How many rolls without a 7 ?
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Just wondering what craps players have seen along these lines. Anyone know of a "record no-7"?
Quote: AlanMendelsonthe shooter held the dice for more than an hour but surprisingly made few passes in that hour
and no 7s during the come-out rolls either, right?
I also marvel at how a good long hand can have not that many passes ... OR fail to hit any of my numbers generally
I had the last Southwest flight of of Vegas to Phoenix and I was worried that I wan't going to make the flight......so I was almost hoping he would 7 out.
The game slowed down to a crawl. Three deep around the table. There was very heavy action at the opposite end of the table. Dude probably made the point 20 times and rolled tons of numbers. Had the dice for what seemed well over an hour and a half, maybe longer.
Of course I didn't cash super big because I kept thinking the hammer was coming out. Pressed a little but didn't have the balls to leave more money out. Hindsight.
When he did finally crap the table gave the dude a huge ovation and lots of tips came his way including 2 pinks.
My buddy did well and was so liquored up that he insisted on tipping the pilot on the trip back to Phoenix.
Quote: odiousgambitand no 7s during the come-out rolls either, right?
I dont recall ANY sevens being thrown... until the very last throw of the dice for that shooter. And as I said, that would mean about 70 minutes of throwing without a 7.
As strange as it sounds, I once held the dice and rolled and rolled and NEVER threw a 7. Not on the come out , and not on my final throw either.
It was about 8 years ago and I drove up on a Friday night with a date. We reached Caesars at about midnight... and our room wasn't ready. "Okay," I said to the check in clerk, "I'll be at the craps tables."
Off we went... and my girlfriend was not happy at all. There was a craps table open with no players. She sat in a chair dozing off as I picked up the dice and rolled and rolled. I rolled for about 20 minutes when a manger from check-in came over and said the room was ready.
"Let's go NOW" the girlfriend said with authority that meant if I did not go right then I would not be sleeping in that room for the rest of the weekend.
So I took my bets down, colored up what was in my rail. left the passline bet (I could not remove it) and said "it's for the dealers" and went to the room.
No seven ever rolled. Not on the come out, and not when I was "done."
Jerry "Stickman" rolled 76 times without a 7 either on the come-out rolls or during the point segment. As many of our readers know, "Stickman" is an elite dice controller. That's the most I ever saw. (We usually have someone keep track of the sevens if the shooter never sets for a seven.) Sadly, the 77th number rolled was a seven --- kind of poetic. This occurred at Bellagio in 2008 before I was banned.
I had an hour before we had to leave for the airport, and I got on a table with just a few players.
The shooter set the point of 8 and made that point after a couple of rolls. He then rolled a couple of 7s on the Come Out roll.
His next point was a 10, which he never made.
45 minutes later, I am sweating, needing to leave for the airport, but unwilling to leave. It was a relief when the 7 came.
I didn't have much on the table ($75 each on 5/9, and $90 each on 6/8). Getting paid $105 each time
Total win on his roll was $3500, so the minimum number of throws he had was 45 or so (I took a long time to press to $90 back then)
i was so excited to get to a casino.... i thought it would be like taking money
from a baby...... however at the casino next time it was like every other roll
was a 7.
dicesetter
Quote: dicesitteri had 53 rolls on my home table one time without a 7.
i was so excited to get to a casino.... i thought it would be like taking money
from a baby...... however at the casino next time it was like every other roll
was a 7.
dicesetter
Hahaha I think this has happened to a lot of us at one point...
Quote: AlanMendelson
It was about 8 years ago and I drove up on a Friday night with a date. We reached Caesars at about midnight... and our room wasn't ready. "Okay," I said to the check in clerk, "I'll be at the craps tables."
Okay, not to be off topic, but how could your room not be ready at midnight, at a four/five star resort like Caesars? I don't usually do well when I'm pissed off which this would cause.
Quote: NokTangOkay, not to be off topic, but how could your room not be ready at midnight, at a four/five star resort like Caesars? I don't usually do well when I'm pissed off which this would cause.
Busy weekend was my guess. Convention business. Someone extended their stay. Any number of reasons.
Heck... how about the New Years Weekend I had at Caesars when I couldnt get my room made up -- no clean sheets or towels -- for two days?? Hotel management called that an oversight. And since I was RFB at the time they couldnt give me a free night, or free dinner or free show tickets -- since everything was comped anyway.
Quote: AlanMendelsonBusy weekend was my guess. Convention business. Someone extended their stay. Any number of reasons.
Heck... how about the New Years Weekend I had at Caesars when I couldnt get my room made up -- no clean sheets or towels -- for two days?? Hotel management called that an oversight. And since I was RFB at the time they couldnt give me a free night, or free dinner or free show tickets -- since everything was comped anyway.
Caesars doesn't have such oversights. We are once again at a point of not knowing what to believe. Confusion usually works in the casino's advantage.
Quote: dicesitteri had 53 rolls on my home table one time without a 7.
i was so excited to get to a casino.... i thought it would be like taking money
from a baby...... however at the casino next time it was like every other roll
was a 7.
dicesetter
I use a specific dice set with (4 left side, 6 right side showing at top and 5's facing me) and manage to grind out profits from the prop bets (2, 3, 11, 12) almost every round and averaging 10 rolls before 7 out. It's not much for point making but good $$$ for the pocket.
Quote: NokTangCaesars doesn't have such oversights. We are once again at a point of not knowing what to believe. Confusion usually works in the casino's advantage.
I don't understand the comment, NokTang?? What do you mean by "Caesars doesn't have such oversights"? Are you suggesting that I made this up? Are you suggesting that my room was made up properly?
How about the time a few months ago when my son and I showed up at Caesars at around 2am after driving in from LA and they gave us our room keys (we shared a room) and the room we walked into had two women fast asleep. Would you suggest that didn't happen either and Caesars can't make those mistakes?
Here's another one: I ordered two room service meals on my last trip. I had my Total Rewards comps take care of the room service charges EXCEPT that the tips must be paid (can't comp the tips with TR credits). But the tips for two meals on my TV check out screen showed as being about five-times the actual amount. Are you saying that didn't happen either? (I called the front desk, and it was fixed.)
Quote: AlanMendelsonI don't understand the comment, NokTang?? What do you mean by "Caesars doesn't have such oversights"? Are you suggesting that I made this up? Are you suggesting that my room was made up properly?
How about the time a few months ago when my son and I showed up at Caesars at around 2am after driving in from LA and they gave us our room keys (we shared a room) and the room we walked into had two women fast asleep. Would you suggest that didn't happen either and Caesars can't make those mistakes?
Here's another one: I ordered two room service meals on my last trip. I had my Total Rewards comps take care of the room service charges EXCEPT that the tips must be paid (can't comp the tips with TR credits). But the tips for two meals on my TV check out screen showed as being about five-times the actual amount. Are you saying that didn't happen either? (I called the front desk, and it was fixed.)
For a man who often praises Caesars, even says he got married there etc., I find the remarks confusing at best. I've stayed there many times but not recently. The items and issues you raise are expected at some Motel 6's, but not resorts like Caesars. It's at least a four star resort, perhaps five. They don't make mistakes like you outline or would just be another failed property.
That is a good way to experiment with sets. If your good enough to make more
6 & 8's than normal which pay 7 for 6 your good enough to shoot for 5,9,10,4 which
pay alot better.
I set 6/5 6/5 on my come out and i like the results with a proper bet, and if i have
come bets at the time, it also helps for not hitting a 7.
one of my favorite sets is the inverted 3v or 4/6 4/2
dicesetter
Quote: NokTangFor a man who often praises Caesars, even says he got married there etc., I find the remarks confusing at best. I've stayed there many times but not recently. The items and issues you raise are expected at some Motel 6's, but not resorts like Caesars. It's at least a four star resort, perhaps five. They don't make mistakes like you outline or would just be another failed property.
You tend not to believe me. So let's see if I can give you just one proof of something. Hmmm.... Oh yeah, my claim about getting married at Caesars Palace. Would a photo be sufficient, or will you think it was computer generated? Look at this one:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v461/PerformanceNISMO/moneyla/scan0001.jpg
I have been to Caesars Palace probably a few hundred times. Yes, sometimes things go wrong. Do you think they're perfect? Would you like to know how many "takes" I do before I get my stand-up show open "right"? A few, but we only put one -- the best one -- on TV each week.
I assure you NokTang -- stay at Caesars frequently and you'll see all sorts of mistakes, but they don't mean it isn't a great place.
Quote: AlanMendelson
I assure you NokTang -- stay at Caesars frequently and you'll see all sorts of mistakes, but they don't mean it isn't a great place.
I have no reason to dispute you got married at/on a craps table at Caesars.
We all still dispute this report about now many items, including arrival at midnight with a reservation and your room not being "ready", arrival late at night and being booked into an occupied room stumbling in on two sleeping women, being scammed on a gratitude on a room service charge as well! I always tip in cash BTW, not that you asked. I also always double lock my room door in hotels so someone couldn't walk in key or otherwise unless management. Rooms not ready at midnight? Again Alan, these things don't happen at four and five star resorts. That's what people pay big money to avoid happening along with the luxury atmosphere. We must combine these reports with your claim of witnessing 18 yo's in a row at said property. It leaves us not saying you are a liar but that your stories require a more fine tuned read. This isn't a comedy routine, we rely on information on this site. I'm currently licking my wounds on the stories by Wizard himself about sportsbooks refusing $25.usd parlay wagers. Some things are difficult to believe, some impossible to believe. I hope you understand the difference? Happy New Year.
Quote: AlanMendelsonYou really think I made it all up? Do you think I need the attention? Actually, I want to know why you constantly do battle with me and challenge me?
Not constantly. I enjoy your posts and admire people active in communities like this one. You don't insult people, only their intelligence. Nothing to "challenge" either. I don't believe you, but if the world does and things such as the 18 yo's in a row on a casino table such as Caesars are something folks believe, more power to you and them.
During one session, it seemed like there were 15 or 20 yo's tossed. If I didn't know better, I'd say in a row!(In a row makes the story seem remarkable so I'll say that!)
I requested a specific room, number 123. On arrival at midnight, it wasn't ready. It seems they had rented it out to another guest who checked out as agreed, at 11 pm.(ditto, leave out this detail and it gets noticed)
My son had invited, unknown to me, his girlfriend and her mother. He had added them to my reservation, all of it to surprise me. When we arrived, they were in the room fast asleep.(humm...lets leave this alone)
I ordered room service, the food was comped of course. But tips are rarely comped. I didn't have any change so I just added $5.usd to the check and signed for it. The total breakfast of $50.usd showed up on the computer which was adjusted when I advised it was to be comped via my player club.(makes perfect sense told like this, which is most likely what happened)
the 18 yos aside (because you weren't there so you can't call me a liar), what lie about any other incident am I telling? Call it out. Say "this ____ is a lie." Say it.
Quote: AlanMendelson
the 18 yos aside (because you weren't there so you can't call me a liar), what lie about any other incident am I telling? Call it out. Say "this ____ is a lie." Say it.
Anyhow, not my style to call anyone a liar. The stories are fun and funny but exaggerated as I indicated. My rendition of them was boring, but yours was an instant hit. The actual events were closer to mine. The 18 yo's in a row was called out by everyone who has ever stepped up to a craps table. The rest of your stories about Caesars while as I say, possible, very unlikely at a property such as Caesars. They don't need to nickle and dime on room service charges. People are and should be fired for such things. Same with the room reservation management. Good people are hired and good things are expected, not some hodge podge of events as you outline.
Me first! 18 yo's in a row? Really?
Did I mention I was alone the night of the mermaid thing? Never could find the proper orafice.
Quote: NokTangAnyhow, not my style to call anyone a liar. The stories are fun and funny but exaggerated as I indicated. My rendition of them was boring, but yours was an instant hit. The actual events were closer to mine. The 18 yo's in a row was called out by everyone who has ever stepped up to a craps table. The rest of your stories about Caesars while as I say, possible, very unlikely at a property such as Caesars. They don't need to nickle and dime on room service charges. People are and should be fired for such things. Same with the room reservation management. Good people are hired and good things are expected, not some hodge podge of events as you outline.
Well my friend, that's what happened. And I am putting my good name and reputation on the line. In fact, I can back up all of the events.
Now are you prepared to call me a liar? Or do you work for Caesars Entertainment? If you do work for Caesars it will be easy for you to check the records on my last trip. You also would know how to contact Jimmy Wike who at the time was casino manager at Caesars and who the executive management team sent to talk to me about the New Year's fiasco. My son checked into that room with me with the two women in bed. Oh and the night the room wasn't ready? Her name was Donna -- should I introduce you?
Look... I'm not asking anyone to believe the 18 yos. I didn't believe it was happening either or I would have thrown a nickel on the bet.
But don't say I lie about screw ups at a hotel, even if it is Caesars Palace. And I don't have to exaggerate anything. It's not like I am a lonely anonymous Internet poster who needs attention.
Oh... and did anyone get fired over adding "tips" to my room charge? I don't know. I don't care. I just wasn't going to pay them, and as a result of the discrepency I was not charged for any tips.
Quote: AlanMendelsonI don't understand the comment, NokTang?? What do you mean by "Caesars doesn't have such oversights"? Are you suggesting that I made this up? Are you suggesting that my room was made up properly?
How about the time a few months ago when my son and I showed up at Caesars at around 2am after driving in from LA and they gave us our room keys (we shared a room) and the room we walked into had two women fast asleep. Would you suggest that didn't happen either and Caesars can't make those mistakes?
Here's another one: I ordered two room service meals on my last trip. I had my Total Rewards comps take care of the room service charges EXCEPT that the tips must be paid (can't comp the tips with TR credits). But the tips for two meals on my TV check out screen showed as being about five-times the actual amount. Are you saying that didn't happen either? (I called the front desk, and it was fixed.)
A little off topic but Alan's story of walkin in on some people had me think of one time I was in anaheim staying at a hotel near Disneyland with my wife. I went down in the morning to get some free breakfast and walked back up the stairs to our room. I didn't bring my key so I knock on the door. No answer so I knock a little louder...no answer. So maybe the wife has the hair dryer on? I start pounding on the door. Some gentleman in his 40's opens the door. I immediately see red. I ask him where Sarah is. He says what? I'm about to go crazy thinking some guy got into our room while I went downstairs. He says I have the wrong room and I instantly felt stupid. I looked one door over... Room 224 not 334. I was on the wrong floor. I apologized and felt so stupid, but it was amazing to me how much rage was in my body for about 5 seconds.
Quote: BeardgoatI apologized and felt so stupid, but it was amazing to me how much rage was in my body for about 5 seconds.
That's true love. Many guys would have been more or less relieved their wife had found another man.
Quote: AlanMendelsonYou also would know how to contact Jimmy Wike who at the time was casino manager at Caesars and who the executive management team sent to talk to me about the New Year's fiasco.
Remind us again, what was the "New Year's fiasco"? A real whale you must be to have the executive management team send the casino manager to you. If only we all could get such personal attention. Happy New Year
Quote: AlanMendelson
Oh... and did anyone get fired over adding "tips" to my room charge? I don't know. I don't care. I just wasn't going to pay them, and as a result of the discrepency I was not charged for any tips.
In the real world, employees who try on such crap have to pay them themselves. It's a hard life especially when it was a mistake. I would not accept such comp knowing the employee had to pay him/herself but that's just me.
FYI I used to do some junket business with Caesars in Atlantic City but only as a helper, not the main cheese or big time rep or customer. They don't put up with the stuff you continue to stand by as happening. To repeat, we pay to avoid such nonsense. This isn't the Philippines or Cambodia where at every turn you are being scammed and defrauded out of your hard earned dollar. Here in South East Asia we are talking about .50cent scams on up. It's one thing to refuse but it's another to put such things on the worker making $2.usd a day.
Quote: Sabretom2Looks like it's getting close to that moment where we chose sides.
Me first! 18 yo's in a row? Really?
Did I mention I was alone the night of the mermaid thing? Never could find the proper orafice.
The 18 yo's has long been decided. It was and remains a dream or fantasy of the poster. No worries. The other stuff are again just a small incident or word being taken verbatim and expanded. Those are troublesome because people's reputations are on the line.
Quote: AlanMendelsonI wouldn't say I'm a whale but have you heard of any other weddings at a craps table at Caesars? Jimmy Wike arranged that too.
Not heard either way. I'm glad they accepted your kind offer and request to get married in their casino at the craps table. We are enjoying the thought and act, not saying anything more. Good on you.
Quote: luckyjackgOn Pawn Stars one of the questions was how long was the longest dice roll." The answer that they gave was 143 rolls before crapping out in Atlantic City in the middle 1980's. I believe it was on yesterdays show.
Quite possible and once every twenty or so years also believable. Cheers.
Quote: AlanMendelsonNoktang I don't know why you nitpick everything I say but because of you I am finished here. You win.
No nitpicking. We enjoy your stories, while I consider them fiction I will read them. Keep posting and Happy New Year.
And to everyone else who disagrees about those 18 yos I understand why you doubt it happened and there are no hard feelings.
But for you, Noktang, to challenge me for posting that my room wasn't ready when I checked in at Caesars and that there was lousy maid service over New Year's Weekend, and that the tip amount on my checkout bill was wrong only tells me that you are either starstruck by the cache of Caesars or you are a hack for the company.
Quote: AlanMendelsonNoktang you are rude, disrespectful and by calling my comments "fiction" you are calling me a liar. I don't talk to people who call me a liar.
And to everyone else who disagrees about those 18 yos I understand why you doubt it happened and there are no hard feelings.
But for you, Noktang, to challenge me for posting that my room wasn't ready when I checked in at Caesars and that there was lousy maid service over New Year's Weekend, and that the tip amount on my checkout bill was wrong only tells me that you are either starstruck by the cache of Caesars or you are a hack for the company.
How many times do I have to tell you, I and many other enjoy your posts.
Room "not ready" at midnight in a four/five star resort? There is more to this story.
Changing tip amounts signed for on a room service invoice? It doesn't happen at Caesars. Not intentionally anyhow. And is there any other way than intentional?
Writing fiction isn't being a liar. As a professional person you should understand that. Claiming something fictional is true isn't being a liar either. I digress. Have it your way. Happy New Year.
Quote: NokTangRoom "not ready" at midnight in a four/five star resort? There is more to this story.
Changing tip amounts signed for on a room service invoice? It doesn't happen at Caesars. Not intentionally anyhow. And is there any other way than intentional?
Are you serious? Are you trying to tell me-- and the rest of us-- that it is impossible that Caesars doesn't have a room ready during a busy weekend? Are you also saying it is impossible that the dollar amount of tips was entered incorrectly onto my final hotel room bill at checkout? And are you also saying that it is impossible that maid service was bad over a New Year's Weekend when the hotel is packed and was probably understaffed and that my room wasn't made up for two days?
How could you seriously say that it is impossible that these things happened at Caesars Palace?
Caesars Palace is a hotel like many others and mistakes are made.
That you say it's impossible for these things to happen is what is really laughable.
Quote: AlanMendelsonAre you serious? Are you trying to tell me-- and the rest of us-- that it is impossible that Caesars doesn't have a room ready during a busy weekend? Are you also saying it is impossible that the dollar amount of tips was entered incorrectly onto my final hotel room bill at checkout? And are you also saying that it is impossible that maid service was bad over a New Year's Weekend when the hotel is packed and was probably understaffed and that my room wasn't made up for two days?
How could you seriously say that it is impossible that these things happened at Caesars Palace?
Caesars Palace is a hotel like many others and mistakes are made.
That you say it's impossible for these things to happen is what is really laughable.
All we can say is it only happens to you. The "room ready" at midnight was the context. You assume you had a reservation, so do we, a guaranteed reservation. Doesn't happen. Tips are entered carefully, not with flippant attitudes about guest relations. I think you said it was ten times the actual tip. Why people put tips on room bills remains a mystery but you aren't the only one who does it. Maid service didn't make up your room for two days?? again, not at Caesars and in fact, not at most hotels. What remains laughable is these things only happen to you with all your "executive management" connections and the casino manager at your beckon call to boot. You can post it here a thousand times Alan, be careful what you ask for. Caesars may be reading this.
Quote: NokTangAll we can say is it only happens to you. The "room ready" at midnight was the context. You assume you had a reservation, so do we, a guaranteed reservation. Doesn't happen. Tips are entered carefully, not with flippant attitudes about guest relations. I think you said it was ten times the actual tip. Why people put tips on room bills remains a mystery but you aren't the only one who does it. Maid service didn't make up your room for two days?? again, not at Caesars and in fact, not at most hotels. What remains laughable is these things only happen to you with all your "executive management" connections and the casino manager at your beckon call to boot. You can post it here a thousand times Alan, be careful what you ask for. Caesars may be reading this.
You are so naive. How old are you?
Sure I had a guaranteed room... and the previous guest probably checked out late. Happens all the time. Do you travel? In fact, on my last two trips when I checked in at the 7Stars lounge the original room they had me assigned to wasn't ready yet, so they put me in another room -- still with my preferences which are facing Bellagio in the Augustus and near the elevators.
Yes, the tip was greater than what it should have been... and that's why I called. Don't ask me how it happened. It happened. Do you ever check your bills at check out?
Yes, maid service screwed up big time. And for an RFB player too. (this was before Total Rewards and 7Stars.)
Yes, I have plenty of connections and management knows me well. And Caesars can read what I say here, as well as what I say on my own website, on TV, and when I am quoted in the Review Journal.
I am just amazed you are continuing with this? You must be a kid.
And what really has me wondering about you is this line you wrote: "Why people put tips on room bills remains a mystery but you aren't the only one who does it."
What do you mean by that? When I get room service, I sign for the food. The check goes to my bill on the room. At check out I pay the charges. Now, I have my charges taken care of with my comps. But TR comps do not pay tips -- they remain on my bill and are paid with the credit card I use when I check in.
When I check out, I verify the charges on my bill. Then I call the front desk (or 7Stars lounge if open) to check out. Does this procedure sound familiar to you Noktang? This is how it's done. I am getting suspicous that perhaps you've never been to Caesars Palace, and you've never had room service, or used your comps to pay your hotel bill.
By the way it wasn't "ten times" and here was what I originally posted about the wrong amount of the tips:
Quote: AlanMendelsonI ordered two room service meals on my last trip. I had my Total Rewards comps take care of the room service charges EXCEPT that the tips must be paid (can't comp the tips with TR credits). But the tips for two meals on my TV check out screen showed as being about five-times the actual amount. Are you saying that didn't happen either? (I called the front desk, and it was fixed.)
Also hope your site comes back up soon. Is there anything you can do about that or is it a Dan Druff production?
Quote: PerditionNot for nothing but Alan in your wedding pic is that Winnie Cooper at the end of the table?
Also hope your site comes back up soon. Is there anything you can do about that or is it a Dan Druff production?
the tall, pretty, dark haired girl is my wife's niece.
We took my site down last night because we were being hammered with a spam attack from either Europe or Japan. According to Google analytics that's where a lot of my traffic came from over the last two days. Yesterday I had to delete about 200 spam posts, and we had about six hundred false registrations. Making it difficult is that the spam posts came from a different user from a different IP address. Normally you see one spammer make multiple posts. This time each post came from a unique IP address. It could only be done by some computer system. And making it even worse is that many of the posts were in foreign languages with strange links to websites in foreign languages which made me very suspicious. I have no idea if the posts were commercial or political or even terrorist related.
Dan is trying to come up with some better system to verify users and keep the spammers out.
If they all came from one IP address we could block the IP... but this is something I've never seen before. It almost mimics a "denial of service attack".
Quote: AlanMendelson
And what really has me wondering about you is this line you wrote: "Why people put tips on room bills remains a mystery but you aren't the only one who does it."
What do you mean by that? When I get room service, I sign for the food. The check goes to my bill on the room. :
I said tips. People prefer cash tips. You then said service charges were added to your room service charges. That I assumed can be comped if you are a player. I've never used rewards or coupons for room service. Only when I'm RFB do I sign to the room.
Quote: 1BBNokTang, when was your last stay at Caesars Palace?
It's been about ten years. RFB player, no silly coupons or reward points etc.. Full room, full food, and I guess beverage but I didn't drink much and never expensive wine etc. so don't know if that limited. They have since added a tower I've never stayed in. I never asked for airfare and my credit line was $25,000usd, $200.usd average bet. I also knew someone at the front desk, college friend's wife so needless to say I guess at this point, no "room not ready" nonsense experienced.
Quote: AlanMendelsonI have no idea if the posts were commercial or political or even terrorist related.
I'm sure it's terrorist related all things considered, lucky no one has been killed. Happy New Year.
