TheWolf713
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May 17th, 2013 at 1:22:10 PM permalink
After talking with petroglyph on the forum a couple of weeks ago, I decided to make another practice rig with a thicker piece of Volara foam... It TURNED MY TABLE INTO A TRAMPOLINE!!! LOL

There is absolutely no table in my area with this kind of bounce, but I just wanted to ask the forum has anyone played on a table that had a significantly different bounce than our normal tables? And how did you fair? What are your thoughts?
"I'm a DO'er and you my friend, are a Don'ter" -Mark Walberg pain and Gain
Ahigh
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May 17th, 2013 at 2:05:25 PM permalink
The most ideal type of bounce is none at all. Imagine throwing dice into a pit of sand that is smoothed out to be flat after each roll. That is ideal.

If you can visually imagine that, it helps. You can physically count the total absolute degrees of rotation of each cube AFTER it hits the felt and measure that as representing the amount of randomness for post-initial impact.

If your initial impact is already 100% random, less bounce doesn't help.

But if you have an initial impact that has control, you need an average of at least 180 degrees of total rotation before randomness can be achieved. With less than 180' of randomness post-impact, not all faces are attainable relative to the initial impact orientation.

In general, the more the rotation (total degrees of die rotation after initial impact) the more randomness you can expect.

The total amount of bounce (height) is not as important as the total amount of rotation after initial impact.

I hope this helps.

I would also like to point out I hesitated to give you any response at all after your rude comments on a previous thread where you used the word "futility" and other words to describe the work that I was doing.

IE: In the future, you might make your point without being so rude.
Zcore13
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May 17th, 2013 at 2:28:07 PM permalink
OH MY GOD... What would he have done if you chose to not reply because he was rude to you? Nobody else could have answered. Thank you for your presence Oh Masterful One.

On a side note, he did not even bring up Dice Control or Influence in his question. He asked about the table and if anyone has experience playing on bouncier tables. You turned it into some sort of control issue again and didn't even reply to his question.

To answer your question Wolf, I've never noticed any difference from any of the tables I've played on in Las Vegas or Laughlin. I'm just a normal recreational player and what little difference there probably is in the bounce at each table is not noticable and irrelivent to me.

ZCore13
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Ahigh
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May 17th, 2013 at 2:36:13 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

OH MY GOD... What would he have done if you chose to not reply because he was rude to you? Nobody else could have answered. Thank you for your presence Oh Masterful One.

On a side note, he did not even bring up Dice Control or Influence in his question. He asked about the table and if anyone has experience playing on bouncier tables. You turned it into some sort of control issue again and didn't even reply to his question.

To answer your question Wolf, I've never noticed any difference from any of the tables I've played on in Las Vegas or Laughlin. I'm just a normal recreational player and what little difference there probably is in the bounce at each table is not noticable and irrelivent to me.

ZCore13

Sorry I failed to realize the question had nothing to do with the possibility for achieving a controlled shot.

Let me give an answer now that I understand what you're saying. Yeah, uhm, you might have the dice bounce off the table more often, and it will save you money because you will lose more slowly. How's that for a WOV/Zcore approved answer?

To the original poster, I am sorry that I didn't realize you only built a practice table at home to figure out the effect of a bouncier table on your luck and rate of loss.

If you want the best chance for good luck, the bouncier the better!!!! And that advice works for the ladies out there too!
TheWolf713
Joined: Feb 12, 2013
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May 17th, 2013 at 3:18:51 PM permalink
Thanks Zcore for understanding that it wasn't a DI question. And thank you Ahigh for being... Ahigh. I use a real table (just as you do) to practice on as well and I do build rigs... I just wanted to try a thicker foam and wanted to get input from other players... I have a control, and I was trying to ask for a few independent variables... Like.... A experiment should have... I mean No offense..

"I'm a DO'er and you my friend, are a Don'ter" -Mark Walberg pain and Gain
Ahigh
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May 17th, 2013 at 3:38:44 PM permalink
Quote: TheWolf713

Thanks Zcore for understanding that it wasn't a DI question. And thank you Ahigh for being... Ahigh. I use a real table (just as you do) to practice on as well and I do build rigs... I just wanted to try a thicker foam and wanted to get input from other players... I have a control, and I was trying to ask for a few independent variables... Like.... A experiment should have... I mean No offense..

I didn't think you meant to offend me, and that's precisely why I mentioned it to you that you came across as rude. Maybe it was the word "futile" that bothered me.

Sorry I can't relate to doing experiments on a table that's more bouncy or even "practicing" if you aren't looking into the possibility of improving your outcomes.

But as an expert of what is futile as it relates to throwing dice and practicing, maybe it's just what you are into, I guess.
Mikey75
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May 17th, 2013 at 3:51:30 PM permalink
I've been considering purchasing a practice rig but I haven't as of yet. I haven't decided what I want to go with for sure but I know I don't want to build one with the price of the pyramid material there is no way I could build it and save money. Would you have a suggestion on what to buy? The bounce has been one of my concerns with buying a practice rig.

The tables that I have played in Tunica seemed pretty bouncy. If you throwed the dice very hard at all they would clear the back rail on the bounce and fly off of the table. I read that the tables at Horseshoe are not as bouncy but I haven't played on them yet so I can't really say.
Doc
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May 17th, 2013 at 5:13:03 PM permalink
Quote: TheWolf713

I just wanted to ask the forum has anyone played on a table that had a significantly different bounce than our normal tables? And how did you fair? What are your thoughts?

Quote: Mikey75

The tables that I have played in Tunica seemed pretty bouncy.

I posted almost three years ago about my experience on a Mississippi table with a strange bounce.
DeMango
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May 17th, 2013 at 5:20:20 PM permalink
Borgata: By far the bounciest tables out there.
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TheWolf713
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May 17th, 2013 at 5:52:48 PM permalink
Quote: DeMango

Borgata: By far the bounciest tables out there.