Ugly new craps bet
Not sure what it is called, but it is a one roll bet wherein you put your bet on one of two spots: Over Seven, or Under Seven, IIRC.
Pays even money.
Looks like a very high HA.
Nobody, I mean nobody made the bet while I was playing there.
They also have the fire bet, and that saw some action.
Quote: MrVSeven Feathers tribal casino substituted a horrible new bet for the equally horrible Big 6 / 8 bet on their layout.
Not sure what it is called, but it is a one roll bet wherein you put your bet on one of two spots: Over Seven, or Under Seven, IIRC.
Pays even money.
Looks like a very high HA.
Nobody, I mean nobody made the bet while I was playing there.
They also have the fire bet, and that saw some action.
Sam's Town has that bet. They also have the four-rolls no seven bet that pays even money. I've never seen the over-under booked myself. I've done the four rolls maybe twice and for no more than $30. It's a fun bet for big money, and the edge per roll isn't that bad really if you think you can dodge the red .. this is similar to the Wizard's bet he constructed to bet against me.
Quote: wudgedI recall seeing this at Lumiere Place in St Louis several years ago, except it was called Low/High instead of Under/Over, and nobody was betting it there either.
I guess that the 7 will be a loss for under and over and maybe thats the reason not many want to bet on it. what is the HE for this bet?
Quote: sevenI guess that the 7 will be a loss for under and over and maybe thats the reason not many want to bet on it. what is the HE for this bet?
There's some folks who would bet the boxcars for one roll if it paid 20-for-1. Never doubt how lucrative a tax on the stupid can be.
Quote: AhighThey also have the four-rolls no seven bet that pays even money.
So that bet is still around after 360 years? When I was tramping around the country, hitting all those library's and reading gambling books, I came across the story of Pascal and Fermat, and the dice gambler who was asking them questions. This dice gambler had a hustle that is equivalent to four-rolls no seven. He did it with one die and his proposition was he could roll a six in four rolls. When he could no longer get any action on that hustle he changed it to a two dice bet where his proposition was he could roll box cars in 24 rolls. He started getting his butt kicked with this proposition so he took the problem to Blaise Pascal. Pascal started a correspondence with Pierre de Fermat and they solved the problem. Through the process the branch of mathematics known as Probability Theory was founded. That's the story I read.
On the one die hustle, as I learned the math, you multiply the failure rate of each roll by four, then subtract from one. The failure rate is 5/6 or .8333333.
.8333333 X .8333333 X .8333333 X .8333333 minus 1 equals .517747. So our hero had a 51.77% chance of rolling a six in four rolls. Brilliant hustle for it's time. That would also be the chance of a seven appearing in four rolls in craps.
But out hero got his butt kicked when he went to the two dice hustle of rolling boxcars in 24 rolls. Pascal and Fermat told him the chance was something like 24.5, so he needed an effective number of 25.
Quote: sevenI guess that the 7 will be a loss for under and over and maybe thats the reason not many want to bet on it. what is the HE for this bet?
The seven will appear 16.6666% of the rolls. So I guess that would be the house edge, wouldn't it?
Quote: FrankScobleteThe bet has been around a long, long time in Las Vegas nights at various churches. Players basically don't have a prayer against it.
That gave me a chuckle.
Quote: mickeycrimmThe seven will appear 16.6666% of the rolls. So I guess that would be the house edge, wouldn't it?
I think that's right.
Quote: sevenI guess that the 7 will be a loss for under and over and maybe thats the reason not many want to bet on it. what is the HE for this bet?
It was probably this https://wizardofodds.com/games/craps/appendix/5/#lowhigh , that actually has 2 / 12 paying 5-1 instead of just even money.
I met them at the Raving Cutting Edge Table Games Conference in 2010, they had 5-10 placements at that time. At a 5.5% edge, it isn't a disaster of a bet, but I have never seen it on a casino floor.
Quote: mickeycrimmThe seven will appear 16.6666% of the rolls. So I guess that would be the house edge, wouldn't it?
So what's a flat top vp guy doing on a craps thread other than issuing challenges to go all in?
So the challenge is back to you Mick. When you going to write that book and buy that gambling hall within driving range of the Bakken Oil fields and retire. Living the life of an accomplished no bullcrap gambling author? Doing expose's of dice influence, breaking down the bs.You could call it "Crimms Craps" or something like that.
Quote: petroglyphSo what's a flat top vp guy doing on a craps thread other than issuing challenges to go all in?
So the challenge is back to you Mick. When you going to write that book and buy that gambling hall within driving range of the Bakken Oil fields and retire. Living the life of an accomplished no bullcrap gambling author? Doing expose's of dice influence, breaking down the bs.You could call it "Crimms Craps" or something like that.
LOL! Those little joints on the Montana/North Dakota border get more action than anywhere else in the state. In the evenings all the machines are taken and there is a waiting list to get a machine. There was a company crackdown on those oil field workers getting sot drunk to keep accidents down on the rigs. So they come over to the Montana border towns, they might have a beer or two, and a big steak dinner, then blow all their money on the machines.
It will be a couple of years before I try to publish a book on how I went from a hardcore homeless drifter to a died in the wool advantage gambler. But I already have a title "The Fremont Street Commando." Thanks for giving me the idea for the title, Stu. LOL again!
Quote: FrankScobleteThe bet has been around a long, long time in Las Vegas nights at various churches. Players basically don't have a prayer against it.
My local church festival has a similar dice game - nothing as fancy as full-on craps, but essentially it's all one-roll and only three options: over, under, or 7. Over and under pay 1-1 and 7 pays 3-1. I don't have the exact HA but needless to say it's pretty good for the church.
Quote: mickeycrimmThe seven will appear 16.6666% of the rolls. So I guess that would be the house edge, wouldn't it?
Hilarious. The kid playing Superman takes flying leap, and splats into the wall.
Both the "Low Dice" and "High Dice" have HE of 5.56% Here is a YouTube Video advertising craps at the Northern Quest Casino (tribal) near Spokane, and explaining/showing Low Dice and High Dice.
