Hot Shooters? Skilled Shooters?
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I've seen some shooters that were *very* careful with the dice. Making sure they both faced the same way, picking them up the same way, throwing them the same way, whatever. I never really noticed them getting "hot".
OTOH, I've seen some "hot" shooters that just chucked the dice down the table.
I don't believe in dice rolling skill, but obviously some folks do. Curious to see poll results, though I doubt the traffic here is high enough to get a really good feel for the crowd.
Quote: TerribleTomDoes anyone really believe that some shooters can throw more (or fewer) 7s (or any other number, for that matter) with some technique or something?
I've seen some shooters that were *very* careful with the dice. Making sure they both faced the same way, picking them up the same way, throwing them the same way, whatever. I never really noticed them getting "hot".
OTOH, I've seen some "hot" shooters that just chucked the dice down the table.
I don't believe in dice rolling skill, but obviously some folks do. Curious to see poll results, though I doubt the traffic here is high enough to get a really good feel for the crowd.
You need to go to a live craps table and watch the game to fully get the answer you're looking for. The true answer is yes, yes, yes.
There are quite a few shooters here that may not be as skilled as a robot, but they have no problems rolling the same numbers after setting and throwing the dice.
There is an asian lady that puts one dice on top of the other and rolls multiple 6's, 8's, 5's and a few of the other numbers. I'm not saying she doesn't roll 7-out because she does, no one can be that perfect. It's hard to prove that DI roll more numbers than a random shooter, but I know there is an advantage in betting the trends of the skilled shooters.
Example: one guy made sure both dice had the 4 facing up and the 2 facing the far wall. He set them side by side, picked them up very gingerly with thumb and two fingers, tapped them on the table a few times to "set" them in his grip then lobbed them high so they hit just inches from the wall. They usually bounced just once, hit the wall and landed.
I did not notice that he got any particularly spectacular results.
Quote: TerribleTomDoes anyone really believe that some shooters can throw more (or fewer) 7s (or any other number, for that matter) with some technique or something?
I've seen some shooters that were *very* careful with the dice. Making sure they both faced the same way, picking them up the same way, throwing them the same way, whatever. I never really noticed them getting "hot".
OTOH, I've seen some "hot" shooters that just chucked the dice down the table.
I don't believe in dice rolling skill, but obviously some folks do. Curious to see poll results, though I doubt the traffic here is high enough to get a really good feel for the crowd.
You need to go to a live craps table and watch the game to fully get the answer you're looking for. The true answer is No, No, No.
There are very few shooters here that may not be as skilled as a robot, but they have no problems rolling the same numbers as everyone else after setting and throwing the dice.
There are thousands of asian lady that puts one dice on top of the other and rolls multiple 6's, 8's, 5's and a few of the other numbers including lots of 7's. I'm not saying she doesn't roll 7-out because she does, no one can be that perfect. It's hard (never been done in the history of the world yet to prove that DI roll more numbers than a random shooter, but I know there is an advantage in betting the trends of the skilled shooters if you know exactly when the trend is going to start and end.
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Quote: TerribleTomI've been to a live craps table and seen people who definitely thought they had some method to their madness.
Example: one guy made sure both dice had the 4 facing up and the 2 facing the far wall. He set them side by side, picked them up very gingerly with thumb and two fingers, tapped them on the table a few times to "set" them in his grip then lobbed them high so they hit just inches from the wall. They usually bounced just once, hit the wall and landed.
I did not notice that he got any particularly spectacular results.
After a while any shooter will develop a dice set that works for them giving them many number rolls. I myself have been using the same dice set for quite some time and never change. I use 4/6 at the top with 2's facing me. If i am shooting for a 4 I will use 6/2 top and 4/2 facing me to give me best results.
If you keep the same dice set, then the only thing to work on is improving your throw.
There are a couple shooters I met at the casino that swear by the V3 set and it works for them. The other day on 3 sessions, shooter rolled a 4 firebet, followed by point-7 (Making a couple numbers in between) followed by 5 points firebet all within an hour. random shooters are lucky to make 2 to 3 points and 7-out.
Quote: CrapsGenious
There are a couple shooters I met at the casino that swear by the V3 set and it works for them. The other day on 3 sessions, shooter rolled a 4 firebet, followed by point-7 (Making a couple numbers in between) followed by 5 points firebet all within an hour. random shooters are lucky to make 2 to 3 points and 7-out.
I'd say that ANY shooter is lucky to make more than 3 points, hence the odds on the firebet.
;-)
Quote: endermikeCG, where do you play? is there one particular casino or do you bounce around?
I play at Seneca casino in Buffalo, NY, but do plan many trips to Canada as its approx 25minutes drive and the craps tables are better there as far as good shooters and friendly staff.
When in vegas I do tend to play on Fremont.
They are two different things.
Are there skilled shooters? Of course.
They control the dice velocity, landing spot, arc of the throw, etc.
Does it affect the number thrown? Not in my opinion.
So they are skilled, but they don't affect the number thrown.
Are there hot shooters? Absolutely
There are certain people at a craps table that you just sense are going to have a decent roll. Are they always a hot shooter? I very much doubt it. But for that one night, or that session, or perhaps just that one roll, they can do no wrong. There are people that are just plain lucky. They have that horseshoe tucked away, and everything just works out for them.
I have been at tables where one shooter repeatedly makes 3 or 4 points EVERY time they get the dice. They are Hot. Do they always shoot that well? Probably not, but for whatever reason, on this particular occasion, they are kicking ass, and they are Hot. But, if they play enough craps, I'm sure over their lifetime, their number distribution is just what is expected from a random distribution.
I've had a 30 minute roll setting the dice on the flying V. I had a 40 minute roll where I would spin one dice 1/4 turn left or right, just so a 7 total was not facing me as I picked up the dice. But my longest roll of 1 hr and 10 minutes I never set a single die. I picked them up, tapped the table with them 3 times, and let 'em go. The crazy full table all passed the dice right back to me, but I only made 1 point before 7 out on the second go, so I guess I wasn't even a hot shooter that night, just a lucky one.
the effort. there have been ups and downs of course, but the number of good
wins and long rolls have outnumbered those prior to the effort.
at least until the past 2 days..... this has been a horse of another color..
I had played on 4 tables, used every set I know and every adjustment I know
and over the past 16 hands, I have been paid $7.
I find writing about it is as difficult as it was to endure. I keep track of all
rolls at the table and an old guy said if I threw that bad I surely would never
keep track of it, I may shoot myself, but I would not keep track of the
rolls....that idea has crossed my mind.
POker is like that, you get beat on the river for a couple of days, but you still
win a hand to so here and there if you play smart......but a payoff of $7
over all those hands is not only bad luck or very poor shooting or against the
very laws of nature.
Does anyone offer a class in ping pong.
dicesetter
What are your rolls like?
Are you just going PSO?
Or, are you rolling craps, yo's, and junk before a 7 out?
Or, are you rolling some box numbers that you have no bets on, and not making points?
My normal course of play is I have 3 basic sets I use and depending on my
toss, one will work well. As I get older I find I am not exactly the same
everyday, my toss may look the same, but the results vary slightly, one die
may rotate 1/4 turn one way or another consistently so you need to adjust.
The last 16 or 17 hands I get a 4/3 or 3/4 no matter what adjustment I make. I
even tried the cross 6 set which normally throws the baby out with the bath water
and it worked, I now get 2/5 every second roll.
I ate breakfast so it appears I will live ( laughing)...strange things happen, last
night I was in a large poker tournament and some guy got 8 sets of trips
in the first 40 minutes, he played every hand and it got so bad everyone else
just folded. He was a nice guy, but a terrible poker player and lost all his
chips in the next 20 minutes.
But to be honest I have never seen craps as luck, for me it has been practice
and an understanding of what dice do.
I have a plan for today.......
see what happens.
dicesetter
So did you ever get to meet up with Ahigh in Vegas?
Quote: odiousgambitI would give some dap too, if you had admitted you sometimes will come out in the negative over 136 rolls or so. Well, let's say you screwed that part up and meant more rolls than that. But over 2 days, really bad days for you, you still came out ahead? That sounds like going around sideways to a boast instead.
PS: perhaps I don't know what you mean by being "paid $7", in which case you might explain.
I took it to mean he had one winning bet of $7, not that he came out ahead $7.
Oh yea, there are now 347 casinos in the US just wanted you DI/DC players to show up. I really would like to see this list reduced when you break one, just ONE of these places with your "Influence/ Control".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_casinos_in_the_United_States
dicesetter
Well, there is a ETTA Level 3 coach on this forum. Just don't wager against him on Table Tennis or Snooker.
But I hope to find out just how good he is in Snooker shortly. Stay tuned.
Quote: BozBottom line is that most Darkside players like myself are more than willing to bet against any so called DI/DC and put their money where their mouth is. The odds are the odds but you think you can beat those odds and I think I can lose slower based on your nonsense.
Oh yea, there are now 347 casinos in the US just wanted you DI/DC players to show up. I really would like to see this list reduced when you break one, just ONE of these places with your "Influence/ Control".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_casinos_in_the_United_States
Take this reply for what it's worth but I think if darkside players are willing to "Take care" of the DI / DC Shooters. we can always devote out time to using the "7" set to ensure much more profits.
Example: on a comeout roll I use the "all 7 set" and quite a few times roll the 7. A few times repeating for those "Hop Bets" but if you are a darkside player and want to tip me $100.00 every once in a while, I can almost guarantee to win you money 90% of the time.
It suck that I made a dark side player more than 8k in 2 sessions and he didn't even offer a "Tip" I used 6"s up and rolled 5 craps numbers and also a few 7's to pay off his lay bets on comeout.
Quote: WizardOh boy, another dice setting thread. I set the over/under at the first suspension to come out of it at 72 hours.
Bet the under...the new "CrapsGenious" on the site sounds a lot like the old Craps "Genius" on the site who could never explain why he could never beat the game, but wanted to blame everything on bad casinos, dealers and homophobes. The Wizard, along with others placed a challenge on anyone who claimed they could control or influence the dice yet none of you even wanted to take the challenge up. I assume it is still open for "experts" like yourself.
Face it, you have nothing to back up what you claim. And again, ANY of the casinos listed above are more than willing to take your play assuming you are willing to meet the simply requirements they place on anyone willing to roll the dice according to their simple specifications.
Or if you are beating the casinos quietly with your "expertise" why not stop wasting the time you spend posting here driving to the next casino? After all, we are all about making the most money we can.....unless you are like someone who was only in it for the "research". And by the way, he was a total asshole! OK, I will preface it by saying I never met him, but he acted like a total asshole on this site.
But this was in reference to someone who no longer posts on this site. Will this still count? LOL Dicesitter, the post in this thread could very well be your best craps related post. It took Ahigh awhile to come around also.Quote: BuzzardUh Oh, the under may just have won !
Quote: BozBet the under...the new "CrapsGenious" on the site sounds a lot like the old Craps "Genius" on the site who could never explain why he could never beat the game, but wanted to blame everything on bad casinos, dealers and homophobes. The Wizard, along with others placed a challenge on anyone who claimed they could control or influence the dice yet none of you even wanted to take the challenge up. I assume it is still open for "experts" like yourself.
Face it, you have nothing to back up what you claim. And again, ANY of the casinos listed above are more than willing to take your play assuming you are willing to meet the simply requirements they place on anyone willing to roll the dice according to their simple specifications.
Or if you are beating the casinos quietly with your "expertise" why not stop wasting the time you spend posting here driving to the next casino? After all, we are all about making the most money we can.....unless you are like someone who was only in it for the "research". And by the way, he was a total asshole! OK, I will preface it by saying I never met him, but he acted like a total asshole on this site.
Did someone nominate to put me in a bet?
I did receive a pm about some craps challenge that I responded because of the new change "Enforcing the basic rule of having both dice hit the back wall" It in fact makes it super hard to influence any dice and forget about control.
Before I can just set the same dice set and roll all the 6's & 8's and 7's would just come out by chance. This did give me quite the edge of the game. Now having to hit that back wall, my rolling is crap.
Please do not invite me to any challenges.
Quote: CrapsGeniousI play at Seneca casino in Buffalo, NY, but do plan many trips to Canada as its approx 25minutes drive and the craps tables are better there as far as good shooters and friendly staff.
When in vegas I do tend to play on Fremont.
You mean 25 minutes to the Crap table, as in there's usually only one in play most of the time at Fallsview, and none at Niagara. You'll catch a second Crap table in play only on weekend nights. i've never seen 3 open.
And no, dice influencers are very far and few between. Ahigh?
[Edit]I am going to have the Niagara drinking water tested. Between Varmenti and CrapsGenius... hey WAIT a minute!!!!
Are you suggesting that the basic rule has made you no better than us random rollers? I believe you are starting to come around also. LOL. Could be your best craps related post too.Quote: CrapsGeniousDid someone nominate to put me in a bet?
I did receive a pm about some craps challenge that I responded because of the new change "Enforcing the basic rule of having both dice hit the back wall" It in fact makes it super hard to influence any dice and forget about control.
Before I can just set the same dice set and roll all the 6's & 8's and 7's would just come out by chance. This did give me quite the edge of the game. Now having to hit that back wall, my rolling is crap.
Please do not invite me to any challenges.
Quote: mdhAre you suggesting that the basic rule has made you no better than us random rollers? I believe you are starting to come around also. LOL. Could be your best craps related post too.
Yes I have to say true to that question because before you can toss them and be close to the back wall keeping dice just a few inches apart on the lands, they counted them as valid rolls.
I would start with the dice set 4/6 top with 2/2 facing me and rolled numerous 6's & 8's, 6/2 & 2/4 to roll 4's.
I also have rolled many 4 number firebets using the above dice set mentioned.
"Hitting the back wall with both dice rule" I must say is huge advantage for dark side players because "hot" lucky shooters are far from few. So far I see 1:14 ratio per session.
One thing to also keep in mind is, even though the dice influence can not be proven valid, "Seeing is believing" is the only way someone might say "yes" that it works.
Quote: CrapsGeniousOne thing to also keep in mind is, even though the dice influence can not be proven valid
It could easily be proven valid, if you could actually do it. Careful records and a large enough sample size would be all that would be required.
On the other hand, some random guy claiming that, even though he doesn't have any records, he's sure that he's seen fewer 7s than would be expected, is obviously not going to convince anyone.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceIt could easily be proven valid, if you could actually do it. Careful records and a large enough sample size would be all that would be required.
On the other hand, some random guy claiming that, even though he doesn't have any records, he's sure that he's seen fewer 7s than would be expected, is obviously not going to convince anyone.
One of my observations is to view all the shooters and keep a mental note of certain numbers rolled and try to scope out primary numbers from each shooter before attempting to bet on them.
For example there is a regular shooter (Bob 69.5) who never changes his rolling style and will roll 6's, 9's, 5's and when he is off, he will roll 8's, 10's and 3 crap (steady) numbers coming in making people money on his rolls. Just the other night I watched him for 3 sessions and in all 3 he rolled just random numbers and then 7'd out shortly. this is due to that back wall bull crap.
Truth of the matter is, we as dice influencers even though casinos lose on our bets, it is us that create that "fun" action cheering and bringing people to the tables from all the noise from making 3 & 4 points day after day.
Now craps is boring I make a couple numbers and don't even feel like cheering because I feel they were rolled using more luck than influence.
In fact with this "basic rule" How in the world did that woman get that world record?
I don't know. Could it just be a random sort of thing ?
Quote: CrapsGeniousOne of my observations is to view all the shooters and keep a mental note of certain numbers rolled and try to scope out primary numbers from each shooter before attempting to bet on them.
This is a complete waste of time.
When the Wizard was trying to deconstruct the Lion's Share slot machine he didn't just play for a while and see if he seemed to remember doing pretty well on some of the spins. He kept careful records of the result of every single spin and shared them. This allowed people to comment on the scientific and statistical validity of his results, particularly about things like sample sizes and likely ranges for true probabilities given his observations.
If you refuse to keep careful records of your observations no one will ever take you seriously. You come across as just another degenerate gambler who thinks that he has a system. It's up there with the negative betting progression guys, or the baccarat guys who think that they can predict which cards are coming out of the shoe next. It's total nonsense. Without scientific rigor, you have nothing.
Quote: endermikeCG, so a good throw (influenced) for you is one that hits the table and bounces or slides to the back wall, just stopping short or bumping the wall without the dice turning any more?
Not nessesarilly. the way the dice hit that wall and turn can alter the way the numbers form the 7. Just one dice hitting the wall can make it possible for the 7 to roll but both is definately pure luck.
If you approach a table and watch the DI shooters, you will notice more of a toss slightly higher than eye level and aimed toward the front of the "Come" bet area. on the land, they most likeley land both at the same time and bounce forward rolling toward the wall. Over time you may develop a rhythm to hitting the top part of the aligator wall (approx 4" of flat wall surface) giving you a slight advantage to roll numbers.
the key point to dice influensing is not to make certain numbers, but to avoid the 7.
Many times you will also see some of the good shooter nailing a perfect roll where the dice will land flat and roll forward or sideways 1 turn. the key is to set the dice to not form a 7 unless on comeout make that slight change.
When I toss the dice I make sure they are flat and together to give me that outcome to avoid that 7, but I also discovered in my rolling set that if I angle the left die 15 degrees I have a very good chance of making the "Yo" or 7 on comeout roll. Just a point of view to share from experience.
If the wizard says... just believe him because no proof of this can be set in stone. Again "Seeing is believing"
You can test your own rolling styles by setting a hardway set and toss the dice till a 7 is made and alter your throw. The skill that develops over time is the toss and not the actual dice set.
There are two guys at the casino that give me a chuckle most times but we all get used to it and learn to accept it after a while. They both stand right side of the stick man with right hip to the table like a soldier and toss the dice like a scarecrow arm style toss using the "Yo" set, but it works for them even though its funny to watch. They do hit that 11 more times than any other shooter i've seen.
As mentioned before (Bet the trends) I can't pass up not playing a $1 Yo and parley when they shoot.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceThis is a complete waste of time.
When the Wizard was trying to deconstruct the Lion's Share slot machine he didn't just play for a while and see if he seemed to remember doing pretty well on some of the spins. He kept careful records of the result of every single spin and shared them. This allowed people to comment on the scientific and statistical validity of his results, particularly about things like sample sizes and likely ranges for true probabilities given his observations.
If you refuse to keep careful records of your observations no one will ever take you seriously. You come across as just another degenerate gambler who thinks that he has a system. It's up there with the negative betting progression guys, or the baccarat guys who think that they can predict which cards are coming out of the shoe next. It's total nonsense. Without scientific rigor, you have nothing.
1) I can not predict nor do I believe that card players and/or card games can be predicted, but I do not play any game that involves cards so I can not answer for others.
2) There are more system players at craps than there is roulette. Many refuse to change. Systems work for certain games and also is determined by the term "Does this system hold water"
3) Negative progression guys use their own system (no comment)
4) Baccarat guys? Only one answer to that, Run! Stay away from those guys. they are crazy.
5) there is no science in gambling. If you play craps and basic rules are enforced, may luck flow your way because thats all it ever can be.
I seen a few things that made me think OF Ahigh while reading his posts(flying V sets or whatever), but I didn't see the connection. Ahigh seems more into having people know he is, who he is, and he dose, what he dose.
Unless Ahigh has changed his shooting He normally hit the back wall anyways. I never seen him trying to toss the dice with a soft touch.
Quote: CrapsGenious
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For example there is a regular shooter (Bob 69.5) who never changes his rolling style and will roll 6's, 9's, 5's and when he is off, he will roll 8's, 10's and 3 crap (steady) numbers coming in making people money on his rolls. Just the other night I watched him for 3 sessions and in all 3 he rolled just random numbers and then 7'd out shortly. this is due to that back wall bull crap.
Truth of the matter is, we as dice influencers even though casinos lose on our bets, it is us that create that "fun" action cheering and bringing people to the tables from all the noise from making 3 & 4 points day after day.
Now craps is boring I make a couple numbers and don't even feel like cheering because I feel they were rolled using more luck than influence.
In fact with this "basic rule" How in the world did that woman get that world record?
If a shooter is routinely failing to hit the wall, the dealer won't just ignore it - at least not anywhere I've seen.
Quote: AxelWolfI'm confused are people insinuating CG is Ahigh? Or who?
I seen a few things that made me think OF Ahigh while reading his posts(flying V sets or whatever), but I didn't see the connection. Ahigh seems more into having people know he is, who he is, and he dose, what he dose.
Unless Ahigh has changed his shooting He normally hit the back wall anyways. I never seen him trying to toss the dice with a soft touch.
Please don't confuse me with ahigh. I think he is a nice guy but I think recording rolls and slowing them down to almost nothing and analysing stuff. Now that is "Wasting your time" if you plan on making money at craps, the simple strategy is to play the game. Period.
I do envy him for his work and will turn to him for advise and answers to my questions in most cases.
Quote: TerribleTomQuote: CrapsGenious
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For example there is a regular shooter (Bob 69.5) who never changes his rolling style and will roll 6's, 9's, 5's and when he is off, he will roll 8's, 10's and 3 crap (steady) numbers coming in making people money on his rolls. Just the other night I watched him for 3 sessions and in all 3 he rolled just random numbers and then 7'd out shortly. this is due to that back wall bull crap.
Truth of the matter is, we as dice influencers even though casinos lose on our bets, it is us that create that "fun" action cheering and bringing people to the tables from all the noise from making 3 & 4 points day after day.
Now craps is boring I make a couple numbers and don't even feel like cheering because I feel they were rolled using more luck than influence.
In fact with this "basic rule" How in the world did that woman get that world record?
If a shooter is routinely failing to hit the wall, the dealer won't just ignore it - at least not anywhere I've seen.
You're correct on this, after a few warnings, they take the dice and pass to next shooter regardless of how many firebet points are there. (The points stay up just new shooter continues).
Quote: CrapsGeniousif you plan on making money at craps, the simple strategy is to play the game. Period.
Playing a -EV game to make money... what could possibly go wrong?
Quote: AxiomOfChoicePlaying a -EV game to make money... what could possibly go wrong?
I hear this way too much on this forum. It's a casino game. It's also a table game. It's gambling. Of coarse its gonna be a -EV game.
If it wasn't then the casinos would be bankrupt overnight.
Think about it. let's say they setup Video poker to payout 125%, that doesn't mean your can play all day and win $25.00 more for every $100.00 you put in. It means that the machine will payout 125% over the long haul and it also means that when you win 10 credits on one hand you can still lose the next 5 hands for 5 credits each.
you can never predict when the machine will pay even though it is set to pay 25% more.
I really hope you didn't invest many hours education yourself on -EV and i'm sorry to bust your bubble but, Just like ahigh and his slow motion video's...
This is a horrible analogy if you know anything about VP or slots at all.Quote: CrapsGeniousI hear this way too much on this forum. It's a casino game. It's also a table game. It's gambling. Of coarse its gonna be a -EV game.
If it wasn't then the casinos would be bankrupt overnight.
Think about it. let's say they setup Video poker to payout 125%, that doesn't mean your can play all day and win $25.00 more for every $100.00 you put in. It means that the machine will payout 125% over the long haul and it also means that when you win 10 credits on one hand you can still lose the next 5 hands for 5 credits each.
you can never predict when the machine will pay even though it is set to pay 25% more.
Lets take a 9/6 JOB i would guess the 2 pair % adds about 25% to the payback so now they set the 2 pair to double that now we have around 125% payback.
I can predict with almost certainty a time frame or number of hands you will defiantly be winning. No long haul needed. It wont take long, trust me.
What kind of edge you you feel you have while playing craps on your best day?
Quote: AxelWolfThis is a horrible analogy if you know anything about VP or slots at all.
Lets take a 9/6 JOB i would guess the 2 pair % adds about 25% to the payback so now they set the 2 pair to double that now we have around 125% payback.
I can predict with almost certainty a time frame or number of hands you will defiantly be winning. No long haul needed. It wont take long, trust me.
What kind of edge you you feel you have while playing craps on your best day?
Yeah that is a bad example, I don't play video poker. In craps yes I expect the house edge to always be there but I rely on repeating numbers and trends to consider it a good day. It does happen quite often but would like to see more regular players than just new shooters.
I can't really answer the edge thing because I don't know how to explain it in a proper way, but when the table is hot and I leave with 3k to 5k from a $300 buyin I have no complaints.
I do however hate to drive down to the casino (25 minutes & $10 in gas) and leave with empty pockets just an hour later. That's why I love this forum and people helping me with simulation files and gambling tricks. I can't thank the math guys enough for pointing out the best bets.
Quote: CrapsGeniousYeah that is a bad example, I don't play video poker. In craps yes I expect the house edge to always be there but I rely on repeating numbers and trends to consider it a good day. It does happen quite often but would like to see more regular players than just new shooters.
I can't really answer the edge thing because I don't know how to explain it in a proper way, but when the table is hot and I leave with 3k to 5k from a $300 buyin I have no complaints.
I do however hate to drive down to the casino (25 minutes & $10 in gas) and leave with empty pockets just an hour later. That's why I love this forum and people helping me with simulation files and gambling tricks. I can't thank the math guys enough for pointing out the best bets.
Just give me an estimation 0.5 1% 2% 3% more 10% 20%
Quote: AxelWolfJust give me an estimation 0.5 1% 2% 3% more 10% 20%
If it comes to hedging against the firebet starting at 4th point then there is very little risk so I'd have to say I have a more than 25% advantage over the casino with very little risk.
Quote: CrapsGeniousI hear this way too much on this forum. It's a casino game. It's also a table game. It's gambling. Of coarse its gonna be a -EV game.
If it wasn't then the casinos would be bankrupt overnight.
That should tell you how good your chances are of making money by "just playing".
Do you know how much you are down lifetime? I'm not asking you to tell us; I'm just asking if you know.
Quote: SOOPOOGuys.... CG has ADMITTED that he can't influence the dice using the rules casinos enforce, that is, hitting the back wall! He claimed that dice control was being demonstrated when the back wall was not being hit. Since that is moot, what are we arguing about?
He also said that he has a 25% advantage over the casino while playing craps.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceHe also said that he has a 25% advantage over the casino while playing craps.
and has been taking $10,000 a month from them
Quote: SOOPOOGuys.... CG has ADMITTED that he can't influence the dice using the rules casinos enforce, that is, hitting the back wall! He claimed that dice control was being demonstrated when the back wall was not being hit. Since that is moot, what are we arguing about?
I do admit to it as with both dice hitting the back wall, it can't be classified as a skilled shot. 1 dice maybe but both... forget about it.
