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May 10th, 2013 at 10:28:32 PM
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tonights practice with hardway set
3-3 3-6 6-5
4-4 2-1 3-2
2-4 1-1 6-5
2-3 4-2 6-5
4-1 2-6 4-2
5-6 4-5 6-5
6-4 3-3 4-2
4-3 4-2 1-4
4-3 3-1 5-6
3-1 5-4 6-2
6-4 1-4 6-3
5-4 4-3 6-4
4-5 5-5 2-2
4-5 5-3 6-2
3-5 2-3 1-4
6-2 3-5 4-3
3-6 4-3 4-2
5-5 6-5 6-2
Not to bad....... 52.71 on axis 29.09 6 & 8... 9.16 SRR
the hardway set is not a set to maximize 6 & 8 so i am happy with anything over random
dicesetter
3-3 3-6 6-5
4-4 2-1 3-2
2-4 1-1 6-5
2-3 4-2 6-5
4-1 2-6 4-2
5-6 4-5 6-5
6-4 3-3 4-2
4-3 4-2 1-4
4-3 3-1 5-6
3-1 5-4 6-2
6-4 1-4 6-3
5-4 4-3 6-4
4-5 5-5 2-2
4-5 5-3 6-2
3-5 2-3 1-4
6-2 3-5 4-3
3-6 4-3 4-2
5-5 6-5 6-2
Not to bad....... 52.71 on axis 29.09 6 & 8... 9.16 SRR
the hardway set is not a set to maximize 6 & 8 so i am happy with anything over random
dicesetter
May 10th, 2013 at 11:30:20 PM
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Why are you posting this? Who cares?
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
May 10th, 2013 at 11:46:29 PM
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Quote: DeMangoWhy are you posting this? Who cares?
Uh... I care.
Thank you for your valuable contribution to the discussion!
May 11th, 2013 at 2:46:18 AM
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Commenting on garbage is the job of us curmudgeons. It cannot be emphasized more what useless value, practice rolls, at home are. You cannot possibly care if you know anything about at home practice. Then to publish this useless material means what to whom? Keep it to yourself.
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
May 11th, 2013 at 3:16:51 AM
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Quote: DeMangoYou cannot possibly care if you know anything about at home practice.
No doubt that you are an authority on "at home practice."
Thanks for telling me about that which I do not care.
May 11th, 2013 at 6:00:29 AM
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Quote: tuppNo doubt that you are an authority on "at home practice."
Thank you, I am!
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
May 11th, 2013 at 6:22:58 AM
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Quote: dicesittertonights practice with hardway set
3-3 3-6 6-5
4-4 2-1 3-2
2-4 1-1 6-5
2-3 4-2 6-5
4-1 2-6 4-2
5-6 4-5 6-5
6-4 3-3 4-2
4-3 4-2 1-4
4-3 3-1 5-6
3-1 5-4 6-2
6-4 1-4 6-3
5-4 4-3 6-4
4-5 5-5 2-2
4-5 5-3 6-2
3-5 2-3 1-4
6-2 3-5 4-3
3-6 4-3 4-2
5-5 6-5 6-2
Not to bad....... 52.71 on axis 29.09 6 & 8... 9.16 SRR
the hardway set is not a set to maximize 6 & 8 so i am happy with anything over random
dicesetter
I am happy you wrote dicesetter instead of dicesitter!
If the above example actually happened, to me it would only have any significance if I knew you were going to publish the results regardless of what they were.
If you had a practice session last night with a 6 SRR would you have made a thread about it? I think not!
3 weeks ago I hit 36 out of 37 3 point shots. If I try to imply that I am a 97% 3 point shooter, what would you think? I was for that unique period in time, but I wouldn't bother posting the time I went 12 for 20. Picking a specific success while not ever posting a 'practice failure' has no value.
May 11th, 2013 at 6:23:28 AM
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Quote: dicesittertonights practice with hardway set
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Not too bad....... 52.71 on axis 29.09 6 & 8... 9.16 SRR
the hardway set is not a set to maximize 6 & 8 so I am happy with anything over random
Well, I won't comment as to whether these practice results are "anything over random" or not.
I'm sure some of these math whizzes will whip off their shoes and socks and calculate just
how possible to achieve those same results from a non-hardways set or even a set that is
calculated to yield a great many 6&8 results.
As you said, these were at home practice rolls...
Please do let us know how things go for you when you hit the casino with its real music,
real booze, real broads and real jackpots all over the place.
I hope you do well. And frankly so does the craps crew... please remember to put a few hardways down "for all the Boys and Girls".
I doubt the crew will believe that you have any special powers but they will indeed be grateful for any special bets.
May 11th, 2013 at 7:04:45 AM
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Although I agree that posts of home practice is of questionable value, I do find it interesting that the only 7s rolled were 4-3.
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May 11th, 2013 at 7:17:57 AM
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Its a small sample size and many players "feel" 4,3 happens more often than 5,2. Perhaps it does. Perhaps it should.Quote: DJTeddyBearAlthough I agree that posts of home practice is of questionable value, I do find it interesting that the only 7s rolled were 4-3.
May 11th, 2013 at 7:51:53 AM
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First , the only reason i posted one practice set this week is that i only had one and that was last night because i am going to
play tonight.
the other reason is the show the hard way set and what can be the distribution of numbers rolled. this set shows a couple of things,
first it shows no 1-6 6-1... that is the basis of the hardway set. to stay on axis as much as possible to limit those. The 4/3 3/4 is
pain in the butt, because it reveals a good throw, just one 1/4turn off on both dice.
For me atleast, i have to actually feel the dice roll off my fingers to get decent axis control, i struggle with this, so all my practice
sessions lately have been to take a little tighter grip. My casino play needs to improve, i get some nice rolls, Last thursday a 28,
Friday night a nice 32, but way to many 1-3 rolls, which will kill you. Now a good number of those were 4/3 3/4 , but still had some
1/6/6/1 and 5/2.
I wish i was one of those talented people that can just pick them up and throw well , but i cant, i need to keep working on my
throw and practice.
dicesetter
play tonight.
the other reason is the show the hard way set and what can be the distribution of numbers rolled. this set shows a couple of things,
first it shows no 1-6 6-1... that is the basis of the hardway set. to stay on axis as much as possible to limit those. The 4/3 3/4 is
pain in the butt, because it reveals a good throw, just one 1/4turn off on both dice.
For me atleast, i have to actually feel the dice roll off my fingers to get decent axis control, i struggle with this, so all my practice
sessions lately have been to take a little tighter grip. My casino play needs to improve, i get some nice rolls, Last thursday a 28,
Friday night a nice 32, but way to many 1-3 rolls, which will kill you. Now a good number of those were 4/3 3/4 , but still had some
1/6/6/1 and 5/2.
I wish i was one of those talented people that can just pick them up and throw well , but i cant, i need to keep working on my
throw and practice.
dicesetter
May 11th, 2013 at 9:23:43 AM
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I rolled this tonight
3-3 3-6 2-4 1-1 6-5 3-3 2-4 1-1 6-5 5-6 6-4 6-4 1-4 6-3 5-6 6-4 5-4 6-2
3-3 3-6 6-5 3-3 2-3 4-2 6-5 4-1 2-6 4-2 6-5 3-3 2-3 4-2 3-3 3-6 3-1 5-4 6-2
4-4 2-1 3-2 3-3 2-4 1-1 6-5 3-3 3-3 3-6 3-3 3-6 3-3 3-6 4-3 4-2 1-4 3-1 5-4 6-2
4-3 3-1 5-6 6-4 3-3 4-2 3-1 5-4 6-2 3-1 5-4 6-2 3-1 6-4 3-3 4-2 5-4 6-2 3-1 5-4 6-2
I bought in for $250 and cashed out $2,180 tipped the dealers the $80 As I was leaving
the General walked up and greeted me With was looked like 30k in chips he just won
from the craps table in the other pit he had a monster roll that lasted forever he
gave me 3 black and said take your girl shopping on me I tried to refuse the
chips he said, he insisted it would bring us both good luck. I said, thanks
& then I woke up~ the obvious point is... just telling everyone what you may or may not have done is MEANINGLESS. It is not reasonably documented. Proof is the only thing excepted and respected, when it comes to DI. non proof = did not happen. Find a way to record your throws and post them. Even then you need to somehow announce prior that sessions the times and date your rolling and tracking. Just to prove your not cherry picking & showing only good sessions.
3-3 3-6 2-4 1-1 6-5 3-3 2-4 1-1 6-5 5-6 6-4 6-4 1-4 6-3 5-6 6-4 5-4 6-2
3-3 3-6 6-5 3-3 2-3 4-2 6-5 4-1 2-6 4-2 6-5 3-3 2-3 4-2 3-3 3-6 3-1 5-4 6-2
4-4 2-1 3-2 3-3 2-4 1-1 6-5 3-3 3-3 3-6 3-3 3-6 3-3 3-6 4-3 4-2 1-4 3-1 5-4 6-2
4-3 3-1 5-6 6-4 3-3 4-2 3-1 5-4 6-2 3-1 5-4 6-2 3-1 6-4 3-3 4-2 5-4 6-2 3-1 5-4 6-2
I bought in for $250 and cashed out $2,180 tipped the dealers the $80 As I was leaving
the General walked up and greeted me With was looked like 30k in chips he just won
from the craps table in the other pit he had a monster roll that lasted forever he
gave me 3 black and said take your girl shopping on me I tried to refuse the
chips he said, he insisted it would bring us both good luck. I said, thanks
& then I woke up~ the obvious point is... just telling everyone what you may or may not have done is MEANINGLESS. It is not reasonably documented. Proof is the only thing excepted and respected, when it comes to DI. non proof = did not happen. Find a way to record your throws and post them. Even then you need to somehow announce prior that sessions the times and date your rolling and tracking. Just to prove your not cherry picking & showing only good sessions.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
May 11th, 2013 at 1:53:09 PM
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axelwolf
I am assuming you understand that i did not practice last night for your benefit, and really
not interested if you like it or not, some people want to see these things, i get a number
of personal emails from a few on here that are serious craps players.
You are better off going back to your dream, rather than fretting over my practice results.
Dicesetter
I am assuming you understand that i did not practice last night for your benefit, and really
not interested if you like it or not, some people want to see these things, i get a number
of personal emails from a few on here that are serious craps players.
You are better off going back to your dream, rather than fretting over my practice results.
Dicesetter
May 11th, 2013 at 6:51:00 PM
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There's nothing wrong with dicesetter posting his practice results...
You guys should lay off the throttle sometimes...
They are just his results, and he felt he should share.. Where was the harm?
You guys should lay off the throttle sometimes...
They are just his results, and he felt he should share.. Where was the harm?
"I'm a DO'er and you my friend, are a Don'ter"
-Mark Walberg
pain and Gain
May 13th, 2013 at 3:34:03 AM
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I agree there is no harm, and some might see some benefit from it.
But what I would like to know is what "dicesitter" means? I think the question was asked before but I didn't see a response.
And I also see no harm in practicing and if someone finds a particular set or grip that helps them get preferred results, please share. There is no harm in doing this.
But what I would like to know is what "dicesitter" means? I think the question was asked before but I didn't see a response.
And I also see no harm in practicing and if someone finds a particular set or grip that helps them get preferred results, please share. There is no harm in doing this.
May 13th, 2013 at 4:48:39 AM
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That is because those dice were biased differently from the prevalent 1-6 bias.Quote: DJTeddyBearI do find it interesting that the only 7s rolled were 4-3.
May 13th, 2013 at 5:17:24 AM
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Quote: SanchoPanzaThat is because those dice were biased differently from the prevalent 1-6 bias.
+1
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
May 13th, 2013 at 5:37:35 AM
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Yeah, we all gotta participate, huh? Great. Hey I have a comment too! Actually I don't, I just felt jealous that others had meaningful contributions and I clicked on reply.
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May 13th, 2013 at 8:38:10 AM
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here is todays practice set.
this set is with the 3-v set.
This set of data indicates why it is important to know what your throw is doing
and change the set if it is indicated.
In this set of 50 I had on axis of 58% which is good, i had an Srr of 10 which is
also good, i had only 12 6 & 8's which is awful, the interesting aspect of this set
is the 8 5-6's...... why this is important is that if i had been using the hardway
set they would all have been 3/4 or 4/3 depending on which hard way set i
used.
3-1 5-6 5-6 4-1 2-3 6-2 3-5 4-5
1-1 4-5 4-3 5-2 5-3 1-5 4-6 3-1
5-6 1-2 5-1 5-4 4-6 5-6 5-6 5-6
2-5 2-6 5-5 4-5 3-6 4-1 2-6 2-3
6-5 5-6 3-6 4-1 5-6 2-4 6-6 4-2
3-3 4-5 4-3 3-1 1-3 2-2 2-4 3-1
5-1 2-4
Hope this shows that set makes a difference, AND IT HAS NOTHING to do with bias dice. I guess biased
dice is a good excuse for not winning, maybe we can use that in fishing, by boat was biased to 20
feet of water when the fish were in ten, or my bowling ball was biased to the gutter.
Dont rely on just luck do the work
Dicesetter
this set is with the 3-v set.
This set of data indicates why it is important to know what your throw is doing
and change the set if it is indicated.
In this set of 50 I had on axis of 58% which is good, i had an Srr of 10 which is
also good, i had only 12 6 & 8's which is awful, the interesting aspect of this set
is the 8 5-6's...... why this is important is that if i had been using the hardway
set they would all have been 3/4 or 4/3 depending on which hard way set i
used.
3-1 5-6 5-6 4-1 2-3 6-2 3-5 4-5
1-1 4-5 4-3 5-2 5-3 1-5 4-6 3-1
5-6 1-2 5-1 5-4 4-6 5-6 5-6 5-6
2-5 2-6 5-5 4-5 3-6 4-1 2-6 2-3
6-5 5-6 3-6 4-1 5-6 2-4 6-6 4-2
3-3 4-5 4-3 3-1 1-3 2-2 2-4 3-1
5-1 2-4
Hope this shows that set makes a difference, AND IT HAS NOTHING to do with bias dice. I guess biased
dice is a good excuse for not winning, maybe we can use that in fishing, by boat was biased to 20
feet of water when the fish were in ten, or my bowling ball was biased to the gutter.
Dont rely on just luck do the work
Dicesetter
May 13th, 2013 at 11:07:42 AM
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I wonder what the p value of these practice sets is compared to the p value of the data sets Face collected.
May 13th, 2013 at 1:23:08 PM
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Looking at the two practice sets I got p-values as follows:
On the numbers rolled from 2 to 12:
Set 1: .2964
Set 2: .031
Combined: .0028
On the faces 1 to 6:
Set 1: .1825
Set 2: .6143
Combined: .215
From this I'd conclude that the dice faces are appearing in a normal distribution, but the numbers from 2 to 12 are deviating from their normal distribution in Set 2 and overall.
On the numbers rolled from 2 to 12:
Set 1: .2964
Set 2: .031
Combined: .0028
On the faces 1 to 6:
Set 1: .1825
Set 2: .6143
Combined: .215
From this I'd conclude that the dice faces are appearing in a normal distribution, but the numbers from 2 to 12 are deviating from their normal distribution in Set 2 and overall.
May 15th, 2013 at 9:27:11 AM
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Alan i guess it could mean a lot of things, perhaps it is a person that spends a lot of time watching
dice, it could mean it is another way of writing dicesetter which is what i do. Now in terms of the
reason for this, i really cant answer, I did not want to use may name, i have another forum name on
a web site with more learned craps players and i did not want any of those folks to think i just had
way to much time on my hands to end up here.
It may also have been because i got up to early one day, or got to bed to late one day, there alot of
reasons.. all in all this sorta reminds of a debate i had in college, now that was a long time ago, i think
it was in East Lansing, at any rate the other side got up and went on and on about something they
had no understanding of, did not appear to be anything close to the debate topic, any at rate i got
up to refute and the judge stopped me and said something like dont even start, since i dont have any
idea which they just said, i will not listen to you trying to explain something neither you or i understand.
that reminds me of this forum. Day after day all we hear about is biased dice, dice influence cant be proven,
that is not spelled correctly, or said correctly, or Ahigh is doing what ever it is he does trying to get his
name in lights somewhere.
Never is there anything offered to improve a players ability to play craps.
The best line was your last line..... if some one finds a particular set that gets them preferred results
please share....... i love that liine.....Alan i did that, i have been doing that, and what do i get for
sharing...... A question about dicesitter...
Henry Ford
PS that is not my name, but i figured if you want to ask me about Henry Ford i would have
an easy answer.
dice, it could mean it is another way of writing dicesetter which is what i do. Now in terms of the
reason for this, i really cant answer, I did not want to use may name, i have another forum name on
a web site with more learned craps players and i did not want any of those folks to think i just had
way to much time on my hands to end up here.
It may also have been because i got up to early one day, or got to bed to late one day, there alot of
reasons.. all in all this sorta reminds of a debate i had in college, now that was a long time ago, i think
it was in East Lansing, at any rate the other side got up and went on and on about something they
had no understanding of, did not appear to be anything close to the debate topic, any at rate i got
up to refute and the judge stopped me and said something like dont even start, since i dont have any
idea which they just said, i will not listen to you trying to explain something neither you or i understand.
that reminds me of this forum. Day after day all we hear about is biased dice, dice influence cant be proven,
that is not spelled correctly, or said correctly, or Ahigh is doing what ever it is he does trying to get his
name in lights somewhere.
Never is there anything offered to improve a players ability to play craps.
The best line was your last line..... if some one finds a particular set that gets them preferred results
please share....... i love that liine.....Alan i did that, i have been doing that, and what do i get for
sharing...... A question about dicesitter...
Henry Ford
PS that is not my name, but i figured if you want to ask me about Henry Ford i would have
an easy answer.
May 15th, 2013 at 9:31:46 AM
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Quote: dicesitteror Ahigh is doing what ever it is he does trying to get his name in lights somewhere.
Ahigh
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May 15th, 2013 at 9:40:46 AM
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Quote: cowboyI wonder what the p value of these practice sets is compared to the p value of the data sets Face collected.
If you guys are gonna start talkin' 'bout "p-value" I think you'd better tell me what you mean 'cause the only thing I can think of are those signs in bars "This way to Avenue P". Now when you been drinking beer, those signs sure got value!, but I don't see the relevance to dice.
May 15th, 2013 at 9:44:17 AM
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And when the values come from a practice table, the results are truly meaningless!
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
May 15th, 2013 at 9:48:59 AM
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Quote: DeMangoAnd when the values come from a practice table, the results are truly meaningless!
Is my table what you would consider a "practice table?"
I don't actually practice on it, FWIW. 80% of the rolls I do on that table are for my show and are recorded.
But I think it's a "real casino table" in my home, not a practice table. Just not sure what your definition is of a practice table.
But yeah, I think there are real casino tables out here in Vegas that are easier for me to roll on than my table at home.
Most people are the other way around though. Getting good results at home that don't translate to the casino.
aahigh.com
May 15th, 2013 at 10:17:18 AM
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No Aaron you have a real table. But you know as well as I do, that if you caibrate your toss, at home for certain results, that won't translate to most if not all other Vegas tables. A practice table can be a relic from an older casino, a practice rig, self made craps table or in my case a converted billard table. All good for practicing your grips and tosses. My opinion, next to worthless to practice sets.
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
May 15th, 2013 at 11:45:09 AM
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Quote: FleaStiffIf you guys are gonna start talkin' 'bout "p-value" I think you'd better tell me what you mean 'cause the only thing I can think of are those signs in bars "This way to Avenue P". Now when you been drinking beer, those signs sure got value!, but I don't see the relevance to dice.
See the post at the top of page 3. It actually does imply that something different from expected results were being attained.
July 12th, 2013 at 9:00:09 AM
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I actually like to hear about the Dice setting experiences so is it okay to speak on it on this thread???
I wanted to give a couple of reports for the last two weeks of my play
I wanted to give a couple of reports for the last two weeks of my play
"I'm a DO'er and you my friend, are a Don'ter"
-Mark Walberg
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