Myths About Controlled Shooters, Shooting and the Captain

1. Controlled shooters are small-stakes players. Not so. Plenty of us are black, purple and orange players. The small stakes players often have the absolute concept of money and bets that are worth more than “X” amount will take their minds off what they are doing. To be any good at this, you really have to not think about the amount of money you are betting. Chips are just chips. (This is the opposite advice you’d give a gambler. To a gambler you’d say, “Chips are money!”)

2. Small stakes players always stay small stakes players. No. Many move on up the ladder.

3. There are no professional dice controllers. There are.

4. Controlled shooters can call out their numbers. Not so. On rare, really, really rare occasions one controlled shooter I know has done this --- note the word rare and the “reallys.” One of the Lee brothers could do a kill shot (Lee is a pseudonym). Almost no controlled shooters can do that. (A kill shot lands as if it were glued to the layout.)

5. Controlled shooters do not rely on luck at all. Rely? No. Does it happen to them (for good or ill)? Yes. The longer a roll, the more luck can get involved here or there. You do not make close to perfect releases all the time; dice hit chips or faults in the layout or the back wall in such a way that they become randomized. However, the small edge a dice controller has is not due to luck, but skill.

6. Dice controllers only tend to talk about their good and great rolls. Probably. Human nature here. Still I know of none in my group who do that. They are aware of the ups and downs. Sadly there are plenty of downs with those ups.

7. The Captain is not real. He’s real. If he’s real, why not reveal his name to us? I promised him I would never reveal his name. Where did his 147 roll take place? I promised him I wouldn’t tell anyone where it took place. Why didn’t the casino publicize him and it? They needed his signed permission to do that.

8. Do you fancy yourself the best dice controller ever? No way. The best ever was a woman known as “the Arm.” Hands down the best ever.

9. Is Alan Mendelson right that “dice influencer” is probably the better phrase to describe what you do as opposed to dice controller. He’s probably right. Dice controller just sounds more powerful to me.

10. Is there a question 10? No.

Show me don't tell me.

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FS
7. The Captain is not real. He’s real. If he’s real, why not reveal his name to us? I promised him I would never reveal his name. Where did his 147 roll take place? I promised him I wouldn’t tell anyone where it took place. Why didn’t the casino publicize him and it? They needed his signed permission to do that.

So Frank maybe I'm wrong on this one but I heard he is no longer with us,.. are you telling us that your promise still holds up even after death?

I've played on many tables where there was a great roll last night or even a few days before and the dealers or suits would still be talking about it a week or two later. How come nobody has ever talked about this roll besides you?

I agree with Ahigh show us, I give him credit for trying to show the world that he can do something when he is shooting. Is he influencing the dice when he is shooting, why don't you tell us there Frank your the so-called expert on this, we are just poppies in your mind!

Here is were he is doing some videos that you can look at:

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/29419374

This is some of his Videos on Youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asXNUleKA8c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISv-n2DmvBQ

I'm sure that Ahigh would take some video of you shooting in slow motion so the world could see you shooting!

Superrick,

I have a video, unedited, with my throws. You can check that out.

The Captain has passed away. In fact, with the exception of Satch and me (our wives and some of the wives of the Crew members) those great Crew members are dead.

I promised the Captain I would never reveal his name. The casino where the 147 took place? Probably dealers talked about it for weeks maybe months after it happened.

I don't think of you as a ploppy. That term refers to the truly annoying players we all run in to from time to time.

Frank

? the other questions ? By omission I believe that this means that independently non-biased observation is not in the future.

When I rolled 9 hardways in ten throws, a bunch of people cried "edit."

I put together this whole live broadcast in response.

Now you have a stage put in front of you for free, and you won't answer the question even yes or no?

Go ahead and say no if it's no. But why not at least come up with an excuse like "I would let the Captain show up, but he passed away."

Quote: Ahigh

Show me don't tell me.

I agree. Aaron has offered his home, with a regulation craps table, as a venue for any alleged dice influencer to show their skill. Aaron has permitted the roller to remain anonymous if he wants to, as the presence of the masked man proves. One man has stepped up to the plate, and struck out, albeit in a series too small to make any definitive findings. The 'masked man' stepped up next, and refused to roll, even when his identity was protected by the false visage. There are so many threads floating around here now, that if i missed it, sorry, but..... as I have done for all whose words speak louder than their actions, I will bet that you cannot acheive whatever results you claim to be able to. Tell me what your SRR ratio is, and we can devise a test that will give you the chance to prove yourself, and we can bet on it. Tell me you can acheive a SRR of 1/7, anf then I'll bet you any sum you want that you cannot. We can agree on a reasonable number of rolls that you feel you are able to not be too fatigued. The only rules I require... the dice must be tossed in the air, from what a casino would consider an acceptable spot at the table. Both dice will hit the felt and hit the back wall. The dice have to be 'regular' casino dice. It does not have to be at a casino. If at Aaron's home, you can have all pucks, chips, etc. removed from the table.
I am nothing more than someone who has seen dice rolled, seen how as soon as they land on a table they start their randomization, with a single milimeter change in pitch, speed, angle, whatever... enough to make dice influencing a myth.
A forum member, Nickolay, attempted to show control, and due to bad luck on his part, acheived an SRR of around 1/5! I'd love to see what you, Mr. Scoblette, perhaps the biggest name in dice control, can do. We can make a bet with proceeds to go to a charity, or we can bet dinner, or we can just see what you can do.

And for whatever your motives for joining the forum...... welcome.....

Quote: FrankScoblete

8. Do you fancy yourself the best dice controller ever? No way.
The best ever was a woman known as “the Arm.” Hands down the best ever.

Nice how you state your opinion
as fact.
Stanley Fujitake is the best. hands down the best ever.
Many will disagree with you on this one, way more then who will agree with you

At the Cal in downtown Las Vegas, there are still many that remember him, from players to dealers and pit folks.
I just do not like the 2X odds max, but many love playing there.

The Wall of Fame was because of Stanley.
He used his real name.

Legend of the Golden Arm
http://www.aroundhawaii.com/lifestyle/travel/2008-06-the-man-with-the-golden-arm-part-ii.html

Quote: FrankScoblete

The casino where the 147 took place? Probably dealers talked about it for weeks maybe months after it happened.

The 118 roll hand by Stanley at the Cal is still talked about there. Many remember him and what actually did happen. Video tapes were looked at to verify the results. And that was back in 1989?

That explains when I was in AC many times in 2007 and 2008 No dealer or Box knew of a Captain or the fantastic 147 rolls.
Not one, over many different days and visits.
It faded into the past.
or they were all new people working at ALL the casinos.


I still say with a 99.9% certainty, based on your account of the event, your count of the actual rolls is not correct.
I see this all the time in casinos.
Players thinking they rolled 20 rolls, even moved chips in their racks to count, and their count is an error.
I even test Dealers memory from time to time, because I write down each roll result,
I do not leave that to chips or memory, of course you could be the expert at doing this 100% accuracy all the time.

I get laughed at while tracking the rolls by almost everyone. I could care less.
I have the session now documented to my satisfaction, not leaving it up to a few chips in my rack or my memory alone.

This is reality

They know me as "red belt" at the California Club lately. I have had my share of long rolls at the California in the last few weeks. But nothing over 40 for sure, and I haven't been counting.

But I can roll on those tables just fine.

I like the double odds, actually. It just makes it more challenging to win.

Quote: SOOPOO

Aaron has permitted the roller to remain anonymous if he wants to, as the presence of the masked man proves. ..

Scene cuts a grisly old prospector as he says into the
camera: "Who was that masked man anyway.."

HiYo Silver! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph5-dRuTrDU

Quote:

Ahigh
I get confused by Rick sometimes too. But I think that he dislikes people who write things that aren't true because it reflects poorly on those who actually do work instead of lying.

Ahigh you hit it right on the head, others call me a DI, I know some of the best there is, so I'm on both sides of a fence. On one side you have the guys that write nothing but BS about the game, like the Madprofessor, that nobody has ever seen in a casino. He writes some of the most outrageous claims you will ever read on any of the craps boards Then you have the guys that own these boards that are allowing him to get away with what he is writing. The other thing you have is the writers and guys that sell their schools, that promote them by telling the world they have been banned from the casinos, they write that if you take one of their classes you to can be using the casinos as your own personal ATM's.

They practiced what they preach, they took all there students in the casinos after a class was over with so they could rub it into the casinos, that they were there for just one reason, and that was to take the casinos money, there is nothing wrong with taking the casinos money, that is what we all try to do.

The difference is some players try to do it with there shooting and betting and know when to quit, then you have the guys that are trying to take the money off their students and use that money to finance their trips to the casinos when they have a class. There is a difference is teaching and selling anyway you can. If you need to promote your product by telling the world that you have the best thing out there, and that your students are going to win hundreds of thousand of dollars a year off the casinos, you are doing a great injustice to everybody that plays the game. We now have casino heat, that we never had before they coined the words DI, the tables are so bouncy they can't keep the dice on the tables, therefore costing the casino money, because the dice are on the floor more then they are on the table. The biggest injustice is when the players finds out they were sold a bill of goods that does not hold water, they end up losing money!

So on the one side you have these type of guys doing anything they can to sell what they are doing.
It might only be a ego trip for them , like my good buddy the Madprofessor, unless he works for the casinos!

On the other side of the fence you have the players that have to now put up with all the heat, we now get when we are just getting lucky, even if you are a DI you know that you can win every time you go into a casino. You also know that the casinos never looks at you when you are losing, the only time they see you is when you are winning. They read all these boards and the books that come out on the game of craps. When they are reading just BS it not only kills the players it also kills the casinos, because they are more superstitious then the players. Any more you have a bunch of pencil pushers that don't know a thing about craps, and they believe this BS that some of these guys are writing.

Then you also have the guys that invested all there time into trying to prove either way about dice control or anything else you want to call it, like Ahigh that everybody is calling names, just let him do his thing, he may be right or wrong, but at least he is trying.

So here is my dilemma, I hate to see players lose their money by reading nothing but fiction and at the same time see them take a class that doesn't teach how to bet the game.

There are some schools that are good at what they are doing, so I can't say that I''m against all of these schools. There are guys that I see will get on some good rolls, but face the facts, not every time they go into a casino. These guys don't write fiction about what they do, but are lumped into the mix, of all the fiction that is out there, therefore when they do get lucky and are on a roll the casinos are all over them!

The one question I get a lot is why don't you just forget about it and let the fools believe in what they want to? My answer is always the same, because most of these guys are good guys that don't know they are fools, being led down the Yellow Brick Road and they have wives and children at home that are paying for what they are trying to do, and that is win money off the casinos. The other reason is because every time I get on a roll I'm being harassed by the boxman suits and sometimes even the dealers. Because of all the fiction and BS that is written. It's about time that some of us stand up to the guys that are writing it and put a stop to it!

Quote: EvenBob

"Who was that masked man anyway.."

Love it!

Quote: FrankScoblete

7. The Captain is not real. He’s real. If he’s real, why not reveal his name to us? I promised him I would never reveal his name. Where did his 147 roll take place? I promised him I wouldn’t tell anyone where it took place. Why didn’t the casino publicize him and it? They needed his signed permission to do that.

I have to take exception with #7 because of my years in the news business and my current website that I manage that includes a section on big casino wins.

Even when names are not released, casinos will still publicize big wins and jackpots. Many times the various state lotteries will report their mega wins but will also say that the names are not being released because the winner's requested anonymity.

There might be another explanation, however, and that is this: Up until only a few years ago, the news media really didn't care about casino gambling or stories about the casinos. I would suggest that it was the dramatic rise of online poker, Chris Moneymaker winning the WSOP main event, and the spread of Indian gaming that put "casino news" in the spotlight.

I don't know when the Captain made his big hand, but if it was pre-1995 I doubt anyone in the media would care. Even today if you said to someone who was not a craps player that someone rolled the dice 147 times they probably wouldn't "get it." After all, video poker players play 600 hands per hour, slot players push their buttons even more than video poker players do.

I would also suggest that pre-1995 casinos might not have had a "marketing department" that would even think about publicizing a big table game win. I raised this particular question in a discussion about Harrah's Rincon. Rincon makes a big deal about slot and video poker wins -- heck if you win even $2,000 on a slot machine they'll take your picture, put it on Facebook, put it in a mailer, and put it on a wall in the casino. But table game winners? You never see anything about table game winners.

So a massive run at a craps table easily could have slipped through without a murmur. Anyone see any news about the craps player at Caesars who won $3-million the weekend of March 8th?? Or the player at Caesars that same weekend who threw an "8" no less than 50 times in a hand that lasted an hour and a half?

I'm just curious if Frank would at least reveal the year that the Captain had his run? It might help explain the lack of publicity.

Quote:

Frank S


I have a video, unedited, with my throws. You can check that out.

The Captain has passed away. In fact, with the exception of Satch and me (our wives and some of the wives of the Crew members) those great Crew members are dead.

I promised the Captain I would never reveal his name. The casino where the 147 took place? Probably dealers talked about it for weeks maybe months after it happened.

Okay Frank post that video so everybody can see your shooting, that is somewhere to start!

Now for the captain, let's get real, the guy is dead. I track all my rolls when I'm in a casino and everybody that is on the table. I've heard it said many times when a roll was over with, that was a 60, 70 or even more, when the truth was that it may have only been a 40 roll. Dealers couldn't tell you what was rolled three rolls ago, nor can the other players on the table. It's funny what a few drinks will do to the players on the tables, and you can see this firsthand when a good roll is happening on a table especially on the weekends and at night.

I will give anybody a way out, I don't call people liars, we all get caught up in the heat of battle when we are playing craps and there is a hot roll happening. When someone has a really good hand and the roll count went way up the dealers that know me will always ask what it was, you should see the shocked look on the faces of the guys that thought it was a lot higher or lower.

Most of the time a shooter didn't even know that they just had a fifty roll, yes I see a lot of those type of hand by the so-called random rollers. On Saturday night I had a random roller make 6 points, they were all 4's and 9's. Three of the points were the 4's and the other were the 9's. On his first roll I just walked up to the table and didn't have my tracking book out, because we were not going to play craps, we hit the table on the way out to the parking lot after dinner, all the tables were full and I hadn’t been in that casino because it's a sweat joint. There was a class in town and I went to the dinner to talk with some of the DI's that I knew.

I did buy-in on this game because of this random shooter on his next roll he hit 4 points on the fire bet on a 26 roll, that time I was tracking him! I never got over 9 rolls of the dice when I had them. I only shot three times one was a PSO that cost me my pass-line bet, the other was an eight roll, then the nine roll. The shooter that made the four points to the fire bet was telling me how good my shooting was, and all I could say was yea right, as I seven out!

You can have the best looking shot on the table, but it doesn't mean anything if you are not winning and making your points back.

So Frank were you writing down these rolls when it was happening or could have it got pushed up there in the heat of battle? I know that we got my good buddy the Madprofessor to back track on his SRR of what he was call a 28, when a few of us backed him into a wall on it, we can do the math and most of us have played craps one time before. We get to see all kinds of things happen on the tables but unfortunately we don't get to see the kind of fiction he writes about!

Now as far as you go, I think that most players have a problem with the story on the captain, as I said I've seen you and some of the other guys shooting and I still say that we all get lucky, now some of us may not like that term, but none of us can do it every time we walk into a casino. If we could there would be no craps tables in a casino. The game would be dead. Even after spending thousands of hours of practicing, there are to many other factors that go into having good rolls. I never followed what you wrote on you site, and I never had any of the guys sending me Emails about what you wrote, that was so outrages that the guys would do something like that. We all just have a problem with the captain story!

This is just one of the places I can practice at besides my home, we do take it seriously what we do. Beside all the table time that we get in the casinos!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLzxRsSjI7E&feature=youtu.be

Then you have Ahigh that has got to have the most advanced set up I've ever saw for practicing.
That I keep saying will become a shooter to be reckoned with, does his rolls look controlled, you answer that for yourself, but I know where my money would be if he was hitting those hardways like he does,.. in a casino. By the way he does hit them in the casino too, not just at home on his practice table!

Now just because we have these tables in our homes it still doesn't mean that we will win every time we go to the casinos!

The bouncy tables have nothing to do with dice control. The various new fabrics used can have outstanding colors and are longer lasting --- beauty and cost effective, a good combination if you are the head of the casino/hotel. The decorators of casinos can put these various colors, often vibrant colors, in to match the decor. Dice control has no bearing on the issue.

We do tend to get paranoid about things in craps. People who miss the back wall will be asked to hit it. It doesn't matter if the shooter is a great dice controller, the typical dice setter or just a winger. Part of the procedures of the game is for the shooter to hit the back wall. Yes, some box people will get very uptight about missing it; some won't. Look, you have to hit the back wall. Period.

Now Superrick or anyone else. You aren't being harrassed for no reason. The casinos where you are playing are perfectly aware that dice control works. They are not getting that from books (I am guessing very few casino personnel want to read books about casinos --- I am guessing when they are off work they don't even want to think about casinos). They are getting that from seeing what is in front of their eyes. While there are casino dealers and box people and pit bosses who don't believe in dice control, many others are seeing that it works. No casino person is going to harrass someone they know is a long-term loser (unless the person is a drunk or some such). You aren't going to hear a box person or floorperson say to a random roller, "You know the way you shoot doesn't work" or "You can't beat this game shooting like that," or anything of that sort. They wouldn't say that to a blackjack player playing basic strategy or a roulette player or any other player who is basically a loser. Why alienate good, losing customers? But you will hear them say such things to those whom they fear might be able to change the game in their favor.

I know when I was with Golden Touch and we held a class, we had instructors (20+) come in from all over the country who stayed in the hotels and who got paid a good sum to teach. We gave our seminars in excellent non-casino hotel banquet rooms, three banquet rooms to be exact. We had a Meet and Greet on a Friday evening. We had full lunches on both Saturday and Sunday. You get the picture. Each weekend was like a wedding. In our early days we held our classes in dealer schools --- we didn't charge much for those and the schools were not glorious places to teach. Perfect balance there. Cheap place; cheap price; mediocre turnout.

So what students got for their money was a good school, with great teachers, in a good non-casino hotel, with fine lunches and a student-teacher ratio of 5 students per 2 teachers. The students got what they paid for.

I am not with Golden Touch now. But I am guessing the group will carry on as we used to. I am hoping that anyway but I have no control now. With a money-back guarantee, anyone taking the course had an out if he or she thought what they learned was merely how to get taken as a sucker by scam-creating-monsters --- me? In my 10 years not a single student asked for his or her money back. Wong took the course; Henry Tamburin took the course; John Grochowski took the course; Gus Rose took the course; a bunch of AP blackjack players (who shall remain nameless to protect them) took the course. We weren't hiding under a rock looking to snake-bite the unwary.

Obviously, just about everyone who took a Golden Touch course was a successful individual, a professional, a businessmen, an athlete, a person with a good income or job or the like. I really don't remember anyone slogging in off the street, Timmy's college fund in hand, a home equity loan as collateral, unshaven, unkempt, begging to make a living being a dice controller. Almost every --- and I do mean every --- student did, with practice, get down the ability for a successful roll. Improper betting did some (many actually) of those in. Sad but true. However, many of our doctors (there were classes we had that could have been medical conventions), lawyers, teachers, business men of grand stature, airline pilots took the lessons to heart and are now in the rarified atmosphere of the truly elite players. Many just you-and-me players have also gone on to great success.

I am not quite sure why the anger about writers and teachers and dice controllers in general seems to be at feverish pitch for some posters. I am really not that familiar with all the other "schools" out there. Are they the culprits? I really don't know.

Quote: AlanMendelson

I'm just curious if Frank would at least reveal the year that the Captain had his run? It might help explain the lack of publicity.

Seeing as how the Captain is said to have died, there really can be no harm or other effect for him in releasing his name.

Quote: SanchoPanza

Seeing as how the Captain is said to have died, there really can be no harm or other effect for him in releasing his name.

This seems correct assuming that there ever was a Captain.

Breaking a promise to a dead guy would truly only matter if there were living relatives who stood to lose something from the revelation.

We have a list of casinos where Frank is barred from playing.

I have found it extremely difficult to get barred from playing at any casino.

Especially when you bring four figures or more to the table routinely.

Last week I binged a drunk guy in the head .. on purpose .. with the dice.

The next week, the box man had words for me, but they weren't "you can't play here anymore."

Especially as I was down a couple hundred bucks making a come bet on every roll on crapless craps.

I did end up winning, by the way....

I was a true social pariah the previous week pissing off everybody and they still let me play.

But I don't know, I have never won enough for anybody to worry about little ol' me.

Back to the point, though. You could probably make a few phone calls to find out if Frank is welcome at the casino to play or not.

Maybe it would be news to him that the Bellagio would give him a private table with $100 minimums! I would play with him on said table for sure! I would even street craps him just for kicks at least until he took all my money or I his.

Quote: AlanMendelson

I don't know when the Captain made his big hand, but if it was pre-1995 I doubt anyone in the media would care. Even today if you said to someone who was not a craps player that someone rolled the dice 147 times they probably wouldn't "get it."
I'm just curious if Frank would at least reveal the year that the Captain had his run? It might help explain the lack of publicity.

Over the internet and in books: July 2005,
well after Stanley F's record of 118 was set in May 1989 and before Grandma Pat had her fantastic 154 roll hand in May 2009.
Both these events were well documented and there are many even today that were there and witnessed the events that tell the story.

None from AC.
That was my biggest disappointment when I visited AC in 2007 and 2008.
No one at the Craps tables from all the casinos knew of the so-called captain and the fantastic 147 roll hand.
Made me wonder was everyone now working at the casinos not there in 2005?? maybe

I was even more disappointed in the Borgata Hotel Casino & Spa.
Little did I know what would happen there in May 2009

Big deal. Bigger and better in Nevada.
Ringo Starr was in town, now that was worth the many trips.
Not really seeing Ringo, but the hot ladies that love to see Ringo

Quote: Ahigh

You could probably make a few phone calls to find out if Frank is welcome at the casino to play or not.
.

And pretend you're who, the state gaming board? Cause
they sure ain't gonna admit to anybody else.

I dont think the Captain made his big run in 2005. Did I misread what you wrote?
I think it was way before that.

Frank?

Come to think of it, why are we even discussing the Captain?

The Captain isn't the one who is supposed to teach us how to influence the dice. I don't recall any of Frank's books talking about the Captain having a school or even giving lessons.

Quote: EvenBob

And pretend you're who, the state gaming board? Cause
they sure ain't gonna admit to anybody else.

Like this:

Quote: email-to-bellagio-host

To: psmit@bellagioresort.com <psmit@bellagioresort.com>

Peter,

I don't currently have a host at the Bellagio, but I was wondering if I could set up a date for a private table on craps.

I think I can talk my friend into $100 minimum bets if that is required. He's a bigger gambler than I am. His name is Frank Scoblete and my name is Aaron Hightower.

If it would be possible to set up a private table for us to play on, it might be very entertaining to invite Frank over to play at the Bellagio.

Frank is under the impression that he is not welcome at the Bellagio, and I think that you guys would at least be willing to reconsider the possibility to host his play with me and possibly another person or two who might be interested to watch us play and even join us.

Please let me know if this is something that is possible.

I do understand that Frank's play may no longer be welcome at the casino. And that's not a problem, just let me know if this is something that we could do or not.

--
- Aaron

FWIW I did not send this e-mail, but that's how I would do it.

The reply might be something like this:

Dear Mr. Hightower: We checked with Central Credit and your previous credit history and level of play does not qualify for a reserved table at Bellagio. You are welcome to play at any of our other tables.

Thank you for your inquiry.

Quote: Ahigh

Like this:

FWIW I did not send this e-mail, but that's how I would do it.

Whats in it for a casino to give out private info
about the playing status of other players. They
have nothing to gain and lots to lose. You want
them answering questions about you to whoever
asks?

Well, I'm not sending the e-mail out of respect for Frank. But I would be willing to bet that Frank would even agree we could get him in to play at the Bellagio even if he was banned in the past.

I know people have been turned away in the past. I've been banned from shooting myself, and almost turned away another time, but never because they didn't want to pay me. It's more likely just about short rolls or it's about rules or politics. Not about fear for losing money.

Just my experience anyway.

In general, the bigger the minimum bets, the better, for the casino.

If they won't take him with $100 minimums, I bet they would be willing to take him for $1,000 minimums(!!!)

That's my perspective!

You guys could argue all day long about what might happen. If Frank gives me the green light, I would be willing to bet I could get the green light to bring in my buddy, Frank!

Let's see what Frank says if I can try or not on his behalf.

im not sure of exact odds of rolling 100 times with no 7 but if enough people play craps every day 24/7 its bound to happen thats just variance. I flopped back to back royals playing online poker, now the odds of this im sure are astronomical but if its possible then it can happen.


rolling a 7 happen 1/6 which is 16.667% of the time, so you wont roll a 7 83.333% of the time.

Lets assume a dice controller can avoid a 7 90% of the time

that means that he rolls 50 times 0.5726% of the time or around 1 in 174.63 attempts



just the standard 83.333% you will roll 25 rolls 1 in 95.4
just the standard 83.333% you will roll 50 rolls 1 in 9100
just the standard 83.333% you will roll 100 rolls 1 in 82,818,007

as you can imagine the 100+ rolls are very few and far in between, but again if its possible it can happen.

the difference between the sharpshooter at 90% and the stardard 83.333% at 50 rolls is an incredible gap.

Quote:

Frank S

I am not quite sure why the anger about writers and teachers and dice controllers in general seems to be at feverish pitch for some posters. I am really not that familiar with all the other "schools" out there. Are they the culprits? I really don't know.

Frank there is no anger on my part just trying to get some honest answers to some of the question other DI's have about some of what happened since the craps was put on the market place to sell dice control. I know some of your best shooters that came out of your classes, I'm not writing that there are no such thing as a DI, just that they don't do what some of these fiction writers wants everybody to believe.

I give anybody the benefit of the doubt, I would never walk up to you after you had a bad roll and tell you that you sucked. We have all been there and this is what a lot of readers don't understand. Without smart betting the DI's would be no place, and that is why a lot fall by the wayside.

I think you should be able to understand why we all have a problem with the Captain and what he was suppose to have done. Did the casino make everybody that was there sign something so they wouldn't reveal what happened. Dealers talk, other players talk and things get blown out of proportion all the time.

I heard the story about Dr. Z and a roll that he had in Sam's Town around Christmas a few years back, where all the money that was won, went to the dealers, now I may be wrong on this one but it was suppose to be over a 100 rolls.

I thought it was just a good story and it was BS until one of the dealers said it happened. I was told that they had to use three toke boxes that day and it all came off his roll. They still talk about it around Christmas time! Now with your story nobody ever talks about it unless we are questioning it!

Quote: nezbit

Lets assume a dice controller can avoid a 7 90% of the time

Nope. This is not even realistic.
a 10SRR can not be sustained for even 2000 rolls

Pick an SRR of around 6.1 to 6.3 instead

a 10 SRR over 1k rolls that would be about a
1 in 848,215,735 shot (ain't gonna happen with fair dice)
The math is off the charts for 2k rolls
ev = 333.3
sd = 16.67
a 10 SRR is 200 hits
133.3/16.67 = 8 SDs away from the mean or at least 1 in 400 Billion
for the make-believe shooter
(ain't gonna happen period)

There is no point to compare a rare event to an unrealistic event.
Re-calculate
The concept is a good one

LOL i gave the controller a 6.667% edge as an assumption that he can control the dice. a drunk monkey throws at 83.333%

people win lotteries everyday man, weird shit happens...aka 100+ rolls will happen from time to time

I really wanted to stay out of these threads but I will say this...

1. When I was 18, and before I knew any better, I bought and read one of Scoblete's books. Whatever I paid for it was a small price to pay to never have to read another book by Scoblete.

2. I have played craps with Scoblete and his wife in Atlantic City, and I can tell you with 100 percent certainty, their throws are as random as anyone else's. The only difference between how Scoblete shoots and how I shoot is that I don't slow down the game meticulously setting the dice before sevening-out like everyone else.

3. For a while, I was subscribed to Scoblete's AC blackjack report, which to me, is high comedy. For about 5 years in a row (and probably still to this day), Scoblete mentioned every single month how the Borgata attracts a really young and swingin' crowd. Is the Taj still a great place to practice Golden Touch craps?

Quote: AlanMendelson

Come to think of it, why are we even discussing the Captain?

Yesterday: the Easter Bunny.

Today: (the) April Fool.

Gee MrV I have no dispute with you disagreeing, but would it hurt you to show some respect when you do disagree?

Quote: AlanMendelson

Gee MrV I have no dispute with you disagreeing, but would it hurt you to show some respect when you do disagree?

Respect is something I have seen very little of during my short time here on this forum.

Alan, I am making the point that the exploits of "The Captain of Craps" as narrated by F.S. are as rooted in reality as is the notion that the Easter Bunny hides painted eggs for kiddies.

The first time many years ago that I read about "the Captain of craps" I muttered "Bullsh^t."

Not that Frank would really care.

Like the cheshire cat, he'd smile knowingly and say "Hey, at least you bought the book."

Got me.

He's a big boy: he can take a few body shots.

That's the difference between LA and NY.

Quote: Mikey75

Respect is something I have seen very little of during my short time here on this forum.

This is a pretty respectful forum... There have just been a few feuds recently....

Quote: MrV

Alan, I am making the point that the exploits of "The Captain of Craps" as narrated by F.S. are as rooted in reality as is the notion that the Easter Bunny hides painted eggs for kiddies.

Actually, you are not making any points. You are merely expressing your opinion through insults and ridicule.

MrV you could just as easily say you doubt the "Captain" ever existed and leave it at that.

You cannot flog the great fiction writer enough. He should be tarred, feathered, and ridden off on a rail. But more important is for the casual reader to know, because of this fiction about the Captain, nothing Scoblete writes, about craps, can be fully trusted.

I played at Sam's Town tonight.

Along the way I decided to ask a question.

So I asked, "is there anyone who is barred from playing craps at this casino?"

The box person very quickly said, "no."

I then reiterated, "so there isn't a single person who could walk up to this craps table and be told that their action was not welcome?"

The answer again, and quickly, was "no."

I then went on to say, "I know a guy who says that he is barred from playing craps because he wins too much money. Are you sure there are no players who are not welcome because they win too much?"

They then said, "craps? no. Cards, yes. Actually, there is one guy who counts cards and has been banned from coming back to the casino at all, but not for winning at craps, he's just banned from the entire casino for winning too much at blackjack."

I then asked them, "have you ever heard of Frank Scoblete?"

The boxman then looked puzzled, and asked one of the dealers, "that's not the guy is it?"

The dealer then paused, and said, "I don't think so."

Interestingly enough, neither one of these guys had ever heard of Frank's name or associated it with controlled shooting. I didn't go on to explain who Frank was or what Golden Touch Craps was.

But suffice it to say, if Frank walked into the casino and started playing, these two guys wouldn't know who he was if he brought in a player card with his name on it.

I'll be quizzing the Bellagio about the same. And this isn't to say that Frank is lying. But I'm pretty sure that as a general rule, even if you *have* been banned from a casino, you can still get in and play craps since nobody is generally picking through faces worrying about AP play on the game of craps .. IN GENERAL.

I have only been banned once, and it was for short rolls. Teddy was there. It was comical as I only had $5 bet on the pass. They were just enforcing the rules, really, and not worried about me getting paid. And I was only banned for 24 hours.

I don't think it ever has anything to do with how much you get paid. That's just my take on it.

I have not yet met any pit crew anywhere in Vegas who is afraid of any roll that hits the back wall.

PERIOD.

Quote: FrankScoblete

Superrick,

I have a video, unedited, with my throws. You can check that out.

The Captain has passed away. In fact, with the exception of Satch and me (our wives and some of the wives of the Crew members) those great Crew members are dead.

I promised the Captain I would never reveal his name. The casino where the 147 took place? Probably dealers talked about it for weeks maybe months after it happened.

I don't think of you as a ploppy. That term refers to the truly annoying players we all run in to from time to time.

Frank

Frank, please take this in the most positive way, but seriously .. unless you know someone who has more tools for looking at a controlled throw, I can't imagine how you wouldn't want to come and see my lab.

I got so many comments ridiculing me and my work from this forum, and I can understand that from people who don't believe in this stuff.

But have you ever seen exactly what your shot looks like when it initially hits the felt?

Because when I look at my own shots when the initially hit the felt it is quite revealing!

Here's an example: this is a 2-second exposure shot showing the initial landing and the final resting position in a single exposure.

The initial landing is from a sound-triggered flash, and the final resting position is exposed by means of the dice being still for a half a second or so.



If you were to look at your own shots under this tool that I have created, it would be interesting to see what your shots look like when they initially hit the felt.

IE: how much control can you demonstrate BEFORE the dice start to bounce .. IE: landing position and orientation.

Do you know anyone else who has the tools to do this? Have you seen this before?

Just curious if you are interested .. or not... Most people aren't!

Quote: Ahigh

Just curious if you are interested .. or not... Most people aren't!

Ahigh since you're not reading this, this is for everyone else.

Ahigh's tools and "lab equipment' are excellent for showing what really happens to a "dice influencer's" or "dice controller's" throw. Slow motion video can truly show if dice remain on axis, how they roll or pitch, and if they land, bounce and roll together. These are excellent tools to have to measure the claims of anyone who claims to be able to influence and/or control the dice.

But in Ahigh's own photograph showing the bounce and final landing of the two dice note that at the time of the initial hit or drop the dice appear to be on axis, they are relatively close to each other, and appear to hit the table at about the same time. All well and good.

But look at the final landing position. I think Ahigh wants us to see the hard-6 but that could have been an accident. What is more telling is that the dice have bounced off in different directions, and travelling drastically different lengths from the initial drop or hit point, and certainly the dice are no longer on axis.

Now, I can't call that a controlled shot, even though I am sure any shooter would be happy with the result. The throw might have been controlled but as soon as the dice hit the table all control was lost. Indicative of the speed of the initial shot is the distance that the dice traveled from the initial drop point.

Had there been a better, smoother, lighter throw, the dice should have rolled to the back wall and died there. Such an easy toss with a short roll following the initial impact would have been more indicative of control.

The ends (how the dice land) does not justify the claim of a controlled throw. I know there are some who say as long as the end result is a "good number" the throw is controlled -- but I cannot accept that.

And I would like to ask Frank exactly what kind of "throw" is taught at GTC? Is it a soft throw with a soft roll to the back wall, or do you teach a harder throw where the dice can bounce in different directions and for different lengths following the initial impact?

Frank, it you tell me that a hard throw that bounces off in different directions is what you teach, then I will be very disappointed in what you consider to be "controlled."

Ahigh keep up your show. You know I watch.

Sodawater,

You are an extremely lucky man to have seen my wife play craps and even luckier to see her roll. Yes, she did play craps --- once --- in Atlantic City, and she did roll --- once (I have written about that one single game when she took the dice) --- in Atlantic City. Sometime around 2002. Now you are even luckier than seeing my wife play her one time at craps in AC. Yes, the Captain would have been at that table too. Now we are talking about great luck on your part. Savor it.

For years now I haven't recommended Taj for craps. In fact, it is now one of the worst places to play craps since they colored and redesigned their layouts. The AC Blackjack report is a part of Henry Tamburin's "Blackjack Insider." It isn't my newsletter. As far as blackjack goes, AC is really stagnant. There are some "decent games" but these are almost always in the high roller rooms. Revel has a decent six-deck game near those really long escalators; Borgata's game is now so-so. I wish we would see great changes in AC's games but it just doesn't really happen very much. I can understand your frustration. My reporters feel the same way too.

Frank

Quote: Ahigh

I have only been banned once, and it was for short rolls. Teddy was there. It was comical as I only had $5 bet on the pass. They were just enforcing the rules, really, and not worried about me getting paid. And I was only banned for 24 hours.

It seems that you must have been rolling differently from how you roll in the couple of your broadcasts/videos that I've seen. The rolls in the videos do not seem to be short rolls, as they do appear to roll off the pyramids. Do you have different rolls or styles on different occasions?

The guys at Gold Coast are the ultimate bean counters first off.

Teddy was there and he could tell you about the details of the rolls, but they were not remarkably different from my normal rolls except that randomly only one of two dice came up short.

This type of thing is normally not called out, but it's just Gold Coast.

As a matter of fact, I haven't gone back since this episode and I've been going to all the places that haven't seen me in a long while instead.

Gold Coast decided to give me a hard time and I decided to stop going.

The two things are not unrelated, and I expect they were not being hurt financially by my being present there.

The Gold Coast .. what they really didn't like was that I was looking at paper and setting the dice differently each time before I threw the dice depending on what bets I had.

The more you look like you're just getting lucky (EG: betting on obvious random rollers) the less trouble they give you no matter how many notes you take or consult.

I was testing my new dice sets with hardly any money up there and while it seemed to be working, everybody else except me was getting paid. I was just trying to make a 5 point with no odds, and couldn't. I finally added $6 odds and sevened out shortly thereafter. They banned me AFTER the seven-out came up short(!!!!)

Quote: Ahigh

So I asked, "is there anyone who is barred from playing craps at this casino?"
The box person very quickly said, "no."

Why, he gets asked that all the time and had a ready
answer. He knows the inner workings of his place of
employment that well. Lord knows when I want an
answer to a question at my local grocery store, I ask
the guy who's bagging the groceries, he's sure to
know.

First and foremost, even if some grunt dealing craps
knew what you were talking about, he sure as hell isn't
going to tell you. "Oh sure, Joe Blow, heck, he's banned
from here forever for setting dice and winning too much.
Anything else you want to know while I'm running my
mouth and setting my employer up for a lawsuit?"

Bur you keep asking around if it it makes you feel better.

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I suspect that the boxman would almost certainly know if anyone was barred from shooting craps at his casino.

Heck, there can't be many such undesirables, and odds are their names and photos are known to the casino and its front-line employees.

Whether he would care to share this info with a player at the table, now, that's the question.

Thanks for the classification as "a player at the table." My name is Aaron Hightower. They know me over there (maybe even better than Frank!)

Anyway, this is a general response: people don't get banned from Sam's Town for winning at Craps. People get banned at Sam's Town for winning at BJ.

That's my report, and I'm telling the truth: they claim that there is only one person that wouldn't be welcome at Sam's Town. It might in fact be Frank!

But if it is, it has nothing to do with craps play according to the box there.

The challenge would be to have a witness watch Frank attempt to go in and play craps to see if he got turned away.

This is in response to a claim of all the places where Frank was banned.

Where is that list again? I couldn't find it all of a sudden.

Quote: Ahigh

Where is that list again? I couldn't find it all of a sudden.

I don't see it, either, after a cursory view of recent threads.

I played craps at Sam's Town once, when I did an A&E television show somewhere around 2002. Never went back after that show. I doubt they would bar me in absentia.

Quote: FrankScoblete

I played craps at Sam's Town once, when I did an A&E television show somewhere around 2002. Never went back after that show. I doubt they would bar me in absentia.

Don't sell yourself short; it could be that somebody at Sam's Town saw or even read your book.



If I ran a casino, I'd keep guys like you out of it.

"The best defense is a good offense."

If you really had a good thing, you should have kept it to yourself.