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i guess it is time to make a comment to who ever controls this site.


Number 1..... i did not come on here insulting anyone..... it is some of the people on here
that are about as rude and childlike as any site i have seen.

Number 2......dice control is one of the only relevant topics you can have in the discussion
of craps... It is well documented that not any bet on the craps table is in the favor of the
player.....none. therefore no combination of bets is in the players favor

Number 3.......it is not the fault of any poster on craps that you have a number of rude
immature posters that through their rude behavior make it difficult for any serious player
to post anything.

Number 4 .......It should be apparent to any player of craps that the issue of dice control
is a major item in craps all over the country. Every casino has some issues with it and demand
that you hit the back wall with both dice on a tub and some with both on a 12 foot table, and
that you hit the wall on all other tables with 1 die. Certain casinos all over the country do not
allow setting or harrass players that set and are doing well. It does not matter at all if the
people on here beleive in dice control or not, it is a major part of the current craps discussion.

Number 5 ......the real question is does this forum allow a free and open discussion, or does it
treat that like some of the people on here do with insults and childlike discussions of spelling etc.
This is your site and it reflects that, either you actually want serious discussion of craps
issues or you have what you have now.


Dicesetter

The way I see it there are three types of threads on craps going on:

Dice Bias: are dice biased? A fair thread. People have posted their opinions, and it's been relatively civil.

Dice Control: can you control dice? A fair thread.

Craps systems: Are there ways to beat the game using systems? These are fair as well. From a math perspective, forum members do a good job overall of dissuading any system. We know that there is no way to beat the game using random dice and the rules of the game. However, there are plenty of people who believe that dice have memory and that the game can be beaten.

Yep, there are a few members insulting and being childish towards each other, and those members probably should cool off for a while via a ban. The same thing applies in a forum as in real life: if you ignore the words, the words will eventually stop. People feed off each other.

The mods already made a decision to limit the number of DI/DC threads, and I think most of the members support it.


P.S.-Is your name 'dicesitter' or 'dicesetter'?

Quote: dicesitter

i guess it is time to make a comment to who ever controls this site.


Number 1..... i did not come on here insulting anyone..... it is some of the people on here
that are about as rude and childlike as any site i have seen.

I do not immediately recall your ban history, if any, so I will not presently comment as to this.

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Number 2......dice control is one of the only relevant topics you can have in the discussion
of craps... It is well documented that not any bet on the craps table is in the favor of the
player.....none. therefore no combination of bets is in the players favor

The first statement is false, the second statement is true. There are many relevant Craps topics, systems, betting strategies, bankroll management, trip/play reports, simulations, conditions (varying Field and Buy Bet conditions can be found at different casinos, for example), comps, there's plenty to discuss.

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Number 3.......it is not the fault of any poster on craps that you have a number of rude
immature posters that through their rude behavior make it difficult for any serious player
to post anything.

Your two recent threads were Locked not just for being off-topic, but mainly because they were new threads relating to dice control, and we put a moratorium on new threads relating to dice control roughly three weeks ago.

In any event, ZCore13 has been banned by The Wizard for a week, and AHigh's length of Suspension is currently in discussion between The Wizard and myself.

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Number 4 .......It should be apparent to any player of craps that the issue of dice control
is a major item in craps all over the country. Every casino has some issues with it and demand
that you hit the back wall with both dice on a tub and some with both on a 12 foot table, and
that you hit the wall on all other tables with 1 die. Certain casinos all over the country do not
allow setting or harrass players that set and are doing well. It does not matter at all if the
people on here beleive in dice control or not, it is a major part of the current craps discussion.

I believe that is because the dice could be controlled, relatively easily, if they do not hit the back wall. If I have four to a six Yahtzee, I can give you that Yahtzee about one out of two times rolling from a cup, for example.

However, I do not disagree that it is a major part of Craps Discussion. It is for that reason that we did not put a moratorium on all DI discussion, just on new threads relating to the subject because it reached the point where they constituted flooding.

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Number 5 ......the real question is does this forum allow a free and open discussion, or does it
treat that like some of the people on here do with insults and childlike discussions of spelling etc.
This is your site and it reflects that, either you actually want serious discussion of craps
issues or you have what you have now.


Dicesetter

We will entertain discussion on DI in both the relevant and already existent threads and have never stated otherwise. We have an indefinite ban on new DI threads, which may or may not eventually be lifted, and any Discussion of DI in a thread not created for that purpose will constitute derailment.

In the event that you find a post that you believe to violate the Rules, and neither myself nor The Wizard addresses that post, then you may PM me with a link to the post and an explanation as to what Rule you feel the post violates. If I agree, I will PUBLICLY take action as I always do with any post that is not outright Spam (I delete those and ban the Member without an announcement), and if I disagree, you will receive a return PM specifically stating the reason(s) for my disagreement.

-Mission146

The trouble with this country is we make laws that effect everybody and do nothing to the ones that are the problem.

I help run a board, and would just ban the trouble makers, when it became obvious that they couldn't behave like normal people. There is no reason to insult anybody on one of these boards, if you can't get your point across without the insults you better see what is wrong with yourself.

I don't know of any other way of putting it, some posters have major problems in life and they reflect that problem when posting. Any of the boards are to help out the members that are seeking help and want some good quality information from others that have be involved in gambling.
I don't agree with a lot that is posted on craps, we all have a different way of looking at the game. Before the words “Dice Influencer” was coined they were only random rollers and they were winning at craps if they knew how to bet the game and when to walkway when they were winning!

Everybody that knows me calls me a DI, but I will always be the first to tell anybody that you don't need to become one to win when you are playing craps, but it does help!
Just because I'm what they call a DI doesn't mean that I need to resort to calling others name if they don't believe in setting the dice when they are shooting. Craps is a negative game that most players will never learn to beat, all players are just getting lucky when they get on a roll and that even goes for the so-called DI's. They can't do it every time they go to the table and that is the truth about anybody that is called a DI.

For those of us that like to discuss these threads on what others call “Dice Control” we shouldn't be censored because of one or two posters that can't keep there insults to themselves!
If you ban one of them ban the other because it take two to tango. Dice control is not something that should be banned, you already have threads on everything else, like Religion, Off-Topic, GLBT, Adult Discussions and lets not forget Free Speech Zone!

Honestly, for a math-based site, there is a lot of anger here. I mean, it's not like we are talking about human rights infringements here. It's dice influence. I think the best solution would be one (or more) of the following:

1. Enact suspension for personal attacks.

2. Create a new category for discussion of DI. Make it separate from craps, and mutually exclusive. (Call it AP or something?)

3. Require all threads designated for the discussion of DI to include [DI] in the topic title. If it is not in the topic title, then DI is not permitted discussion within the thread. It should be up to the TC to determine if DI belongs in his/her thread.

I have missed most of the dice rhubarb, but I did see one day about 2 weeks ago that of the 10 threads displayed, 8 were about dice.
From what I saw in Blackhawk , the smaller casinos have a dice table and craps table, just because they have to. Talk about a loss leader. Table after empty table on a Wednesday night. 2 empty tables at Canyon, Mardi Gras , and Gilpin. 4 bored employees in each
just standing around staring at the walls.

An exciting game for those who like it. For me, it's as exciting as watching paint dry !

JB and the Wizard operate this web site. They are free to regulate the content of their website, including banning anyone they wish, limiting threads, and moderating behaviour.

Quote: superrick

For those of us that like to discuss these threads on what others call “Dice Control” we shouldn't be censored because of one or two posters that can't keep there insults to themselves!.... Dice control is not something that should be banned

I don't think there is any censorship going on. And discussion of dice control is not banned. (I assume you meant the "discussion" of dice control and not dice control itself.)

It is clear Wizard and the Moderator want to limit the discussion of dice control to existing threads--rather than see the creation of many additional and new threads to discuss the same things that are already in discussion elsewhere. It seems to me to be an easy thing to post in any of the existing threads dealing with dice control if there is something that someone wishes to discuss anew or again.

If there was considerable backlash or dissent from the membership about this decision to "better control dice control," then I suspect the Moderator would relent.

Regarding insults by posters, I think the Moderator and Wizard also do a pretty good job of supervising and taking action in the more egregious cases. Personally, I find some of the comments entertaining. However, I have no doubt if a negative remark was directed to me personally, I may have a less charitable view of the one posting the remark.

In some instances, there may be some intentional "pushing of another's buttons" to elicit or provoke a reaction--but it would also appear the recipients in those cases have contributed to an escalation of emotions by inviting the criticism and/or allowing their buttons to be pushed.

But you are right, superrick, the posters should keep the insults to themselves, especially if the discourse derails an interesting or beneficial thread.

Quote: Buzzard

I have missed most of the dice rhubarb, but I did see one day about 2 weeks ago that of the 10 threads displayed, 8 were about dice.

That seems to be the norm around here anymore. I know my opinion counts for nothing around here, but I really miss the "old WoV" (before Ahigh showed up and turned it into all dice control all the time).

I check in most days but don't see anything interesting anymore.

Quote: MakingBook

That seems to be the norm around here anymore. I know my opinion counts for nothing around here, but I really miss the "old WoV" (before Ahigh showed up and turned it into all dice control all the time).

I check in most days but don't see anything interesting anymore.

I'm in a similar boat, albeit not exactly the same. I've been busier than usual with work kicking up a bid lately, so I haven't been able to keep completely up to date with the forums as much as I would like. But when I do chance to step in and I see 2 or 3 threads on page 1 of recently updated, and they're all pissing matches between various forum members about dice control, it definitely reduces my interest in sticking around. I'm trying to make liberal use of the "Block Thread" button these days, to maintain my sanity and also limit the amount of time I spend here reading stuff that doesn't actually interest me.

Often I'll catch up on a 10- or 20-page thread, and when I'm done, I'll think "damn that was a waste of time, I didn't get anything useful out of that." I'm trying to reduce that in the future so I can continue to be around and read/contribute on things that interest me, and ignore the rest. The problem is that dice influence does interest me to a certain extent, but most of the threads recently have not had anything interesting to me. And yet I feel like I need to read through or at least scan them just to make sure.

Much of the problem wouldnt be a problem if there weren't an index of the "most recent posts."

It's that index on the home page which is the "turn off" to many members here.

If that index didn't exist, then the craps players would look at the craps thread, and the blackjack players would look at the blackjack thread, and the comps people would look at the comps thread, and so on... and no one would be complaining about what is in the other threads.

Quote: AlanMendelson

Much of the problem wouldnt be a problem if there weren't an index of the "most recent posts."

It's that index on the home page which is the "turn off" to many members here.

If that index didn't exist, then the craps players would look at the craps thread, and the blackjack players would look at the blackjack thread, and the comps people would look at the comps thread, and so on... and no one would be complaining about what is in the other threads.

I have to respectfully disagree Alan. I am a craps player. But other threads have gotten me back into BJ as a diversion when the craps tables are abusing me, and I even had a stint where I was learning tiles, until I found out there is no Tile game to be found in Biloxi. I am interested in ALL things gambling, not just reading about craps.

IF I had to search through each section to look for new threads and posts, I would miss may topics that I find interesting, AFTER I have read them.

I'd vote for getting rid of the most active thread list, or whatever it is called. The hoax that is 1.414 was a very long thread that was full of almost no value. It was sort of entertaining, in a train wreck sort of way. Speaking of train wrecks, there has been quite a bit of that going on here lately. Some threads I have no interest in, but the characters posting are worth the time spent reading....

Quote: AlanMendelson

Much of the problem wouldnt be a problem if there weren't an index of the "most recent posts."

It's that index on the home page which is the "turn off" to many members here.

If that index didn't exist, then the craps players would look at the craps thread, and the blackjack players would look at the blackjack thread, and the comps people would look at the comps thread, and so on... and no one would be complaining about what is in the other threads.

This forum is the only forum I use "recent threads" out of the many I go to. It's very specialized in the number of subforums that having a list of new threads and new posts makes it much easier to find. Also I would miss out on so many good threads about games I had no interest in until I opened the thread.

Dice control/influencing is something I auto-ignore at this point though. The horse has been beaten enough times.

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It was a pretty good insult, and no, I was too busy chuckling about said insult and my reply to remember to lock it.


It is pretty clear Mission 176 does not have any more common sense that Demango and is just as rude. I guess
you can insult any one you want as long as you get mission 176 to laugh at it.

All of this because a craps player believes in the aspect of dice control, or the aspect of team play when you have
players that atleast have been trained to some extent, play the game right and are gentleman at the table. Time
after time we have had good comments from dealers and players alike indicating it was nice to see people that
know how to play the game. tip the dealers and treat everyone at the table with respect.... in most circles that
would see to be a good reflection on the team.... here we are joked about....

now let me further say that this does not matter to me or us, i dont live my life by what goes on here, this
forum is a cheap way to attend a comedy club, having said that this forum must be here for some reason, and
i would think concerning the game of craps, it would be to further the understanding of all aspects of it, and
a hope to help players lose less playing it.

The people on here that can only insult and offer nothing to the goal, serve only to diminish this forum in the
eyes of any one that takes the game seriously.

Gman

If there were ever an insult that was made pursuant to the Statler & Waldorf standard, it was that one. The insult was as silly as one could possibly be. Trust me, should anyone make an insult against you that is not pursuant to that standard, I will be no more or less hesitant to Suspend the person for insulting you as I would be to Suspend them for insulting someone else.

Nope

Sorry i dont trust your judgement, it has been shown to be lacking. The problem on this site starts from
the top. The treatment i have received from the start as well as the treatment Frank Skoblete got are
testiment to the anti craps anti dice setting people on this site.

Let me further say that is fine, this is your forum, it can be anti anything you want. But you cant blame
it on people like Demango. he only reflects the attitude of the forum. This is not grade school where
suspenions solve the problem, there are other forums where this type of treatment of opinion never
happens, or if it does it is stopped immediately by other people on the site.

Here the anti DI stuff comes from the top.

Dicesetter

As a craps newbie, my input may not be worth much, but here it is: I suggest the Wizard & Mission create a subforum for craps for DI/ DC, etc., enthusiasts, critics, etc. One other excellent craps forum does this. Myself, I'll never be able to spend the time, effort, etc., to learn, let alone use, DI/DC. At the same time, I do not dismiss those who do so. But, the DI/DC controversy generates so much traffic, I think it best to have its own subforum. Let the controversy rage, there.

Quote: Sonny44

As a craps newbie, my input may not be worth much, but here it is: I suggest the Wizard & Mission create a subforum for craps for DI/ DC, etc., enthusiasts, critics, etc. One other excellent craps forum does this. Myself, I'll never be able to spend the time, effort, etc., to learn, let alone use, DI/DC. At the same time, I do not dismiss those who do so. But, the DI/DC controversy generates so much traffic, I think it best to have its own subforum. Let the controversy rage, there.

It would be a good suggestion, but the main problem was too many active threads all pursuant to the same topic (DI/DC) absolutely owning the Recent Threads list. We're honestly talking about six-eight threads all on Dice Influence on there in which most, if not all, of the threads were carrying on substantially the same conversation. I suppose, and with all due respect, it doesn't really address the problem.

With respect to you, DiceSitter, you are free to have any opinion you want about the situation, but I assure you, if there were six threads all about Martingaling an Even Money bet in Roulette all on the recent threads list, we'd find a way to condense that.

Frankly, I ignore your forum index page w/ its top threads, top contributors, recent threads, etc. I've bookmarked the Craps Forum, since I don't gamble in any other game. I've seen complaints re: your index page. People interested in a game don't need to know all the "top threads," "top contributors," "recent threads," etc. In fact, this page is confusing & diversionary to someone like me who doesn't give a crap (sorry) about other games. I would like to think you have a healthy craps community, and that community needs a separate forum for the DI/DC people, esp. if they dominate the "recent threads" category. I do not know how popular your "top threads," etc., page is. And, I am neither a craps cognoscenti nor one who likes to browse re: all games. Maybe that forum index page is popular, but it is not w/ me. If I'm not getting it, I apologize.

Quote: Sonny44

Frankly, I ignore your forum index page w/ its top threads, top contributors, recent threads, etc. I've bookmarked the Craps Forum, since I don't gamble in any other game. I've seen complaints re: your index page. People interested in a game don't need to know all the "top threads," "top contributors," "recent threads," etc. In fact, this page is confusing & diversionary to someone like me who doesn't give a crap (sorry) about other games. I would like to think you have a healthy craps community, and that community needs a separate forum for the DI/DC people, esp. if they dominate the "recent threads" category. I do not know how popular your "top threads," etc., page is. And, I am neither a craps cognoscenti nor one who likes to browse re: all games. Maybe that forum index page is popular, but it is not w/ me. If I'm not getting it, I apologize.

As you can guess from my name, I am pretty much a one game casino patron too, but, I enjoy many sections of this site. I start at the most recent list, and read most e new posts (I visit almost every day). I would be severely disappointed if that feature went away. To each his/her own.

I concur with RaleighCraps, it's a very popular feature and most message Boards either have that or a version thereof. Sometimes it requires a click on a link and then the page comes up separately, but in many cases, it's on the main Forum page.

Just one persons opinion, but I like the way the board is setup currently and I also agree with how the DI threads have been addressed. Too many with the same topic over and over. Nothing wrong with continuing to post on the same thread instead of creating a new one.

As for how people are or were treated on here, I believe Frank and others were treated fair with a healthy portion of questioning. The problem is the few who continued to defend their beliefs over and over offered no proof, which is going to be expected on a site like this.

This is a great site with many intelligent posters who all bring something to the table, but don't expect to insult them and not get it back.

Quote: Boz

As for how people are or were treated on here, I believe Frank and others were treated fair with a healthy portion of questioning. The problem is the few who continued to defend their beliefs over and over offered no proof, which is going to be expected on a site like this.

Of course they were treated fairly, if you think that no one has the right to question someone who writes about there great exploits like this one, I really feel for you.

Quote: FrankScoblete

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/13188-2-tales-of-the-same-event-ruined-by-biased-dice/5/

"Last month in Atlantic City I rolled 11 eights in 12 rolls and then went on to roll 26 eights out of 45 numbers for that particular turn with the dice. I have seen rolls even better. My dice-control partner, Jerry “Stickman” clobbered the Grand (now Harrah’s) in Tunica with 23 sixes out of 28 numbers! I think that was a roll of a lifetime.

Has anybody ever done something like that on these board? How about any of you DI's out there?
Dicesitter, have you ever seen anything like that on one of the tables you play on or are the team you play craps with not playing on the same level as these great shooters, come on now it think you had said you seen them shoot!

Why in the world would anybody want to put these guys up on a pedestal is beyond me! I've shot craps with the best shooters in this country many times over and nobody has ever put together any rolls like that. I've been on the tables on 50, 60, 70, 80 and yes 90 rolls and all I can say about the above quote is BS. I will not insult my intelligences by writing an Email to Jerry “Stickman” so he can back up FS story about FS and himself!

There were members that didn't like to read about all the treads on the DI that Ahigh started and kept going, they all just wanted to call him names and become distracters to what he was posting. Now that he is banned what do you have happening on any thread on craps? “NOTHING AT All”

While some people do not want to read about craps, while he was here, you had a lot of activity on the board, therefor bring new members to the site, not a bad thing if you ask me, I'm sure the Wizard makes more money off all the hits he was getting when there is a lot of activity on the board. There is a great interest in craps, just like BJ because these are the game that most players think they have a chance of beating, so why wouldn't you have more threads on those two type of threads?
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Quote: superrick

There were members that didn't like to read about all the treads on the DI that Ahigh started and kept going, they all just wanted to call him names and become distracters to what he was posting. Now that he is banned what do you have happening on any thread on craps? “NOTHING AT All”

While some people do not want to read about craps, while he was here, you had a lot of activity on the board, therefor bring new members to the site, not a bad thing if you ask me, I'm sure the Wizard makes more money off all the hits he was getting when there is a lot of activity on the board. There is a great interest in craps, just like BJ because these are the game that most players think they have a chance of beating, so why wouldn't you have more threads on those two type of threads?
...

I think it's the Wizard's desire to have a variety of topics in the forum section. He probably values the integrity of the forum over Bodog clicks.

I think it's okay to take a break on the Craps topic for awhile. Things were getting beat to death. I know that A-high was getting lambasted over a number of topics, but he kind of brought it on himself, first by overreacting to criticism, then by posting a series of posts on how great a crap player that he was. I thought that the dice rolls he took was valuable as was the bias that he was trying to collect.

yes superick i have.........


I have seens franks throw and i have seen stickmans throw, and i have talked to people that saw Stickmans 26 6's.

Both those men are capable of interesting things on a craps table, does that mean they can do it all the time, certainly not,
no one can and no one has to. I have seen random throwers do remarkable things, last year i saw a drunk guy throw for
85 minutes, during the roll he threw up three times in a small garbage can, I cant tell you how many 6 or 8's he threw
it was amazing and the table limit was only $200 i think.

Frank and Dom talk about the 45 minute roll Dom has that was featured on breaking Vegas,,,, that was a great roll, we
have all had those, we did not make as much money, we did not call our shots at the end, but think about it, in jest we have all
called our shots or a buddy's shot from time to time . and also to many random rollers have had
those great rolls to count, just because Frank writes about it does not mean
it did not happen. And if you think about the events he speaks about, they are not beyond what would possible at all.

I just dont think we need the rude comments etc we get on here, and i dont think he was well treated.. But thats my
opinion... no one else has to feel that. Hell i am 65 years old, you sure as hell wont hurt my feelings what ever is
said here. I am just not in the habit of calling people liars... you tell me you threw 8 hardways in a row... good for you
it does not affect me in the least whether you did or not...


dicesetter

superrick I saw a totally random shooter throw 18 yos in a row at Caesars. Stuff like this happens no matter what the odds are that they will happen. how many times a day are a pair of dice thrown in casinos around the world?

Eventually things like this happen.

A better question is what happened when this didn't happen? Thats my problem with the "expert dice throwers" because they don't give us the full picture.

Alan


What happens to the random thrower the next day after a hugh roll, the next week, the next month?????

I contend your not listening....... I have been closer to DI than you have and i can tell you i have never
heard anyone tell you or anyone else they win all the time or they even win the majority of times at the table.

YOU see the good reports and YOU assume thats all they do , they are bragging.... nonsense,

We fish walleye tournaments.... and we win some... and we lose every other one we enter...do you
discount the wins because you cant win them all, do you discount a roll of 50-60-70-80-90 because you
cant do it every day.. hardly.

You want a full picture.... you spend hundreds and hundreds of hours at the table practicing, thousands
of dollars.... you get it right and it goes away again,,, you play at a higher or longer table, you have to
play different than you practice, you play at the tables with your buddies that dont believe in dice
setting at all, and you get your turn and they always bet more on you and expert your going to have
the perfect roll, and you 7 out 5 times in a row.....you practice over and over and get right and the pit boss
says no, you cant throw like that here...

The only reason many do make money is they know what their throw should look like and if they dont'
have it that day they quit before they dig a hole. Keep loses small and hope the larger wins add up to
more than your loses.

Alan you want to see the other side.... it is no different than anything else in life, if you dont win , you lose
the only difference here is if we dont win, it was our fault, you cant blame bad luck, if you have a decent
throw, your grip was wrong , or something, you fix it and you win....but beleive me, there is more off
than on. the only question is, is it worth to you.... you have determined it is not... great.... i have determined
for me it is... also great. we dont all walk the same path in life.

Dicesetter

Quote: Alan M

superrick I saw a totally random shooter throw 18 yos in a row at Caesars. Stuff like this happens no matter what the odds are that they will happen. how many times a day are a pair of dice thrown in casinos around the world?

Eventually things like this happen.

A better question is what happened when this didn't happen? Thats my problem with the "expert dice throwers" because they don't give us the full picture.

Alan All the DI's I know won't make outrages claims. They will also tell you that they lose all the time, they don't have back to back to back large rolls. They are very realistic when they play craps, we don't brag about what we have done in the past. Large rolls happen all the time with the so-called random rollers, it's no big deal when you have one! You just got lucky, and every fell into place, you can't do it every time you go to the tables.

We do have some great fiction writers that nobody has ever even seen shooting, making outrageous claims to there shooting skills, like the SRR of 28,.. therefore making anybody that makes a claim like 23,..6's in a 28 roll a little hard to believe. Now I've seen a lot of pretty strange things happen on a craps table, but none like either claim to fame like above.

Nobody is a machine and that is all there is to it! Sorry until I see something that come somewhat close I can't believe it!

Quote: Dicesetter

I just dont think we need the rude comments etc we get on here, and i dont think he was well treated.. But thats my
opinion... no one else has to feel that. Hell i am 65 years old, you sure as hell wont hurt my feelings what ever is
said here. I am just not in the habit of calling people liars... you tell me you threw 8 hardways in a row... good for you
it does not affect me in the least whether you did or not...

Dicesetter nobody is being rude when they question something that they have every right in the world to be skeptical about, and by the way,.. go back a read what FS said about these great rolls,.. where they roll all those 6's, his only witness was Jerry "Stickman", he didn't say anybody else was on the table.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/13188-2-tales-of-the-same-event-ruined-by-biased-dice/5/

Quote: FrankScoblete

Jerry "Stickman" recorded the rolls. Why not write him (stickmanjerry@aol.com) and ask him if the event happened. Unlike the Captain's roll I didn't promise myself I wouldn't write about myself. Myself is a topic I like. The roll took place around 6am and only one other player was at the table with us. But I am sure Stickman will verify the roll. (If Superrick writes him I know, and you know, that he will say Stickman is lying to cover for me.)

You know that I'm a skeptic and no I will not be writing Jerry "Stickman" and the reason is because nobody talked about this great roll that was suppose to have happened in the DI community.
So because of that I would say it is just hearsay, rolls like that have a habit of everybody hearing about them, DI's are just like old wives when it come to talking about something like that.
So when someone is being skeptical, they are not being rude. We give anybody the benefit of the doubt when something doesn't sound right! No one said liar liar pants on fire, I think that I will start asking all the dealers that have been dealing over twenty years that I know to see if they have ever seen anything like what FS said happened, maybe I will have to apologize if one of these guys tells me sure we seen that happen many time, but I doubt it!

There is a big difference between hearsay and having someone that was at the table standing in front of you saying that,.. sure you know Bill A and Tom D and I think, oh yea it was Frank P they were all at the table when it happened just ask them, instead of ask Jerry "Stickman" the guy that is going to back up your story that works for you selling becoming a DI.

You also got to know that I'm not a GTC member waiting on every written word about what happened in there world. I get a lot of reports from the guys around Vegas when a bunch of GTC guys are in town and have seen FS shooting before when he has been in town, I guess that I've always missed any of his really good rolls and only caught his bad days!

Bad days happen to all of us, after all they call me a DI and I know that I can't win on every table I play on. I sometimes have to move on to the next casino because I'm having one of those bad days on the table I started out on! In Vegas we are lucky that we can move our play around and I feel for the guys that have to drive for three hours only to find that the one table they can play on is full.

Dicesetter I'm not the guy that never picked up the dice, I can tell you what happened to you when you were playing in Laughlin on the Tropicana table because,.. I got a phone call about it, by one of the guys that I've help out with his shooting and how to play the game. There is a lot of information passed around about other players when they are in town. I try to avoid out of town shooters or big groups of DI's like the plague, but still get a kick out of seeing what the guys are doing on the tables or hearing what happened!

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well i am not sure who would call you because there were three people at the table, me a guy and girl making out, and another girl.

My first toss was a 7 out... the pit boss said nothing..... the guy and the girl kept messing around and would throw now and then
just slowed everything up.... the pit boss said nothing, then a women got the dice and half her rolls were off the table.. the pit boss
said nothing..... then i got them for the second time and my throwed looked good, i got a point, and came back and the dice hit the table
bounced well and came to rest a couple inches fom the back wall... the pit boss leaned over and said you cant throw like that, i had another
roll and he frowned again and said they have to hit the wall and come way back... i threw two more rolls a little harder and had one hardway
6 and another number and he frowned more, so when i hit the seven i colored up and left.

That is exactly what happened.... and its ok, they have a right to either allow it or not.

I came home and called the casino in question and asked for the pit boss..... i went over what happened the day before and he said
we dont like a DI to slow the game down..... i asked what about the couple that were making out... seemed they were slow, what
about the girl that threw half the rolls off the table, was that slowing it down.... he mumbled....

I am always courteous and just said if you dont want me setting the dice, does it mean you also dont want my wife losing a few hundred
in two nights there on slots... he mumbled again.

I indicated i am a very small better which i am, i am not out to skin the casino.. i just want to play and have some fun
and if i win a little thats also good.. He was then friendly, and said why not stop in next time in town and we will talk
it over.

fair enough to me

And Rick, no one in world would know i am in town because no one in the world cares... i am such a small better, i am just
an old fart the sets the dice. I dont get together with hardly anyone out there, on that trip i did meet a very nice guy from
this site and we played a couple of hours and did terrible. But i must confess, it brought a smile to my face that some
one knew i was there, lord you must have to have a boring life to notice me.

Dicesetter


PS i dont question for a second that your a good player, and know many GTC guys and have seen Frank throw
poorly, your there more than i am. I hope you do well. You may even have a bone to pick with Frank or otherGTC
guys when they get together... but that has nothing to do with me, i am pretty much a loner, particularly out there,
we have our team here... but we are 65, 66 ,66 and 68, this is a night out for us.... we are not trying to be Frank or
Dom....