Full Proof Craps system

Quote: sodawater

Expected loss of a player who bets $60 pass only: $60 * 1.41% = $0.85 per bet made

Expected loss of a player who bets $60 don't pass only: $60 * 1.36% = $0.82 per bet made

Expected loss of a player who bets $30 pass and don't pass simultaneously : $30 * 1.41% + $30 * 1.36% = $0.83 per bet made


Care to apologize? Care to admit that you've worked in a casino for several years and STILL don't understand the grade-school math that pays your salary?

asians who won't stop playing pay my salary.....

All I can say is Thank You

Quote: Wizard

Profanity + personal insult = five-day suspension

You are correct there in saying they can never win. However, they really are only risking $30.00 as that player sees it or they would not bet that way soo.. yes the casino should only give credit for $30.00 play. You & I both know that it is a lose lose situation & I would think that anyone playing that system would see the same as we but... if they did then they would not play that way. Son & I played that way often, & often lost. He always thought that was the only way he could afford to have 2 players on the table @ once. Lol... I seen right thru it .

Thank You :)

Thank You
I know your mind as mine does not shut down @ night. Our math is atrocious. I hope its all good for you as for me . :) However, it is really only a $30.00 winner when it does hit ant any level that yo have bet.

Quote: Tim1492

So last night I was thinking about it...i'm new to the site by the way....However I came up with a full proof system. Its like the martingale but it can't lose....well it can in a short run but eventually is a winner.

Place a dollar on the 12. Loses..progressively increase each bet a dollar for each loss in a row....1 then 2 then 3 etc until it hits. Say you get to 30 dollars....you win....yes you spent 435 dollars to get there but you yield a winning of 465 bucks...Anyone have experience with this? Obviously for each win you bring it back to 1 dollar.

You mean.... ( Where ARE the mistakes) Not a spelling but a context, grammar error. Hmmmm

Quote: Tim1492

I'm being honest...I'm rather disappointed at all the scrutiny around here. It was something I thought about and seemed like a good idea. Where the spelling mistakes were? I have no idea but I am not to pleased with the reactions of others. Could be a little more gracious instead of self righteous pricks.

OUCH !!

Quote: ontariodealer

I've told this story on another board before....a couple of years ago we had a player who tried this system on the yo. He would come to the high limit table and start with a $1 yo and then progress. First thing he did was piss off all the bigger players but he won for a few months. Not only that but to shoot he would go 30 pass, 30 DP and a buck on the 12 and was getting rated for 60 bucks. He played quite often and his wife loved him because they started getting some pretty good comps.

Two things happened, first they stopped giving him the 60 rating (which they should have had all the time) and second, one friday the yo didn't come, he progressed right up to the table max $800 yo and still no yo...after a few 800 dollar shots he called it a day figuring this was the one bad day (he was still up for the three or four months he played). He came back the next day and still no yo....right up to 800 and quite a few shots at 800 until he broke down sobbing and had to be helped out. Never seen him again.,

If you're going to try to do anything like a Martingale (which is all this is) at anything, going with a bet that has a terrible house edge is not the way to go.

Now, I have a regular at my table who used to go to Atlantic City and did quite well on a similar system - on the don't pass. He referred to it as the "progressive don'ts" - and he made six figures off it. With 2x odds.

The plan? Start by betting a $10 don't pass bet (assuming a $10 minimum, which my casino generally is on my shift.) Dodge the seven and yo? Place max odds. If it doesn't work? Triple the bet. (I'm fuzzy on details such as "shooter makes the point, so what's the next flat bet?" I was listening more for the story rather than to copy his system; I'm well aware of the risk of ruin.)

He stopped because of the insane risk after laying a 9 for something like $18K (not sure how lay bets worked into this strategy.) But needless to say, if you're going to Martingale, go with the best bet on the table, not the worst.

Quote: ontariodealer

Quote: sodawater

Expected loss of a player who bets $60 pass only: $60 * 1.41% = $0.85 per bet made

Expected loss of a player who bets $60 don't pass only: $60 * 1.36% = $0.82 per bet made

Expected loss of a player who bets $30 pass and don't pass simultaneously : $30 * 1.41% + $30 * 1.36% = $0.83 per bet made


Care to apologize? Care to admit that you've worked in a casino for several years and STILL don't understand the grade-school math that pays your salary?

asians who won't stop playing pay my salary.....

I have to agree with you Ontariodealer. The marty (martingale) is a very bad way to start when playing craps. it is very stupid, and I don't want to insult any marty players here but it's time for a wake up call and say to yourself, this is not the way to go.

Too many years went by in my gambling days to see many just pissing away their money to the casinos doing such nonsense like marty and chasing their losses. i hope it all turns around to bring smiles to those looking. :)

Quote: hwccdealer

He stopped because of the insane risk after laying a 9 for something like $18K (not sure how lay bets worked into this strategy.)

He probably hit table max on the flat plus odds and still couldn't make the required bet for the progression, and had to "over-lay" the point.

BETTING SYSTEMS



These goofy betting systems are designed by people that always look for a way
to beat the odds without putting in any effort such as developing a shot to beat
the odds, or counting cards well enough to beat the odds, or knowing anough
about poker to beat the odds.

Craps is a game of extremes, you cant get around them. A random shooter throws a 50
or hell even a 154, that is an extreme, if your a dont player you dont want to be
caught in that. there are 15- 7 outs in a row. that is an extreme. If you are a pass line
player you dont want to get caught in that.

If you play the 12, some play the 3 & 11 with progressive bets after 20 rolls. you dont want to get
caught in that after waiting 20 rolls and betting and then waiting another 56 rolls, i have seen
that happen.

There is no system that helps you win all the time and if you use one, the extremes of the
game will make you pay a heavy price, it is not if, only when

Dicesetter

There's a guy at my local tribal casino that always bets $1 on each hard way and when one hits he parlays it. Always. Obviously doing that you don't take profit very often!

I asked him if he had ever hit it and he said that in the 20 years of doing it there was one night where the 8 hit and hit and hit so he had $1,000 and then it hit twice more for a total of $18,000 (he couldn't parlay after parlaying it to $1,000 due to the table limit). Ironic that the only time it's ever hit it hit twice.

A game of extremes to be sure.

Quote: Dicesetter

There is no system that helps you win all the time and if you use one, the extremes of the
game will make you pay a heavy price, it is not if, only when

Anybody that buys into a system is looking for that magic bullet, and there is none! Common sense would tell anybody that buys these systems, that if the system worked all the time casinos would longer have craps!

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Quote: PBguy

There's a guy at my local tribal casino that always bets $1 on each hard way and when one hits he parlays it. Always. Obviously doing that you don't take profit very often!

I asked him if he had ever hit it and he said that in the 20 years of doing it there was one night where the 8 hit and hit and hit so he had $1,000 and then it hit twice more for a total of $18,000 (he couldn't parlay after parlaying it to $1,000 due to the table limit). Ironic that the only time it's ever hit it hit twice.

A game of extremes to be sure.

I get a few people who parlay hardways. Typically they bet then heavier than other people, i.e. one of my regulars will bet a $15 hard 6/8, hit it, parlay it to $150, and usually lose it. It's a lot of fun sending him three stacks of green when he wins, though.

Quote: hwccdealer

I get a few people who parlay hardways. Typically they bet then heavier than other people, i.e. one of my regulars will bet a $15 hard 6/8, hit it, parlay it to $150, and usually lose it. It's a lot of fun sending him three stacks of green when he wins, though.

Why do you pay $1500 in green?

Quote: sodawater

Why do you pay $1500 in green?

Especially when the bet pays $1350. Unless of course he takes the bet down, which seems highly unlikely.

Quote: Tim1492

So last night I was thinking about it...i'm new to the site by the way....However I came up with a full proof system. Its like the martingale but it can't lose....well it can in a short run but eventually is a winner.

Place a dollar on the 12. Loses..progressively increase each bet a dollar for each loss in a row....1 then 2 then 3 etc until it hits. Say you get to 30 dollars....you win....yes you spent 435 dollars to get there but you yield a winning of 465 bucks...Anyone have experience with this? Obviously for each win you bring it back to 1 dollar.

Interesting. Is it still a can't lose system if I bet on snake eyes instead of boxcars?