Betting the Seven to hedge against come out rolls
November 4th, 2013 at 6:54:58 AM
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Typically when I play craps, I will bet the pass line and two come wagers (all with max odds). So, the last time I was at the Palazzo, one of the dealers was trying to convince me to bet the seven to hedge my come bets on the come out rolls. I told him that betting that "seven" was one of the worst wagers on the board, giving the casino something like a 16% advantage and I'd have to be out of my mind to wager on that. I figured the best I could do is expect a win on 1 in every 6 rolls, which wouldn't come close to covering the two come wagers it would save (since I'm losing the other 5....obviously the odds are always saved). Am I crazy here or was this guy just a complete moron?
November 4th, 2013 at 6:58:11 AM
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My money is on "complete moron". lol
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November 4th, 2013 at 7:35:12 AM
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Quote: Beethoven9thMy money is on "complete moron". lol
Pretty much what I thought, but figured I'd throw it out there in case I was missing something.
November 4th, 2013 at 9:05:26 AM
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I went to the local casino Saturday evening and during the rolls the stickman was doing a great job making the prop bets sound good. Sometimes he was pushy, but overall he was fun to listen to and made the table experience more entertaining. At some point I looked around and realized there were 9-10 of us at the table and all were playing PL, DP, Place etc. In other words, all the lower house edge bets.
Undoubtedly the dealer knows the odds and the edge, it might be a part of his training. Rather than being a moron, he might just be doing his job as stickman to "sell" the prop bets, and the field, and the Big 6/8, etc.
Undoubtedly the dealer knows the odds and the edge, it might be a part of his training. Rather than being a moron, he might just be doing his job as stickman to "sell" the prop bets, and the field, and the Big 6/8, etc.
...in the long run, you'll lose money.
November 4th, 2013 at 9:14:12 AM
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a lot of dealers are clueless when it comes to proper strategy....it sounds like this one was.
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November 4th, 2013 at 9:26:42 AM
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Quote: nowakezoneUndoubtedly the dealer knows the odds and the edge, it might be a part of his training. Rather than being a moron, he might just be doing his job as stickman to "sell" the prop bets, and the field, and the Big 6/8, etc.
I agree that trying to get action on the prop bets is part of the dealer's job, but that doesn't mean that they "know the odds and the edge". Because a good number of them don't.
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November 4th, 2013 at 9:29:37 AM
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Quote: nowakezone
Undoubtedly the dealer knows the odds and the edge, it might be a part of his training. Rather than being a moron, he might just be doing his job as stickman to "sell" the prop bets, and the field, and the Big 6/8, etc.
The dealer was just doing his job, and that is to sell those prop bets, now days most new dealers don't know a thing about craps, they are only taught how to deal the game, you may as well have a corporate robot dealing to you, some of these dealers have the personality of one. You are seeing what I would call break-in dealers at some of the higher end casinos on the strip.
If you play any casino game the responsibility to know the game rest on your shoulders, not the dealers. I would never call a dealer a moron because they were trying to sell me a bad bet, the more convincing they are, the better job they are doing selling them to anybody that does not know the game.
Casinos need losers, and that is all there is to it. Smart players need them to, so they can continue to play the game.
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November 4th, 2013 at 9:34:49 AM
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I've not been around very many dealers actually. I just presumed they would do as I would do and know the details of the game they're working. Apparently, though...not all do. Thanks for the heads up on that!Quote: Beethoven9thI agree that trying to get action on the prop bets is part of the dealer's job, but that doesn't mean that they "know the odds and the edge". Because a good number of them don't.
...in the long run, you'll lose money.
November 4th, 2013 at 9:59:14 AM
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Quote: superrick
Casinos need losers, and that is all there is to it. Smart players need them to, so they can continue to play the game.
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Exactly, and they need BIG losers!
Even assuming that DI is not viable, which I know is not your assumption, but just for the sake of argument...I don't think most houses would offer Craps if the only bets that existed were Pass/Don't Pass and Odds. With the resolutions per hour, I don't see how they could, so the dealer pushing those center props is completely understandable.
But, the Any Seven, though? Really? The worst one? The most fundamental bet for even a player who is not a driveling moron to mathematically understand that he is getting absolutely killed? I wouldn't say that trying to get players on the Any Seven is inexcusable, but it's close. At least have the common courtesy to push the Hardways, or something.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
November 4th, 2013 at 11:50:09 AM
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Quote: superrick
If you play any casino game the responsibility to know the game rest on your shoulders, not the dealers.
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Why do people always assume dealers know the
strategy of the games they deal? It's a lower than
min wage job and they work for tips. Most are
lucky to remember what game table to go back
to after their 9th break of the day is over.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
November 4th, 2013 at 12:31:32 PM
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Quote: Mission146But, the Any Seven, though? Really? The worst one? The most fundamental bet for even a player who is not a driveling moron to mathematically understand that he is getting absolutely killed? I wouldn't say that trying to get players on the Any Seven is inexcusable, but it's close. At least have the common courtesy to push the Hardways, or something.
If you look in the archives (or it might have been 2+2) one of the WA casinos had the Any 7 labelled at 6 to 1 (not even 6 FOR 1) for a week. Always worth looking out at the bad bets in case the bad bet is accidentally a good bet.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
November 4th, 2013 at 1:37:47 PM
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That would have been pretty sweet! It would have been a sleepless week for me, if I weren't at work, I'd be at the Craps table!
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
November 4th, 2013 at 3:20:21 PM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: superrick
If you play any casino game the responsibility to know the game rest on your shoulders, not the dealers.
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It's a lower than
min wage job and they work for tips. Most are
lucky to remember what game table to go back
to after their 9th break of the day is over.
It is? I was told dealers make six figures at the Wynn
November 4th, 2013 at 9:02:54 PM
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That was before tip sharing I believe. They probably only make $90K these days.
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November 4th, 2013 at 9:23:19 PM
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Quote: DeMangoThat was before tip sharing I believe. They probably only make $90K these days.
I think it is a lot less. I'm sure paigowdan can speak to this better than I can, but my guess would be the median Wynn dealer makes about $60K.
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November 4th, 2013 at 10:27:07 PM
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Quote: WizardI think it is a lot less. I'm sure paigowdan can speak to this better than I can, but my guess would be the median Wynn dealer makes about $60K.
I asked 'casinoboss' about this a few months ago. He said that full-time dealers at the higher end casinos make in the $75-90,000 range. Assuming this is accurate, I would think that $90K sounds about right for the Wynn.
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