What a load of crap$
August 2nd, 2013 at 6:29:59 PM
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What a load of crap$! Gambler wins big by exploiting a software glitch at Aqueduct Resorts World
100xodds, was this you?
100xodds, was this you?
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4
August 2nd, 2013 at 6:40:28 PM
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
August 2nd, 2013 at 7:01:37 PM
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Quote: teddysWhat a load of crap$! Gambler wins big by exploiting a software glitch at Aqueduct Resorts World
100xodds, was this you?
*whistling*
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
August 2nd, 2013 at 7:15:18 PM
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Who made the game in question?
In Nevada I don't think the player would have been paid. The casino would have said it was a "malfunction," and Gaming would have agreed with them.
In Nevada I don't think the player would have been paid. The casino would have said it was a "malfunction," and Gaming would have agreed with them.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
August 2nd, 2013 at 7:20:02 PM
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
August 2nd, 2013 at 7:25:02 PM
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It was ShuffleMaster Star Craps. And let me say that these guys were idiots for wagering more than $599 and thus generating W-2G's. They could have kept a slow drain going and the casino would never have noticed.Quote: IbeatyouracesI believe the article mentioned ShuffleMaster. And I'm sure most other states would follow what Nevada would do.
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4
August 2nd, 2013 at 7:33:00 PM
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
August 2nd, 2013 at 7:33:51 PM
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Apparently this was a SHFL Vegas Star machine? I wonder if other installs have the same er...feature. Think other jurisdictions have yanked them yet?
"So as the clock ticked and the day passed, opportunity met preparation, and luck happened." - Maurice Clarett
August 2nd, 2013 at 8:46:19 PM
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The law struggles with whether these types of exploits are illegal or not. This seems similar to this incident: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/05/video-poker-hacking-dismissed/
August 2nd, 2013 at 11:11:34 PM
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They might have accepted that the secret would eventually get out and decided to get the getting while it was good. I'd understand that argument.
Are you guys saying that if this was in Nevada, the casinos could sue them to get all of the money back from this prolonged malfunction? I'm curious if (Shufflemaster?) has insurance for something like this.
Are you guys saying that if this was in Nevada, the casinos could sue them to get all of the money back from this prolonged malfunction? I'm curious if (Shufflemaster?) has insurance for something like this.
Its - Possessive; It's - "It is" / "It has"; There - Location; Their - Possessive; They're - "They are"
August 3rd, 2013 at 3:52:20 AM
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This is known as "refresh rate" and is a common programming error familiar to other games, radiation dosing, etc.
When is a value accepted and when is it locked in. When is it too late to change.
In the prior roulette it was the same thing. Wager increase to table limit at very last moment meant: Pay off whopping sum if its a win put take only the earlier very much lower wager if a loss.
In radiation dosing it was same thing ... enter keyboard variables one through ten then hit enter and things worked fine, but make last minute change to variables number 4 and 10, it would register on screen but not in instructions cache.
Its the first thing a gambler would want to test... refresh rate errors.
When is a value accepted and when is it locked in. When is it too late to change.
In the prior roulette it was the same thing. Wager increase to table limit at very last moment meant: Pay off whopping sum if its a win put take only the earlier very much lower wager if a loss.
In radiation dosing it was same thing ... enter keyboard variables one through ten then hit enter and things worked fine, but make last minute change to variables number 4 and 10, it would register on screen but not in instructions cache.
Its the first thing a gambler would want to test... refresh rate errors.
August 3rd, 2013 at 4:05:22 AM
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August 3rd, 2013 at 5:05:14 AM
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When was that.
August 3rd, 2013 at 7:04:40 AM
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Vegas Star craps is all electronic (including dice):
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8169/8068410547_d7f19cd37b_h.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8169/8068409791_92fb3e41d4_h.jpg
altho i'm not sure the casino in nyc has the Firebet option.
and for SHFL fans
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8460/8068404741_6d3a22f458_h.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8169/8068410547_d7f19cd37b_h.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8169/8068409791_92fb3e41d4_h.jpg
altho i'm not sure the casino in nyc has the Firebet option.
and for SHFL fans
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8460/8068404741_6d3a22f458_h.jpg
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
August 3rd, 2013 at 7:40:04 AM
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Quote: ahiromuAre you guys saying that if this was in Nevada, the casinos could sue them to get all of the money back from this prolonged malfunction? I'm curious if (Shufflemaster?) has insurance for something like this.
I've never heard of a casino suing a player to get malfunction money back. I'd be interested in a legal confirmation or denial of this, but I think the burden of evidence would be higher to get the money back than to refuse to pay it in the first place.
In Nevada big malfunction cases always seem to go the casino's way. The Aurea Privee vs. Fiesta Henderson jackpot dispute is an illustrated example. That video I linked to doesn't say so, but the Fiesta won that case.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
August 3rd, 2013 at 9:19:11 AM
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Quote:In radiation dosing it was same thing ... enter keyboard variables one through ten then hit enter and things worked fine, but make last minute change to variables number 4 and 10, it would register on screen but not in instructions cache.
The Therac-25 problem was slightly more complex than that, and required over ride of a malfunction warning and also due to a lack of hardware interlocks.
Still, I'd expect the QA on a casino gambling device to test for the permanence of the data being used. It's a pretty standard test technique I use when testing new software in exploratory mode, and I would be slightly disappointed that the developer hadn't checked for it in their unit tests.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
August 11th, 2013 at 11:30:54 AM
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Those machines have all been changed over to e-roulette(completely digital without a real ball). They still have e-craps which is the bubble craps with real dice.
I know several people who witnessed it. It was a group which upon learning of the exploits took over several seats at all three of the craps tables. The witnesses I know said this is what alerted them-with only 9 seats per table the regulars couldn't get a bet in. This team was obviously together and one person was the ringleader, moving from table to table as they cleaned out the casino in one evening.
And yes, it is a shufflemaster glitch common to all of these machines. The same machines were immediately pulled from the Yonkers casino and I believe from 4 other ones.
I know several people who witnessed it. It was a group which upon learning of the exploits took over several seats at all three of the craps tables. The witnesses I know said this is what alerted them-with only 9 seats per table the regulars couldn't get a bet in. This team was obviously together and one person was the ringleader, moving from table to table as they cleaned out the casino in one evening.
And yes, it is a shufflemaster glitch common to all of these machines. The same machines were immediately pulled from the Yonkers casino and I believe from 4 other ones.
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
August 11th, 2013 at 9:51:24 PM
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I've seen the game in a few other places, notably Bucky's in Prescott. I wonder if they pulled it?
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4
August 11th, 2013 at 11:25:37 PM
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Quote: jonThe law struggles with whether these types of exploits are illegal or not. This seems similar to this incident: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/05/video-poker-hacking-dismissed/
If the units with the bug in question are visually similar to the one in the photo on the original article (as opposed to the 'dismissed' article), I think I've seen one of them, with Double Up enabled, in some tiny casino somewhere in the last few weeks.
...Wish I could remember which place it was though. Zzz. Wonder what the odds are that they never changed out the chips...
August 12th, 2013 at 6:12:01 AM
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I'm surprized. I never thought she was sweet and innocent, I's sure she might chew a coin to test for purity. The site returned a proper value but other systems calculated the pro rit.Quote: Wizardbig malfunction cases always seem to go the casino's way. The Aurea Privee vs. Fiesta Henderson jackpot dispute is an illustrated example. That video I linked to doesn't say so, but the Fiesta won that case.
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August 12th, 2013 at 8:47:44 AM
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I always considered it to be a design error but a proper operation so there was no malfunction, just a casino-loathed result, sort of like pressing one elevator button but consistently going to the incorrect floor. Its misrigged but its not malfunctioning at all.
