't happen all the time I'll settle for $100 in wins from my shooting per session. But... if the darkside shooter is at the table and says to the stick man "$100 any 7 for the shooter" and I don't have any points made yet, Damn right, i'm gonna try for that 7.
Do you ever read what you wrote? I love the last part of your post, did I read it right? You're gonna try to make that seven, isn't there a big difference between try and making? I love dark side players trying to make the 7, when I'm on the right side of the table!
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Quote: RonCPlease provide us the results of your last 20 trips to the casino. You say a lot about winning but put some number in front of us. If you are as good as you say you are, I need to bet on your rolls and make money instead of working!!
If you read my posts, I talk about being a DI, Not a Dice controller.
Even though my dice sets do give me an advantage to "Avoid" the 7.
I'm not saying that I can roll numbers as I call them, thats impossible or highly unlikely to work.
The "7" however using a certain dice set can come out quite a bit, again i'm not saying I can roll what I call but when it comes to rolling the 7, I can comfortably say 1:3 rolls I can do it.
So bring your money to Buffalo NY. and I'll try my best to "make it happen" for you. I won't ask for money in return but if you feel your happy with your winnings and want to throw me a black chip every once in a while, I will not refuse.
Quote: CrapsGeniousWell it is true. When I shoot the dice, my goal is to make all the firebet numbers, and I expect an average win potential of $500. Knowing it doesn't happen all the time I'll settle for $100 in wins from my shooting per session. But... if the darkside shooter is at the table and says to the stick man "$100 any 7 for the shooter" and I don't have any points made yet, Damn right, i'm gonna try for that 7.
You think you can roll a 7 every three rolls, and that means you have a 66.67% edge on the Any 7 bet: you stand to make 2 units every 3 rolls. But you're still betting the Fire bet instead?
I would gladly fade you on the Any 7 bet at better odds than the casino pays, say 44-to-10. That gives you 80% edge over me -- if you're right.
Quote: RonCPlease provide us the results of your last 20 trips to the casino. You say a lot about winning but put some number in front of us. If you are as good as you say you are, I need to bet on your rolls and make money instead of working!!
I'm sorry, but I play craps 3-4hrs per visit and it's impossible to record results, (at the time, I really don't care to) especially from 20 visits. I can tell you though as I've posted many of my visits on this forum, I do have the opportunity to hedge and win an average of 3x 4 number firebets for $120/lay giving me $60 to $100 profits per weekend.
About the other bets, I can not keep track of how many times I win on the 6/8 place bets, I do however keep track of the hard 6's and hard 8's parley wins.
I'm sure when I do retire from my job, I'll be spending more of my time at the tables.
truth of the matter is, this is not my thread and I don't want to fall off the topic from the OP.
Quote: CrapsGenious
So bring your money to Buffalo NY. and I'll try my best to "make it happen" for you. I won't ask for money in return but if you feel your happy with your winnings and want to throw me a black chip every once in a while, I will not refuse.
Is it something in the water up there? Face? SOOPOO? ontariodealer? Or is it all the snow?
Quote: CrapsGeniousIf you read my posts, I talk about being a DI, Not a Dice controller.
Even though my dice sets do give me an advantage to "Avoid" the 7.
I'm not saying that I can roll numbers as I call them, thats impossible or highly unlikely to work.
The "7" however using a certain dice set can come out quite a bit, again i'm not saying I can roll what I call but when it comes to rolling the 7, I can comfortably say 1:3 rolls I can do it.
So bring your money to Buffalo NY. and I'll try my best to "make it happen for you.
Are you willing to bet that you can do that?
Quote: beachbumbabsIs it something in the water up there? Face? SOOPOO? ontariodealer? Or is it all the snow?
Tell you what? no gambling but, next time I visit the canadian casino, and OntarioDealer is working, I will wait till he is in stickman position and I will move to spot 8 left side, and I will tell him, "Here we go, this one is for the forum and I will set the dice and roll a 7 in 3 rolls" right in front of him, (i've already done it before when he was working but I didn't prove anything).
But I don't want to wager anything online, I don't do that.
Actually now that I think about it, I think it was Ontariodealer working when I rolled 3x7's in a row on comeout followed by request to change the dice) that was just two weeks ago.
also as mentioned in the other threads, I can only do this in confidence when shooting from spot 8.
Quote: CrapsGeniousI can tell you though as I've posted many of my visits on this forum, I do have the opportunity to hedge and win an average of 3x 4 number firebets for $120/lay giving me $60 to $100 profits per weekend.
I'm sure when I do retire from my job, I'll be spending more of my time at the tables.
You can make $400/hour with $5 Any 7 bets, assuming you can roll a 7 every 3 rolls and you're playing solo at 120 rolls/hour. You may want to reconsider spending time on the Fire Bet if all you make is $100 per weekend.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceAre you willing to bet that you can do that?
No fair, I was here first. :)
Quote: MathExtremistYou can make $400/hour with $5 Any 7 bets, assuming you can roll a 7 every 3 rolls and you're playing solo at 120 rolls/hour. You may want to reconsider spending time on the Fire Bet if all you make is $100 per weekend.
it's not 100/weekend, it's 100 per hedge on 4th number firebet hedges averaging $300/weekend. And yes, I am in the midst of experimenting other wager options. right now I changed to 6/8 and hard 6/8 for my betting choices.
Quote: CrapsGeniousTell you what? no gambling but, next time I visit the canadian casino, and OntarioDealer is working, I will wait till he is in stickman position and I will move to spot 8 left side, and I will tell him, "Here we go, this one is for the forum and I will set the dice and roll a 7 in 3 rolls" right in front of him, (i've already done it before when he was working but I didn't prove anything).
But I don't want to wager anything online, I don't do that.
How about wagering something in the casino?
"Any 7" pays 4-1 (5 for 1). It's a horrible bet, but it's a GREAT bet if you can roll a 7 every 3 rolls. Every 3 rolls you lose 2 units and win 4 for a net profit of 2 units every 3 rolls. That's a 66% edge!
Here is a quick way to get rich off this:
Take some amount of money that you want to gamble with to the casino. $1000, $2000, whatever. Every roll, bet 10% of your money on "any 7" (you can be really smart and split that 10% into 3, and bet 1/3 of each of the prop bets that total a 7 for an even higher edge)
They will make you have a line bet to shoot, so just bet a table-minimum pass or don't. The key is that you always bet 10% of whatever you have in front of you on the one-roll, any 7 bet.
It should not take you long to be bumping up against the table maximum. At this point, just keep betting table max. You will clean them out. Forget 8 years until retirement -- you can retire next month.
Of course, if you actually only throw 7's 1 time in 6 you will be the one to get cleaned out.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceHow about wagering something in the casino?
"Any 7" pays 4-1 (5 for 1). It's a horrible bet, but it's a GREAT bet if you can roll a 7 every 3 rolls. Every 3 rolls you lose 2 units and win 4 for a net profit of 2 units every 3 rolls. That's a 66% edge!
Here is a quick way to get rich off this:
Take some amount of money that you want to gamble with to the casino. $1000, $2000, whatever. Every roll, bet 10% of your money on "any 7" (you can be really smart and split that 10% into 3, and bet 1/3 of each of the prop bets that total a 7 for an even higher edge)
They will make you have a line bet to shoot, so just bet a table-minimum pass or don't. The key is that you always bet 10% of whatever you have in front of you on the one-roll, any 7 bet.
It should not take you long to be bumping up against the table maximum. At this point, just keep betting table max. You will clean them out. Forget 8 years until retirement -- you can retire next month.
Of course, if you actually only throw 7's 1 time in 6 you will be the one to get cleaned out.
Everything looks good on paper.
I like the idea of the any 7 bet but I think much more profitable if I just bet $25 on the DP and press it after each win, but need an empty or not busy table to keep getting the dice. I haven't tried this yet.
Also if you count the time at the casino, the only way it would make sense is if i'm there at 5am when table is not busy and dice come my way more frequently.
Not saying i wouldn't work, but yea, it might be worth the try. Just the other day I read a post from another member who wanted to Lay all the numbers on comeout and I had mentioned to that member that you can save the vig by just playing the any seven.
Here is the link:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/17307-lay-on-the-come-out/
I even created a WinCraps classic file to test the results running sims of 100, 1000, 10000, 100000 rolls.
Quote: CrapsGeniousEverything looks good on paper.
I like the idea of the any 7 bet but I think much more profitable if I just bet $25 on the DP and press it after each win, but need an empty or not busy table to keep getting the dice. I haven't tried this yet.
Also if you count the time at the casino, the only way it would make sense is if i'm there at 5am when table is not busy and dice come my way more frequently.
Not saying i wouldn't work, but yea, it might be worth the try. Just the other day I read a post from another member who wanted to Lay all the numbers on comeout and I had mentioned to that member that you can save the vig by just playing the any seven.
Here is the link:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/17307-lay-on-the-come-out/
I even created a WinCraps classic file to test the results running sims of 100, 1000, 10000, 100000 rolls.
You understand that the reason that I'm suggesting this is because I do not believe for a second that you can roll one 7 every 3 rolls. But, hey, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Keep me in mind when you are buying private islands for your friends.
My way is definitely better for you, if you can do this. You have a 66% edge on EACH ROLL. You will make a lot of money in a very short amount of time. I am talking about making a modest buy-in and taking every chip that the dealers have in front of them. The fact that there is a resolution every roll helps you -- you want as many resolutions as possible. If you are really really rolling one out of every 3, your chances of not being way ahead after a few hundred rolls is basically nil.
I would not find this any different from JuicyJenny. her fist posts started out about how lucky she was. At least she had enough scene to know it's luck what your claiming is skillQuote: CrapsGenious
So bring your money to Buffalo NY. and I'll try my best to "make it happen" for you. I won't ask for money in return but if you feel your happy with your winnings and want to throw me a black chip every once in a while, I will not refuse.
If you are not trolling then to me, this is a Con and a hustle.
I have little doubt you're just an old reincarnated member tying to troll or chip hustle people.
Quote: AxelWolfI would not find this any different from JuicyJenny. her fist posts started out about how lucky she was. At least she had enough scene to know it's luck what your claiming is skill
If you are not trolling then to me, this is a Con and a hustle.
I have little doubt you're just an old reincarnated member tying to troll or chip hustle people.
maybe it is luck, I don't know. All I know is that dice set in spot 8 rolls a ton of sevens. I'm not trying to con anyone, I'm just saying that the dice set used (6/2 top, 2/4 facing me) when used at spot 8 produces a lot of sevens. Maybe the ratio 1:3 is too far fetched for many to believe but that's what it looks like to me. How about I use 5:15 rolls as a ratio for that dice set, is that more to your liking.
I do not wish to wager or even prove it, because if I do it the first time, they call it luck, if I do it the second time, still lucky, if I do it the 3rd time, then you guys will be satisfied that I can do it, but then it just makes me more "cocky" than I already am. What will it prove.
I have many more things I would like to prove far more better than just rolling a 7 within 3 spins. I want to prove my hedging the firebets to be profitable and to be recognized as a good bet, instead of another topic to chew to shreds.
I also want to prove that the 6/8 strategy holds water without having a hand full of members chewing it to shreds.
Quote: vegasrvpThat's great....so you don't have an actual answer then?
Answer is "no to gambling against other members"
sorry sir, no deal.
Quote: AxelWolfI would not find this any different from JuicyJenny.
This is NOWHERE near as good as JJ.
Here is the thing about dice control, or what ever term you want to use.
If you have ability to repeat numbers more often than random results
may indicate, those repeats can just as well be a 7 as any other number.
A hardway set can produce more 4/3/4/3 than carter has little liver pills
and one would say all you have to do it bet the donts.....
except for one thing what are you going to on the come out, if you are good
enough to always throw a non 7 number on the come out, why not do that all
the time instead.
MY belief is if you do the same thing over and over you will repeat some
numbers, you just have to find a way to be on them when you hit them.
dicesetter
Quote: dicesitterWell
Here is the thing about dice control, or what ever term you want to use.
If you have ability to repeat numbers more often than random results
may indicate, those repeats can just as well be a 7 as any other number.
A hardway set can produce more 4/3/4/3 than carter has little liver pills
and one would say all you have to do it bet the donts.....
except for one thing what are you going to on the come out, if you are good
enough to always throw a non 7 number on the come out, why not do that all
the time instead.
MY belief is if you do the same thing over and over you will repeat some
numbers, you just have to find a way to be on them when you hit them.
dicesetter
There you go. You just introduced one of my betting systems, "Got to be in it to win it"
I happen to roll many 6's, 8's in my dice set when I shoot.
So yes I am on the numbers. 6/8 for $12 each and power press to $30 after a win. I also side bet $5/hard 6/8 and parley to $50 after a win.
This works well for me and also others who bet on my trends when I am shooting.
I know your next question will be "If so, why not bet all of your chips on 6/8?"
because money is not my mission in gambling. It's all about having a winning system.
Quote: CrapsGeniousI know your next question will be "If so, why not bet all of your chips on 6/8?"
because money is not my mission in gambling. It's all about having a winning system.
Quote: CrapsGeniousmoney is not my mission in gambling. It's all about having a winning system.
Wat?
Quote: TerribleTomWat?
nevermind, I take it back, I take it back. :P
