ok im bored and just thinking lol.....
August 6th, 2013 at 11:21:25 PM
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LETS START OFF WITH WHAT IF.... LOL .....
WHAT IF I TRY AND TAKE SOME OF THE VARIANCE OUT OF THE GAME WITH GOOD OLE MARTY....
LETS SAY I WAIT TILL THE TABLE IS IN HIS FAVOR...
I SIT AT THE TABLE AND WAIT TILL 7 SHOOTERS IN A ROW FAIL TO MAKE A POINT
THEN HERE COMES MARTY WITH THE SYSTEM... HOW MANY TIMES WILL THIS HAPPEN IN A 4 HOUR SESSION...IDK ....
AND WOULD THIS TAKE SOME OF THE VARIANCE OUT OF THE BANKROLL SITCH... HELL IT MAY NEVER EVEN HAPPEN WHERE
7 PPL IN A ROW MISS .... BUT WOULDNT THIS HELP??? MAYBE U ONLY GET TO DO THIS ONCE EVERY HOUR BUT IT SEEMS FEESABLE RIGHT??
WHAT IF I TRY AND TAKE SOME OF THE VARIANCE OUT OF THE GAME WITH GOOD OLE MARTY....
LETS SAY I WAIT TILL THE TABLE IS IN HIS FAVOR...
I SIT AT THE TABLE AND WAIT TILL 7 SHOOTERS IN A ROW FAIL TO MAKE A POINT
THEN HERE COMES MARTY WITH THE SYSTEM... HOW MANY TIMES WILL THIS HAPPEN IN A 4 HOUR SESSION...IDK ....
AND WOULD THIS TAKE SOME OF THE VARIANCE OUT OF THE BANKROLL SITCH... HELL IT MAY NEVER EVEN HAPPEN WHERE
7 PPL IN A ROW MISS .... BUT WOULDNT THIS HELP??? MAYBE U ONLY GET TO DO THIS ONCE EVERY HOUR BUT IT SEEMS FEESABLE RIGHT??
August 7th, 2013 at 1:10:13 AM
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The only advantage of waiting for 7 straight shooters to miss their point before starting the Marty system of doom is that you'll be spending most of your time watching and not betting anything.
If you only get to use the Marty once per hour and plan on staying at the casino for 4 hours, then you might as well start betting right away on every roll and then leave once you make 4 units or bust out. You'll save a lot of time doing that and your odds of winning will be exactly the same.
If the Marty really gave players a long term advantage like card counting does in blackjack, would the casinos allow it????
If you only get to use the Marty once per hour and plan on staying at the casino for 4 hours, then you might as well start betting right away on every roll and then leave once you make 4 units or bust out. You'll save a lot of time doing that and your odds of winning will be exactly the same.
If the Marty really gave players a long term advantage like card counting does in blackjack, would the casinos allow it????
August 7th, 2013 at 1:33:27 AM
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...I'm pretty sure Martengaling increases variance.
The thing is, it's sort of like playing +EV VP, just like those royal flushes are going to cover your losses, that big streak is going to wipe out your winnings. When you're out of money, you're out of money, no matter what your next bet was going to be.
The thing is, it's sort of like playing +EV VP, just like those royal flushes are going to cover your losses, that big streak is going to wipe out your winnings. When you're out of money, you're out of money, no matter what your next bet was going to be.
The trick to poker is learning not to beat yourself up for your mistakes too much, and certainly not too little, but just the right amount.
August 7th, 2013 at 4:01:45 AM
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regarding all-caps:
http://www.networketiquette.net/core_rules_do_not_use_all_caps.html
http://www.networketiquette.net/core_rules_do_not_use_all_caps.html
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
August 7th, 2013 at 5:05:25 AM
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The old anti-play idea. As the streak continues the end of streak is getting closer. By waiting you didn't tap your bankroll on the 7 clowns that couldn't make the point. That's a plus. Using a 5 step marty your basically saying that 12 back to back shooters fail to make 1 point. I like the idea but I also lose my ass at the casinos.
Each day is better than the next
August 7th, 2013 at 5:25:31 AM
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sigh....I'm going to attempt to drive a stake through the heart of the Marty...again.
OK this "system" would work just as well in Roulette or BJ or Bac. Just wait till 7 reds come out and start a Martingale run on Black. You are still doomed. Just bored while you wait for your streak to kick in.
In BJ wait till the dealer wins 7 hands in a row. Then roll out the Marty. No difference, just boredom.
Bacc...wait for 7 Banker wins, then bet player. It's all the same system. Yes the HE is different in all these games but the Marty is still the Marty.
IT DOESN"T WORK.
OK this "system" would work just as well in Roulette or BJ or Bac. Just wait till 7 reds come out and start a Martingale run on Black. You are still doomed. Just bored while you wait for your streak to kick in.
In BJ wait till the dealer wins 7 hands in a row. Then roll out the Marty. No difference, just boredom.
Bacc...wait for 7 Banker wins, then bet player. It's all the same system. Yes the HE is different in all these games but the Marty is still the Marty.
IT DOESN"T WORK.
August 7th, 2013 at 5:29:05 AM
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Quote: frestylr532I SIT AT THE TABLE AND WAIT TILL 7 SHOOTERS IN A ROW FAIL TO MAKE A POINT
Hell, why don't you just wait until 50 shooters fail to make a point? That would be a guaranteed win for you, right? LOL
Fighting BS one post at a time!
August 7th, 2013 at 6:05:01 AM
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Better to be bored than to be bored and broke.
Here's the thing. You're going to have to wait a long time for seven shooters in a row to bust, and when you start your Marty, you are starting fresh. It doesn't matter what the past results were... the only game on the table where past results have an impact is in Blackjack.
So, there's absolutely no guarantee that the next 7 shooters won't seven out either.
Here's the thing. You're going to have to wait a long time for seven shooters in a row to bust, and when you start your Marty, you are starting fresh. It doesn't matter what the past results were... the only game on the table where past results have an impact is in Blackjack.
So, there's absolutely no guarantee that the next 7 shooters won't seven out either.
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August 7th, 2013 at 10:33:17 AM
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He does have a point though... not playing for 4 of the 4 hours while waiting for the situation to turn 'favorable' will decrease variance.
Personally, I'm more intrigued by how caps turned on between the subject line and the body.
Personally, I'm more intrigued by how caps turned on between the subject line and the body.
August 7th, 2013 at 12:49:29 PM
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Quote: Venthus
Personally, I'm more intrigued by how caps turned on between the subject line and the body.
He had to do it on purpose because a question mark
is a forward slash with the caps lock on. This info
he was imparting was important enough to scream at
us I guess..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 7th, 2013 at 12:51:11 PM
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Quote: EvenBobHe had to do it on purpose because a question mark
is a forward slash with the caps lock on.
WHAT/
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
August 7th, 2013 at 2:09:06 PM
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Quote: Beethoven9thHell, why don't you just wait until 50 shooters fail to make a point? That would be a guaranteed win for you, right? LOL
What are the probabilities of failing to make a point with 50 individual tries? Do you always laugh out loud while your posting?
Each day is better than the next
August 7th, 2013 at 2:17:18 PM
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Quote: treetopbuddyWhat are the probabilities of failing to make a point with 50 individual tries?
Who knows...but when it happens, it's a guaranteed win for the OP on the 51st try, right?
Quote: treetopbuddyDo you always laugh out loud while your posting?
Yep, many of the posts I see here are truly entertaining!
Fighting BS one post at a time!
August 7th, 2013 at 2:49:45 PM
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Well, WoO records the odds of failing to make point as 49.29% (which should include 2/12 on come out, but lets disregard that...):
4.3445110657482341480068238281626e-16
1 in 2,301,754,984,315,536
Huh. Based on how well my last few trips have gone, I think I may have done worse than that...
4.3445110657482341480068238281626e-16
1 in 2,301,754,984,315,536
Huh. Based on how well my last few trips have gone, I think I may have done worse than that...
August 7th, 2013 at 3:23:34 PM
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Quote: VenthusWell, WoO records the odds of failing to make point as 49.29%
Nope, higher than that.
59.39% chance of not hitting a point
40.61% chance of hitting a point (or more)
Given that a point is established, the probability that the shooter makes the point is pr(point is 4 or 10) ×pr(making 4 or 10) + pr(point is 5 or 9) × pr(making 5 or 9) + pr(point is 6 or 8) ×pr(making 6 or 8) = (6/24) × (3/9) + (8/24) × (4/10) + (10/24) × (5/11) = 201/495 = 0.406061
August 7th, 2013 at 4:14:15 PM
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Ah. Right. I was looking at a passline win which is VERY different compared to making point.
August 7th, 2013 at 7:45:23 PM
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The table is never in your favor because what happened for the last shooter has nothing
to do with the next shooter.
Even the best bests on the table are not in your favor.
The only thing that is true and has been noted is the longer you sit
there and dont bet, the less money you can lose.
Remember what spock said....... "play smart and prosper"
Well i may have not have heard that exactly right...but close.
Dicesetter
to do with the next shooter.
Even the best bests on the table are not in your favor.
The only thing that is true and has been noted is the longer you sit
there and dont bet, the less money you can lose.
Remember what spock said....... "play smart and prosper"
Well i may have not have heard that exactly right...but close.
Dicesetter
August 8th, 2013 at 4:45:26 AM
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I tried some thing similar better any 7. I never thought that 24 non seven rolls would come out before a 7. I even paused a few rolls before placing the bet a couple of times in the run. 5 5 5 5 5 10 10 15 20 20 and I was out 100 bucks. Same shooter too. I may try again some day. 7 should roll at least 1 in 10.
Buffering...
August 8th, 2013 at 6:20:17 AM
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Quote: wrobersonany 7...I may try again some day.
Dude!!
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
