2 tales of the same event - ruined by Biased dice
Quote: HarleyAnyone including the "Great" Frank Scoblete (retired) can become a victim of biased dice and Mother Nature unless they compensate for the imbalance
Frank Scoblete Exposed ...
The following 2 accounts of the same event exposes the car salesmanship of Frank Scoblete and Golden Touch Craps:
From: F. Scoblete <F._Scoblete@astro.webcrossing.com>
Date: Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 7:49 AM
Subject: My EXPLOSIVE Week in Vegas!
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My EXPLOSIVE Week in Vegas!
My trip to Vegas from October 22 to October 29 was a roller coaster of fun, misery and interesting circumstances.
Let’s get the advantage-play over with first. I won…a little. I had been up quite a bit in craps through Sunday, October 25. I shot four times, won on three of those rolls (one a big one) and thought I was in for a great week ahead after the GTC dice control class ended. Dom was hot; so was Stickman and Skinny. It was good. I was good. The Five Horsemen were riding high. It was all good.
Then nasty reality struck.
Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday of October 26, 27 and 28 saw me plummet into craps hell. I took the dice 18 times; won on four rolls, double-pitched as if the dice were satanically calling to me, “Seven out, Scobe, seven out fast and make a fool of yourself!” Oh, I did; I did.
On Monday evening, Dominator had a 39 roll, and then fell flat on two more hands. That was fine as his 39 had been number after number – a typical great Dominator hand. We made money, nice money on that roll. I took the dice three times as well. The first two times, well, “sucked” is too kind a word to describe my shooting.
There was a young man in the proverbial baseball cap standing near the dealer on the end of the left side of the table. He wasn’t betting; he was just watching. I didn’t know him; he wasn’t a student of GTC; just some baseballed capped kid watching the Five Horsemen essentially stink up the craps table. He had not been at the table to see Dom’s 39 roll.
After my second disastrous roll, the capped one said,
Obviously while I didn’t know him; he knew me. I couldn’t believe he just shouted this across the table at me. Also, I had shot two Point/Seven Outs. How the hell could anyone analyze anything on such a short sample? And it’s 2V; not V2.Quote: Harley Misquoted“Hey, Frank, based on an analysis of your dice, I would recommend using the V2 set.”
Now the dealers and box person all knew us and they would cheer when we hit numbers because 1.) we tip and 2.) we are nice guys to deal to and with. They were also surprised that this capped kid shouted his recommendations across the table.
I ignored him.
Not Dominator, he moved back from the table, looked at the kid and said, “What the fuck!” I don’t think the capped kid heard him. Then Dom took the dice and quickly sevened out.
Then the dice went around the table – Skinny, Nick-at-Night, Stickman and me sevening out quickly – then Dominator got the dice. Dom sevened out quickly too. And then it happened.
The capped kid said, “Dom, let me give you some advice about your shooting.” Dom looked at him, his face totally surprised. “I can help you shoot better. I see the flaws in your shot.”
Now, Dom will take advice from shooters he respects; we all will. But who was this capped one to give the Dominator advice? The box person rolled his eyes and looked at me and shook his head as if to say, “This kid is an idiot!”
Dom – his face red and the veins on his head pulsating – shot a devastating hate-look at the capped one and screamed: “Shut the fuck up! If I want your advice I’ll ask for it! Who the fuck are you?”
Dom took his cane and I thought for sure the capped one was about to be anally violated. Thankfully, Stickman stepped between Dom and the capped one who, white as a ghost, ran away from the table as fast as his legs could carry him.
We colored up and went to get some gelato.
Craps was a no-win proposition after that. While some of the Horsemen had good rolls; we just couldn’t get enough of them to get ahead and our short rolls tended to be losers as well (winning short rolls are even more important than those occasional monster rolls).
However, we played our advantage-brand of Pai Gow poker, which allowed us to overcome our overall poor performance at craps.
A small win is better than no win. Plus we got everything for free at the casino so our expenses were nil.
The GTC class weekend was fun as usual. Great new students; great refresher and advanced students. Old friends; new acquaintances; good stuff.
I did have some troubles during the weekend. For the week before and during (and even now as I write this), I have been sick. First it was fever and chills; then aches and fever and chills; then logginess; then diarrhea; then laryngitis. Different symptoms on different days.
Usually I am funny during the “Meet and Greet” but this night was a real struggle trying to emcee the event. It wasn’t that I couldn’t come up with funny lines; it was just I couldn’t say them right. You see, I was about to (ladies, you might not want to read further) have diarrhea – yes, right there on stage. If I used my usual energy, I knew I would explode all over the place since my stomach muscles tighten as I explode with mirth. But I didn’t want to explode with mirth and smelly muck as well! So I had to hold it all back while I tried to finish my introductions and strained funny comments.
I could feel the hideous stuff building up too. It was waiting, bubbling just behind my sphincter longing to come ripping out and embarrassing me forever in the eyes of my students.
When I finished, I leaped off the stage, launched myself into the elevator and made it to my room. I made it…just made it, thank you God…and did what I needed to do in a wild explosion of horror. It was Hiroshima on the toilet.
After the attack, I thought I was okay to go to our GTC instructors’ pizza party, which we always hold after the “Meet and Greet.” I went down to pool side and grabbed some slices. But the inner monster started gurgling again, and again I could feel the buildup of an imminent atomic explosion.
I got up and ran like a lightning bolt to the elevator. But this time I was stalled by the night of the living dead.
Four elderly people were ambling slowly down the hall to the elevator. A fifth one was holding the elevator doors open. The five of them probably had a combined age of a thousand years. All had hearing aids. Two were using walkers. They must have been using the walkers for decades – they were rusty.
I was now in the elevator with the woman who was holding the doors open. I was holding out my pizza plate and holding in my bowels.
“They are very slow,” croaked the woman holding the elevator doors. “You want to eat your pizza, right? Hurry up down there,” she squeaked to her colleagues. “There’s a young man who wants to eat his pizza.”
“Yeah,” I said. I could hardly talk. It was on the edge. Now, the first of the living dead entered the elevator.
“Oh, pizza,” she said. “I love pizza.”
After seven-hundred fifty years the other three made it to the elevator.
“What floor are we on?” asked the only man, a mummy with a hearing aid as big as his head.
“I don’t know,” said one of the women. My God, I thought, there are only three floors in the whole damn hotel! They weren’t on the first obviously, which is where we were in the stinking elevator, so there were only two floors left!
“Why don’t we just press the other two buttons and you can figure it out as we go up,” I strained.
“Good idea, young man, good idea,” said mummy-man. And up we went.
I was on the second floor and I rushed out of the elevator. “My, my,” said one of the women. “You must really want to eat that pizza!”
I made it to the bathroom and in a Nagasaki-like explosion, I finished my horrible “Meet and Greet and Gush” evening.
Tuesday evening, I was in the high-roller-room bathroom, standing over the bowl happily peeing. These bathrooms are single toilet ones. No urinal; just a toilet; all very elegant in amenities but one person at a time.
A woman walked in. There I was with Godzilla in my hands (Godzilla is the name of my you-know-what) spewing his fiery essence into the bowl. (Sometimes I call Godzilla Goliath.)
“What are you doing in here?” she yelled.
Godzilla stopped in mid-flow…and shrunk to the size of a raisin.
“This is the men’s room,” I said, trying to hide my pin-sized mini-monster.
“You should have locked the door!” she screamed at me, and stormed out of the bathroom.
Oh, there’s more…but I have to get back to working on my third book for Triumph Books now.
It was a fun but a sometimes tough week this trip. But I did make it home with a win. And that’s what counts.
I get a call from a local GTCer mentioning that the GTC gang leaders Frank Scoblete and the Dominator (Dominic Loriggio - ‘The Dominator’ ) would be shooting over at Bellagio ..... watching them shoot was fun and frightful at the same time as they each lost $$ as they ended with more PSOs than rolls over 10 ... so bad that even the "Captain's 5 Count" wasn't paying off as Frank S. had to throw in $300. to pay off his marker .......
I had been mentally (no pad and pen) charting the Bellagio tables with a couple of other players when we noticed that the GTC gang of 5 had taken an empty table on the back row so we moved over to their table and bought in before they even started to toss ..... each GTCer was either using the hardways or V3 and each was coming up with the same result => short rolls with a 5-2 or 6-1 Seven-out
the 3 GTC instructors were at SL1
......... Frank S. tossed 1st using the V3, but quickly Sevened-Out with a 5-2 ......... these dice were so biased to the 5 & 6 that it was almost impossible to keep both 3s on axis (on the night I only saw Frank S. make 1 point as each of his rolls were very short)
next at SL2 was the tall lanky GTC instuctor Jim Stickman ("Stickman" according to the GTC website: "Tall and lean, relaxed and contained, the Stickman has a gentle touch and strong concentration. He is a master of visualization and in the use of the "hardway" dice set.") .... he set the Hardways and had another short roll of about 4 ...... no world famous GTC instructor was being able to bet on the other GTC instructors since they were all doing a 5 count on
each other ... their lousy shooting with the terribly Biased dice was validating the Captain's "5 count" strategy
The dice then came to Dominator at SL3ish (according to the GTC website) :
Quote:"The nickname for one of the greatest and most fiery dice-controllers of all time; Dominator plays several days a week in the casinos around the country. Graduated with degrees in both biology and math, Dominator knows his way around the numbers and around a craps table."
as GTC instructors Frank S. and Jim "Stickman" scooted back out of his way to allow him closer to the Stick, Dom set the V2 & took advantage of these "Outside" Biased dice to near perfection as he starting banging out 4s and 10s mixed in with a few 6-2 Eights ...... the
Dominator hobbled his way on his broken foot to 3 Points and a 20+ roll (22 according to my charting, not 39 as Frank embellished on his website)
I continued mentally charting the dice and watching Frank S and the rest of the GTC gang leaders have short rolls until I tongue-in-cheek, but seriously mentioned to Frank Scoblete before his next roll:
Quote: Harley"Frank - based on the way your dice are reacting on this table this evening, you may want to consider using a V2"
Frank did not respond, but the Dominator let out a loud burst in disgust: "OH JESUS CHRIST !!"
...... I had to chuckle a little as I knew I had just given a little Biased dice and shooting advice to the world's # 1 best selling craps author and even though they did not say it out loud, I could hear Frank S. and the Dom loudly thinking "Who the Hell is this guy giving us advise -- does he know who we are!!"
I just smiled as the dice came to Frank S ... he set the All-7s set with the 3/4 up instead of a 6/1 up and 5/2 facing on a 4/3 axis to take advantage of the biased dice ....... his 1st toss was a 6, then he bets $60 each on the 6 & 8 and sets the V3 as he glances over towards me
....... Frank S. then proceeds to toss a perfect 5-2 PSO
GTC instructor Jim Stickman passes the dice after several short rolls as he has had
enough trying to toss ........ so Dom hobbles up to the table from his chair ....... at this point, the Dominator is determined to show me that the V2 is not the right set to use as I had suggested to Frank S. so he sets the V3 even though he had been doing well (well, better than
anyone else on the table) with the V2 ..... he was determined to show me I was wrong.
Frank S. cheers out loud:
"Come on Dom !!"
Quick result was a PSO - 6-1 Seven-Out using the V3 ...... at this
point I just shook my head and said:
Quote: Harley"I am just saying guys .... "
Dom quickly snaps back at me "I don't need any FVCKING advise from you !!" as he grabbed his walking cane .........
Frank S. and the rest of the GTC instructors then colored up as each reached into their pockets to grab numerous Ben Franklins to pay off their markers.
..... even the "best" are still in denial ........
I am looking forward to figuring out how to record my rolls without negatively affecting my shot. I want to get real data from the casinos out there, and I am looking forward to being able to provide real casino data soon. Stories like this help me understand what the Wizard is saying about people not providing information to back up their claims.
I always try to post up names and information of people who were working at the time and who witnessed what I did when I do reports.
But if would be awesome to start providing all of my roll data .. I hope to do that soon, but I am still working on some of the details of how to collect the data.
I have never met Dom or Frank. It is also a point of curiosity why so few people who believe in and/or teach dice control have no interest in the work that I am doing.
Quote: AhighI am looking forward to figuring out how to record my rolls without negatively affecting my shot. I want to get real data from the casinos out there, and I am looking forward to being able to provide real casino data soon.
Get a partner to play with...
If I would have had a partner to play with on my 104-roll hand...I would have made a KILLING...but instead I had to count my own rolls and focus on shooting; rather than betting.
Quote: TheWolf713... Honestly if I see 4 or more DIs at a table I'll go to another table... Don't get me wrong if they hit, it's good, but when they don't (and this happens more than the other) it's nothing but excuses and bad vibes....
AMEN TheWolf713 !! .... from my experience, 3.43 DIs at a table is the tipping point for investments to go south ... don't know why, it's just my experience .... it's kinda parallel to the phenomena that occurred when Nolan Ryan pitched, the average run support seemed to disappear
Quote: TheWolf713... Never trust a guy who gives advice, and can't take any ....
AMEN !!
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Quote: HarleyNow is my accounting of the SAME evening that can be verified by 2 other witnesses:
I get a call from a local GTCer mentioning that the GTC gang leaders Frank Scoblete and the Dominator (Dominic Loriggio - ‘The Dominator’ ) would be shooting over at Bellagio ..... watching them shoot was fun and frightful at the same time as they each lost $$ as they ended with more PSOs than rolls over 10 ... so bad that even the "Captain's 5 Count" wasn't paying off as Frank S. had to throw in $300. to pay off his marker .......
I had been mentally (no pad and pen) charting the Bellagio tables with a couple of other players when we noticed that the GTC gang of 5 had taken an empty table on the back row so we moved over to their table and bought in before they even started to toss ..... each GTCer was either using the hardways or V3 and each was coming up with the same result => short rolls with a 5-2 or 6-1 Seven-out
the 3 GTC instructors were at SL1
......... Frank S. tossed 1st using the V3, but quickly Sevened-Out with a 5-2 ......... these dice were so biased to the 5 & 6 that it was almost impossible to keep both 3s on axis (on the night I only saw Frank S. make 1 point as each of his rolls were very short)
next at SL2 was the tall lanky GTC instuctor Jim Stickman ("Stickman" according to the GTC website: "Tall and lean, relaxed and contained, the Stickman has a gentle touch and strong concentration. He is a master of visualization and in the use of the "hardway" dice set.") .... he set the Hardways and had another short roll of about 4 ...... no world famous GTC instructor was being able to bet on the other GTC instructors since they were all doing a 5 count on
each other ... their lousy shooting with the terribly Biased dice was validating the Captain's "5 count" strategy
The dice then came to Dominator at SL3ish (according to the GTC website) :
as GTC instructors Frank S. and Jim "Stickman" scooted back out of his way to allow him closer to the Stick, Dom set the V2 & took advantage of these "Outside" Biased dice to near perfection as he starting banging out 4s and 10s mixed in with a few 6-2 Eights ...... the
Dominator hobbled his way on his broken foot to 3 Points and a 20+ roll (22 according to my charting, not 39 as Frank embellished on his website)
I continued mentally charting the dice and watching Frank S and the rest of the GTC gang leaders have short rolls until I tongue-in-cheek, but seriously mentioned to Frank Scoblete before his next roll:
Quote: Harley
"Frank - based on the way your dice are reacting on this table this evening, you may want to consider using a V2"
Frank did not respond, but the Dominator let out a loud burst in disgust: "OH JESUS CHRIST !!"
...... I had to chuckle a little as I knew I had just given a little Biased dice and shooting advice to the world's # 1 best selling craps author and even though they did not say it out loud, I could hear Frank S. and the Dom loudly thinking "Who the Hell is this guy giving us advise -- does he know who we are!!"
I just smiled as the dice came to Frank S ... he set the All-7s set with the 3/4 up instead of a 6/1 up and 5/2 facing on a 4/3 axis to take advantage of the biased dice ....... his 1st toss was a 6, then he bets $60 each on the 6 & 8 and sets the V3 as he glances over towards me
....... Frank S. then proceeds to toss a perfect 5-2 PSO
GTC instructor Jim Stickman passes the dice after several short rolls as he has had
enough trying to toss ........ so Dom hobbles up to the table from his chair ....... at this point, the Dominator is determined to show me that the V2 is not the right set to use as I had suggested to Frank S. so he sets the V3 even though he had been doing well (well, better than
anyone else on the table) with the V2 ..... he was determined to show me I was wrong.
Frank S. cheers out loud:
"Come on Dom !!"
Quick result was a PSO - 6-1 Seven-Out using the V3 ...... at this
point I just shook my head and said:
Quote: Harley "I am just saying guys .... "
Dom quickly snaps back at me "I don't need any FVCKING advise from you !!" as he grabbed his walking cane .........
Frank S. and the rest of the GTC instructors then colored up as each reached into their pockets to grab numerous Ben Franklins to pay off their markers.
..... even the "best" are still in denial ........
This thread is HILARIOUS! Does FrankScoblete have his new book categorized under FICTION or COMEDY?
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DeMango
And it is amazing how many suck ups there are here that fall for his garbage.
Well DeMango it's the same thing on every board that he can post on, did I say post on? The word I got was there was at least one board that said, gee FS thank for wanting to post, but no thanks, we don't need you here. Now on his defense, I've been told the same thing on a few boards.
Craps players that think of themselves as DI's need hero's to justify the money they are losing when playing craps. All you have to do is read between the line when posts are made about the great rolls that these guys have and ask why they always happen when there is nobody around to witness the rolls.
For some odd reason when you have a class in town and you happen to run into these guys on the tables, their trip reports don't match up to what you really seen happen!
Any time you read a trip report you should put a time line to the report, then see if anybody else wrote about what they claim to have happened.
Nobody wants to be known as a loser, so when you read some of these trip reports or claims to fame, think about what you are reading, some of the stuff is so outrages it's a miracle that anybody believes it.
Most players just don't play the game enough to realize that they are reading fiction, or they refuse to even question what these guys write, because they need that hero, hoping that one day they can do what these guys wrote about.
Writers on the game of craps need good stories to sell what they are selling, it's their job to sell their books,..right? Do you think they would be selling their books if all they wrote about was that they were losers?
The next time you read one of these books, please tell everybody just one thing that is in any of these books that is not just rehash betting strategies, which you haven't already read before. You could copy just about any book and change a few things in it and you would have something that everybody would buy if you hyped it up enough.
Someone just sent me a trip report on a class that was just in town and after reading all the post I was wondering if these guys were all on the same table that they wrote about, you had one guy saying how they won money then you had one saying they all should have been playing the don't. One say the table they were playing on was rock hard and the next guy said it was bouncy. You had one poster asking if they were all playing on the same table, I guess that poster was the only one that could read between the lines!
I guess that it's easier to sell BS then it is to sell the truth, you do have a lot of guys that just love to read fiction, so these guys can get away with anything.
Sure there are going to be some good rolls when some of these guys are at the tables sometimes, but don't the so-called random rolls have some good rolls sometimes too?
Now here is my disclaimer on trip reports, there all a lot of guys that write very factually trip reports on the different craps boards, they write when they lost money and what they think happened, with their shooting and betting!
The one guy that always comes to mind is a poster that is called clubsodakenny on one of the DI boards. I could name others that I know post what really happened to them when they came into Vegas, but would just be wasting everybodys time.
Most craps players, play craps for entertainment and when they are reading some of these post or books that is what they are getting!
Just as examples, I wrote about my 72 turns with the dice at Horseshoe in Tunica --- 72 losing turns --- in a row. The tables I played at were full of students and others who knew me and I went down in flames. I could see the students were looking at me with the looking equivalent of the tone of your post, "This guy is supposed to be some kind of big shot? He stinks." Of course, they never saw how beautiful my shot looked (just being cute here); they only saw me striking out time after time.
I wrote about the 22 losses in a row in blackjack at Fitzgeralds in Tunica. At the table for that disaster was Henry Tamburin and Dominator. I wrote about losing my entire bankroll for gambling at Claridge in Atlantic City and how sweat literally dropped off my nose onto the layout. There were no witnesses to this event, just me and my sweat. I wrote about losing 12K in one hour at Treasure Island in Vegas and how I went to my room with the desire to curl up in the fetal position and suck my thumb.
I am not responsible if others exaggerate their trip reports or if you are simply claiming based on supposition that others are exaggerating their trip reports. Certainly the reports that I have written in my 25 years show the good with the bad and the bad with the good.
I do wonder why folks believe some clever constructions by critics that just aren't true. One fellow wrote that in all my books I use a theory of three (or some such coinage) where I lose twice and then on the third encounter I win and demolish the casino. This theory of three sounded so well researched I even wondered if I had fallen into some kind of silly pattern in my writing. I went back over my articles and books. There was no "theory of three" being played out. I had trips where I went home a defeated, saddened sack. If anyone reads my books they soon discover that I do cover the fact that you can lose and lose and lose --- that losing is in the cards and the dice for everyone.
If there are witnesses to the wins (wins seem to need the witnesses, not the losses because everyone will take a loser's word on his losses) I put the witnesses in the report. When one of my students, a Vegas blackjack card counter of some note, played with the Captain in AC I actually put down his real handle that he was known by in the blackjack world.
At one of my tournaments I even brought in a picture of the Captain with the entire Crew (minus me). I just put a black box over his face because I promised him I would not reveal his identity. But I also put which of the Crew members I had written about under their faces; for example Jimmy P., Little Vic, John the Analyzer and so forth. I'd say two to three hundred people saw this picture. Yet those who have never spoken to me or know me will insist that the Captain is made up or an exaggeration used by me to sell books. The Captain is real; everything I have written about him is true. [No, I am not posting this picture. However, if I do another tournament I might just show it again.]
Obviously, I enjoy writing about my victories because they are hard won victories. And obviously I do want to see my books continue to sell well. These are not faults of personality; they are merely normality.
Come on, cough up the proof, and thus end the speculation, the innuendo, the mistrust.
The issue is not WHO he was, it is WHAT he accomplished at the craps table.
Quote:FS
Superrick, I hope you don't mean me when you say how all my reports are about my great wins. I have written about staggering losses.
Frank, what I wrote was a generalization of the trip reports that you see on the different DI boards and yes some times even in the books on craps. I’ve played on the same tables with you before; no I didn’t introduce myself to you! I’ve seen you have some good rolls and yes some bad ones too. I would bet on you just like I bet on anybody else, using the same kind of betting that I would use on a random roller!
You are never going to prove that “The Captain” had the roll that you wrote about, most craps players that play all the time would have a hard time believing your story, for very obvious reasons. Nobody but you ever reported anything about it!
Just like when you broke your little story, there were plenty of guys on the craps boards, which would have written something about it too! That didn’t happen, craps player that are DI’s have a way of running their mouths about rolls that happened, I’ll leave it at that,.. as the way I see it everybody is just wasting time trying to get you to prove it did happen.
We all have our new hero, “Pat DeMauro” with her 154 roll that was proven; they have the video of her roll! To bad she was just one of those so-called random rollers that the great writers about becoming a DI love to point out that you should never bet on them!
While I have never found where you make outrages claims to fame, as some of our other great fiction writers do, you get thrown into the mix because of the story of the Captain.
I get to play craps with one of your old instructors every time he is in town “Howard “Rock n’ Roller” so I know first hand what went on with some of the stuff that was posted.
I know that he never met the Captain either, but said many times over that the rolls you read about posted for your The 50 Plus Club happened. I’ve also played craps with a bunch of the guys that are posted for having those rolls!
But before we all get big heads about having a fifty roll I see the same type of rolls all the time coming from the so-called random rollers, the only difference is they don’t make a big deal out of it. Just to take it one step farther , I’ve even seen those kind of rolls on the Pop Corn Craps Machines! Yes,... sad as it must be to some of the shooters that had those rolls, even a machine beat them,.. that is so random it’s not funny.
There for a while one of the greatest fiction writers on the game of craps was even writing that there was a team of AP Pop Corn playing craps players that were traveling around playing Pop Corn Craps. This same guy that nobody has ever seen playing craps has written some of the most outrages claims to fame that anybody has ever written, like his claim of having a SRR of 28! He had to backpedal his way out of that one after defending that claim for years, when we keep pushing the issue, that it was just one more of his ridiculous claims that he has made over the years.
This guy is allowed to write his great fiction only for one reason and that is to sell the schools and other crap, that he says he is not involved in! The stupid DI’s that never question what he writes are the ones that are paying the biggest price, when they go to the craps tables. They are the ones that keep getting heat when playing craps, because this guy is such a good fiction writer, that even the casinos believe what he writes is true, man can he write some BS!
Here is a case in point,.. that just happened, there was a class in town, when someone sent me the trip report, it was like all these DI’s were playing on a different table, but they all were writing about the same one.
I found it quite funny, that one of the guys that gave the class had a different view of what happened on the table and even went out of his way to write about what some of the guys call basis dice, that we prefer to just call bad dice or cheap dice that all the casinos are now using.
He claim that the guy standing next to him was bending his ear about the dice that were on the table and he hung around with the guys that believed that the casinos are using these bad dice on the tables. Now he had my interest, because he wrote that this guy was losing so much money and he was making fun of him.
He also wrote that this guy had taking a class from him and the other guy that put on this class.
So I made a few phone calls to see who this mystery man might have been. I was quite shocked when I got my answer; it turned out to be someone that dropped off the boards years ago because of all the BS that is written. I had to make a phone call to see if he just so happened to be anywhere around that table the morning the trip report was written about, as that is one of the casinos he plays in all the time.
The poster wrote something like this: that he was very fortunate, that none of these guys pals were around. Also if this guy had the secret to beating those bad dice - why did he keep running out of chips and he was just curious to why he was losing!
Well there was a very simple explanation, he was betting on all the so-called DI’s that was at the table. Some of them quite famous in their own minds!
Now for the good part, the one guy that put on the class wrote that there were no 9's rolled for 60 rolls of the dice. The total number of rolls for the group was 113 rolls, and that there should have been 19,.. 7’s rolled, there were 28 sevens! He also wrote that it was another lay betting opportunity.
I don't know about you but I think the guy this poster was writing about had the right idea when he got off the table and left all the loser DI's on that table.
There is nothing you can do if the dice are not in your hands, if everybody is losing on a table, knowing that the casino is using bad cheap dice does you no good if you stay there thinking that all these so-called DI's are going to get on a roll.
If these DI's are so smart why didn't they lay the 9, could it be that they don't believe what the dice are telling them!
I'm always caught between all the guys that I know that are DI's like “Howard “Rock n’ Roller” and all the fiction that is written about the DI's . I know that when I go to the tables with some of these guys I stand a good chance of winning on one of their rolls, but I treat everyone the same way, just like they are a so-called random roller. I'm always writing that there are some good schools that teach shooting and betting the game of craps, then there are some that allow all the BS on their board just to sell what they are selling.
There is no reason to embellish what happens on the craps tables, good rolls happen to the players that play craps all the time. This past month when “Howard “Rock n’ Roller” was in town he hit five fire bets for five points and had a 53, 51, and a 45 roll. Now with that said he also was playing everyday, for just about the whole month. He still teaches for Little Joe and also for himself in Fla. He reminded me that there were plenty PSO's and short rolls when he was shooting, just like anybody else would have. Those big rolls he had happened over weeks of shooting, not back to back. I tell the guys if you have a big roll you should color up and leave, if a bunch of players came to the table.
Smart betting is what keeps DI's like him in the game until a really good rolls comes along, I always say that DI's are getting lucky when these big rolls happen, because most of the time they happen when you only have a few players on the table, nobody is screaming out on every roll of the dice, therefore calling in all of the fleas that hang around the craps tables looking for a good roll.
The more players you have on a table the less likely you will see those kind of rolls, because every time the shooter makes a point it takes forever to get the dice back to the shooter!
So the bottom line on this post is I'm not picking on you Frank, just pointing out that what most guys are reading by some of these guys is nothing but fiction and that we all have a hard time believing your story on the Captain, for the very simple reason,...nobody else has ever came forward to back up your story, unlike the rolls in your The 50 Plus Club!
Why do you no longer talk to former friends and business partners like Howard, Dom and Dice Coach?
Quote: Golden Touch™ CRAPS... amazing results at the craps table. See the best results we've witnessed at craps tables around the world below.
All records witnessed by GTC instructors or students or players affiliated with GTC. No shooter reports his/her own rolls and no shooter-witnessed-only rolls are counted.
Why do you hold the rest of the world to a double high standard whereas they MUST have witnesses even on your website, yet your writings have hardly any verifiable proof or witnesses - especially when it comes to the Captain?
http://www.goldentouchcraps.com/worldrecords.php4
Quote: DeMangoDing! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!! Another question this *** won't answer.
DeMango, you can make your argument without the asterisked insult.
If I met Dice Coach I would gladly talk to him. By the way, Dice Coach and I were never in business together. I think you are getting your information in a distorted fashion about me. Or it is illusory based on a bad opinion you have about me. Someone (maybe Superrick) talks about fiction writers telling tales of their greatness (I think another post put that to rest about me) but the real fictions are the ones created about me. Someone comes up with an idea that "he" (meaning me) must be doing this ("the Captain is not real") and then someone else parrots that and suddenly a massive fiction is created that has nothing to do with the truth --- which has nothing to do with anything. On rare occasions (such as this), I'll answer and try to say, "here is what is really going on" or "here is what happened" but the true fiction writers prefer to see me as the human equivalent of Jaws and it is their job to kill or at least hurt Jaws.
What makes you think my writings have no witnesses? Just go out and buy all my books (please!); read all the chapters that have people in them (such as Howard) and then ask those people did I nail the incidents down correctly? Did I nail the dialogue correctly?
Now to the Captain. Yes, I realize that this 147 roll event seems to get people heated. Yes, they think the casino would publicize it whether the Captain wanted it publicized or not. However, if you take the time to see my accuracy with my book chapters (an accuracy I am sure Howard already informed you of) why would you say that while I am accurate in those accounts, the accounts of the Captain (especially his huge roll) are fictitious? Why take all those things that point this way but take one thing and say despite all the things that point this way THAT thing must point another way? I would think the safe bet would be to take the person who has been accurate in the past and bet he is being accurate with this other thing. Well, that's how I would bet.
I doubt you think the Captain is fake. Satch, a Crew member, is still around; so is his wife; my wife and several students who met him. The children of Crew members are still around. Even some of the casino folks who were friends with him are still around and some of them were pretty big names. The Captain did not exist in a vacuum and did not play in a vacuum. I did show a picture of the Captain (his face blacked out) and the Crew at a tournament I hosted.
Anyway, I am an easy target, especially when fictions are written about me by people who never met me, don't know me, but think it is their responsibility to enlighten the world about everything they have no knowedge about.
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I think the best analogy would be a cult. Think of GTC as a Scientology Church. There is but one way. Your way or the highway. Out of line and you get shunned, records get taken down, expunged and expelled from the group. You make L Ron Hubbard proud! So if we haven't met, I have met those who have, who have been expelled and listen to their tales. There are also other boards where those ex members have vented. There is a big difference between the existence of The Captain and that roll which we know didn't happen. But hey you are a good fiction writer, we will give you that!
If you live in Fla. You definitely know the Scientology Church, because they just about took over Clearwater Fla, and you get to read about how they will excommunicate anybody that wakes up and starts thinking for themselves.
I know way back when “Howard “Rock n’ Roller” wanted to teach shooting from straight out he was told “No Way” they only taught shooting from the stick positions, that shooting from there,.. was to far away from the back wall. If you have ever been on the table with Howard you would know why he wanted to teach from there, he has one hell of a shot from that position.
The same type of things happen on all the DI boards, that only cater to the DI’s, if you post something that their board members don’t like they will start a smear campaign to run you off their board. The latest case that comes to mind, is the one with Dicenator over on the DiceInstitute, were because he was writing detail trip reports about his trips, they raised so much hell with him, who would ever blame him for never posting there again. Yet their fantastic fiction writer can get away with making some of the most outrages claim anybody has ever read!
If you are on one of these DI boards and go against what they are writing, you will soon find yourself an outcast; don’t ever question some of the great fiction that is written on these boards if you want to continue writing posts, on their boards!
I’ve seen so many really good players run off these boards because they asked very simple questions, that made a lot of sense. They were not buying into what these guys were writing, and they shouldn’t have been, with all the BS that is written!
When these guys go to a different board it’s hard to get them to post anything, because of the way they have been treated in the past on the different DI boards! Some of the best DI’s that I know will not post anything on the different DI boards anymore, because of all the BS that is posted.
If anybody had some balls they would start questioning the $204 across bet that is pushed so hard it’s not even funny. Talk about a good way of losing your bankroll really fast. Playing craps is about having the bankroll for when the good rolls come along, you can’t do that if you have a few short rolls making a stupid bet like the $204 across!
Most craps players are small time players, with small buy-ins. Greed is what kills most players and thinking that they are great shooters if they are one of the so-called DI’s. A $204 across bet working on the come-out is so stupid unless you have a $10,000 bankroll or more. Small bankrolls will never survive, unless you get lucky.
Don’t they preach that you need skill if you’re a DI? I don’t think I ever heard them say , look you need luck every time you bet this $204 across bet!
There is one thing that we all get to see in Vegas and that is that these so-called DI’s will hit the same casinos all the time they travel in large groups. There are very easy to pick out on the tables if you know which casinos they all play at.
There is nothing like playing on a table when they all walk up together, when some of them are trying to make like they don’t know anything about the game, therefore stopping the roll every time they place a bet!
When I see them come to the tables it’s time to run for the hills, or just stand there in amazement as to what is happening on the table. Now of course if you would pull one or two of these guys away from the group, you would be a lot better off, you may even win some money then.
Quote:FrankScoblete, speaking of Howard Rock N Roller, why are all of his records deleted from your website? Even if you disagree with him for some personal reasons, just like your personal disagreements with Dom, why erase all his tossing records? Was Howard on Steroids?
Now that is a great question, I didn’t take notice that all of “Howard Rock N Roller’s” records were deleted when I made my post!
When looking back at these records, isn’t it funny that on December 2004, Las Vegas, Frank Scoblete, had a 89 roll, putting him just about on top of everybody else?
Maybe one of those rolls that was deleted was by “Howard Rock N Roller” now we will never know, unless I ask “Howard Rock N Roller” if he had a 90 roll!
Going back over those records the one thing I did notice was that Frank had some bad years where he didn’t even have a 50 , like in 2005, 2009, 2011, 2012 and 2013
Here is a list of some of the rolls that are posted on the board I help run! We kind of gotten away from posting good rolls, because we have guys like Dicenator out of AC that has so many of them in the 40’s that it would be hard on the guys if the casinos ever found out who they really are.
154 Rolls: Patricia Demauro Atlantic City 5/23/09 This is the roll we need to beat, and when someones does break I hope that I am on the table to see it happen!
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154 rolls - Patricia Demauro - Atlantic City, May, 2009
84 rolls - Howard "Rock 'n Roller" - Tunica, July, 2008
74 rolls - Howard "Rock 'n Roller" - Tunica, February, 2005
73 rolls - Pistol Pete - Mississippi, May, 2009
73 rolls - Carla Edwards - Las Vegas Fremont, April, 2009
69 Rolls - Koi - Las Vegas- Fremont Casino, May, 2010
67 Rolls - Don B - Joker Wild Henderson September 24, 2010
64 Rolls - Vegas Princess - Las- Vegas Downtown, June, 2009
64 Rolls - Super Rick - Las Vegas Outer Limits, April, 2009
60 rolls - Baitman - Mississippi, June, 2009
60 rolls - Pistol Pete - Mississippi, July, 2007
60 rolls - Dave DaPorker - Las Vegas, January, 2009
58 Rolls - LuckyRiver - Las Vegas Strip, June, 2008
57 Rolls - Super Rick - Las Vegas Downtown, February, 2009
55 Rolls - Scribe - Las Vegas Off the Strip March 26, 2012
54 Rolls - redneckroller - Cripple Creek Co. Aug ,2009
54 Rolls - LuckyRiver - Louisiana, June, 2009
53 Rolls - LuckyRiver - Las Vegas Strip, October, 2008
52 rolls - Steve Nelli - Atlantic City, November, 2005
50 Rolls - Super Rick - Las Vegas Boulder Highway, July, 2008
50 rolls - HarleyHorn - Las Vegas Downtown, November, 2003
50 rolls - D. DaPorker - Las Vegas, July, 2008
49 Rolls - LuckyRiver - Las Vegas Strip, April, 2009
48 Rolls - Dicenator - Atlantic City, April, 2009
48 Rolls - Super Rick - Las Vegas Outer Limits, August, 2008
47 Rolls - Koi - Las Vegas Boulder Highway, August, 2008
46 Rolls - Dicenator Trump Marina in Atlantic City Oct, 2009
45 Rolls - Quarters - Las Vegas Strip, June, 2008
I stopped posting my rolls back in 2009, what difference does it make, I can’t do those kind of rolls every time go into a casino, I wish I could! We are just giving the casinos something to base all the heat they give shooters when they read about these rolls. They forget that the so-called random rollers have the same type of rolls all the time too!
The difference is nobody has a club for the random rollers to write up their rolls! I see fifty rolls by the so-called random rollers a damn lot! Its bond to happen, they out number the so-called DI’s tens of thousands to one!
There is a lot to learn, if we could get Frank to piss off one of his old instructors to the point were they would tell the real story, about the Captain. Gee maybe the next time “Howard Rock N Roller” is in town we can start feeding him some drinks, to get the real story out of him, I think he’s do back in town in two weeks!
Quote: FrankScobleteWhat is the $205 across strategy?
I did a ton of analysis on this strategy. The short answer for 204 across is that it's very similar to the iron cross except that there is no pay for 2, 3, 11, and 12.
The iron cross requires a 1.11% edge per roll to place the 5, and a 2.78% edge per roll in the field to get paid on every roll except the seven.
MP204 basically lowers the edge per roll by getting rid of the field bet, but also doesn't get paid on the 2, 3, 11, or 12.
In addition, the MP204 looks to win $49 for any box number.
The edge per roll is 0.33% for the 4 and 10, 1.11% for the 5 and 9, and 0.46% for the 6 and 8.
If you do the weighted average, it's ( ( 0.33 * 50 ) + ( 1.11 * 70 ) + ( 0.46 * 84 ) ) / ( 50 + 70 + 84 ) = 0.65117% per roll.
If you consider it a bet that lasts for 6 rolls on average and returns some amount depending on how good you are at not rolling a seven, that's an edge of 3.9% total to see how much money you can make before you roll a seven, and you always win some multiple of $49 depending on how many box numbers you can roll.
The problem is that to get this edge per roll, you need $204 in total funds, which is a lot of money.
But the majority of the problem with this strategy is that many people don't have $204 to bet on a bet that has an edge per roll of 0.65% no matter how good their shot is. Better strategies start at 0.42% edge per roll and go down, not 0.65% edge per roll and go up (which is what happens when the strategy changes gears and starts doing smaller sized bets and adding pressure).
You can see a big discussion on this strategy and my critical analysis at the following link:
http://www.axispowercraps.com/crapsforum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=954
Quote: FrankScobleteEven some of the casino folks who were friends with him are still around and some of them were pretty big names.
Are these casino employees?
Quote: FrankScobleteSuperrick, I hope you don't mean me when you say how all my reports are about my great wins. I have written about staggering losses.
Just as examples, I wrote about my 72 turns with the dice at Horseshoe in Tunica --- 72 losing turns --- in a row. The tables I played at were full of students and others who knew me and I went down in flames.
I wrote about the 22 losses in a row in blackjack at Fitzgeralds in Tunica.
Wow, I didn't expect to do math on two terribly unlikely occurrences in less than 24 hours.
This happening to any random pass line bettor is:
(251/495)^72 = 5.8201425723563355e-22 or
1 in 1,718,170,968,439,251,262,289
That is about 55 times less likely to pull off than doing what Patricia Demauro did back-to-back
(1/5,590,264,072)^2 = 3.1998922384123793677584728761801e-20 or
1 in 31,251,052,394,694,021,184
The 22 BJ losses at Fitz Tunica is a lot more likely (and I can believe it) as it is roughly:
(0.490964)^22 = 1.596218239261e-7 or
1 in 6,264,807.5
But the other claim that I did the odds on tonight was much, much more unlikely than either of these:
Losing 75% of hands (less than a pair of Jacks after the draw) at video poker over 300,000 hands. For 9/6 JoB optimal strategy with random dealing (the thread argument is if Atlantic City video poker is dealt fairly), the probability of that is:
3.1652686803636191828331357361274 x 10^-13575
or 1 in 3.1592894663372531604227400103373 x 10^13574
ROFL
http://forum.videopoker.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5447&PID=56996#56996
I assume the poster in the video poker thread connected to my post is a flat-out liar. And if somehow he is not, he immediately needs to start a legal crusade to stop this Atlantic City travesty.
What really saddens me is that you may have profited by such extreme claims. The guy on the video poker forum is either just a delusional idiot looking for attention, or has stumbled upon the biggest gaming scandal in modern history...lol He's not looking for money. Did you actually write that you missed 72 straight points in one of your books?? If so, I hope you feel GREAT shame!!! I doubt you will though. Anyone who does the math, or reads the math as shown, should immediately realize it's a lie.
I think I see that whatever I write will either be misread or ignored unless it can be jumped on. There seems to be a lot of anger against me on some people's parts. Maybe I will write a post later today if I have the time and lay some things out. However, I am heading off again soon so I won't be around very much.
Quote: FrankScobletethe rolls were all losers for me.
this is sort of unexplained terminology. Seems to me you can count points or hands, but this business of "rolls" never seems to me to be pertinent. And now we have some kind of unexplained meaning to "rolls"
Tringlomane might have asked questions before pouncing, but I can't fault him for the confusion.
But who are these people you are discussing who left Golden Touch…or were fired from Golden Touch? What stories are they telling? Are these stories merely self serving? (Yes, yes, my hostile pseudonymous critics will say this post is self-serving and, of course, it is.) For example, did Howard actually begin the idea of shooting from the end and wanting to teach this to new dice controllers? Or was the end-shooting only done by Dom and only done with the advanced class with the advanced students?
I liked Howard; I still like Howard (I have a huge, beautiful painting of his hanging on the wall above my fireplace) and he was a great shooter. But Dom was the ultimate end-shooter for our company’s advanced classes and there was no way we would teach this technique to a new student or one who really hadn’t developed a good throw. That would be like putting a little leaguer into the major leagues.
Now we’ve had some 40 instructors who have taught our courses (we had a graded instructor level: interns – a recent development, assistant instructors, instructors, and instructor/partners). All of them, even the ones I fired, were good shooters. We saw them in the casinos; we saw them in private. The one thing we couldn’t see were their characters. These revealed themselves as we worked with them.
So who is telling those awful tales about GTC and (heaven forbid) about me?
Was it the married partner who made moves on all the female students and female friends of my wife with the following line, “Want to go to bed with someone famous?” because I praised him (justifiably) in one of my books?
Was it the partner who made 40K on a 10K investment but kept thinking Dom was cheating him? Was it this partner who left the company and was even given his 10K back? (Any partner who retires or is fired is given his original investment back. I declined that when I left.)
Was it the instructor who started giving secret private lessons in his home when that was against GTC policy and advertised these classes as GTC classes? (Only Dom gave private instruction during my tenure with GTC.)
Was it the instructor who lived on Social Security who was given 100K in airfare, rooms and meals for class weekends (and weeks!), plus sizeable bets for him when we played because we felt sorry for him; along with the pulling of his rotted teeth (for free by the oral surgeon who was an instructor at that time), creating of dentures for free (by another dentist who is an instructor) and was then caught asking students for money, helping organize fund raisers for himself and, yes, getting these “donations?”
Was it one of the founding partners who secretly worked with a competitor for a price?
Was it an assistant instructor who during his first class adamantly complained that he was too good to merely spend the first class he worked simply watching and learning as every assistant instructor had before him? His famous quote, “I am not being utilized correctly.”
Was it the individual who thought I cheated players at my Craps Tournament because I said the prize money would come from the net? Was it this same guy who objected to the money not being immense the way casino tournament money is? Was it this guy to whom we sent copies of every bill to show we did exactly what we said we were going to do?
Records of rolls [rolls can mean hands or individual numbers] do need at least one GTC witness. None of my 50 or more rolls were put up unless I did have a witness. The ones where I didn’t have witnesses are not up in the list. Certainly there are plenty years where I haven’t hit the 50 mark. Indeed, even as a controlled shooter, 50 is immense; as are the 60, 70, 80, 90, 100 or higher marks.
[My wife the Beautiful AP just read this and said, “Why are you wasting your time? The people who attack you don’t care what you say; you’ve never wasted your time on this trivial garbage in the past.”
She’s right, of course, but for this one last occasion – I do hope this is the last occasion – I’ll post this. Then its off for some more time in the world of the casinos.]
Quote: FrankScobleteThe 72 straight losses when I shot did not mean I lost every number I was on. I might have hit two out of three numbers or made a point or two. (I don't know where you read I missed 72 straight points.) However, the rolls were all losers for me. In almost 25 years of play that was the worst streak I've had at craps.
I think I see that whatever I write will either be misread or ignored unless it can be jumped on. There seems to be a lot of anger against me on some people's parts. Maybe I will write a post later today if I have the time and lay some things out. However, I am heading off again soon so I won't be around very much.
In all fairness, Mr. Scoblete, I interpreted, "72 straight losses," the same way as Tringlomane, and I have absolutely nothing against you. I also tend to doubt that Tringlomane has anything against you, he tends to get along rather well with everyone.
Quote:Tringlomane
What really saddens me is that you may have profited by such extreme claims. The guy on the video poker forum is either just a delusional idiot looking for attention, or has stumbled upon the biggest gaming scandal in modern history...lol He's not looking for money. Did you actually write that you missed 72 straight points in one of your books?? If so, I hope you feel GREAT shame!!! I doubt you will though. Anyone who does the math, or reads the math as shown, should immediately realize it's a lie.
Tringlomane thanks for doing the math on these events, you got to love good stories, to bad you missed where he wrote that they were losing hands! Now here would have been my question for him. Why in the world would you stand there for 72 losing hands. What the hell happened to your money management? Aren’t you supposed to be a professional craps player that is teaching your students to win at the game?
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Tringlomane, those two horrible events happened at least a year apart. The 72 straight losses when I shot did not mean I lost every number I was on. I might have hit two out of three numbers or made a point or two. (I don't know where you read I missed 72 straight points.) However, the rolls were all losers for me. In almost 25 years of play that was the worst streak I've had at craps.
When you look at FS wrote in this quote below there are so many things that are wrong, it should just jump out to anybody that is a real craps player. As he wrote above why is he not off the table telling his students that, this is how you manage your money and that is want money management is all about! When you are losing you get off the table! Anytime you read something like that quote you should put a time line to the post and do the math, then ask yourself if you really think it happened. From what I’ve found out, you will come up with the answer that most craps players don’t want to hear, it was just BS. Then we need to look back at what he did write about Tunica in the quote below.
He didn’t write that he had 72 PSO’s he did write that they were losing turns! Remember that if you put yourself on a pedestal so high above everybody else there will be readers saying BS you need to lose sometimes! Is this a story that really happened, you guys tell me what you now think after rereading the quote below! Here is something to think about that story. How many hours would you have to play to have 72 losing turns at the craps table? That would be my main problem with the story! If the tables were full of students wouldn’t they be shooting too? How about other players, wouldn’t you think there would be a few of them on the tables too? Great writer need great stories to back up what they are writing about and yes you do need to be a loser some of the time!
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Just as examples, I wrote about my 72 turns with the dice at Horseshoe in Tunica --- 72 losing turns --- in a row. The tables I played at were full of students and others who knew me and I went down in flames. I could see the students were looking at me with the looking equivalent of the tone of your post, "This guy is supposed to be some kind of big shot? He stinks." Of course, they never saw how beautiful my shot looked (just being cute here); they only saw me striking out time after time.
Tringlomane I have a post that I’m working on about what one of these great fiction writer wrote,.. about all the 4’s and 10’s he was rolling, no it wasn’t Frank, but I think after you do the math on what this guy wrote you will come to the same conclusion a bunch of DI’s came to about the post!
Quote: FrankScobleteJust as examples, I wrote about my 72 turns with the dice at Horseshoe in Tunica --- 72 losing turns --- in a row.
Quote: FrankScobleteNuts. If it was unlcear it is also unclear in my book.
To clear this up, you do mean Hands, right? You mean that each Hand ended with you losing more money *net* than you won, although once in a while you would make a point ?
PS: if the shooter is a constant come bettor, I can see that happening.
Anyway, I am off. I'll be posting in a few weeks.
By the way I finished my review of the new poker book and thanks for reading the review of Virgin Kiss.
Maybe you'd want to call the next book: Craps Cheaters ? It might cover all of them.
Quote: FrankScobleteTringlomane, those two horrible events happened at least a year apart. The 72 straight losses when I shot did not mean I lost every number I was on. I might have hit two out of three numbers or made a point or two. (I don't know where you read I missed 72 straight points.) However, the rolls were all losers for me. In almost 25 years of play that was the worst streak I've had at craps.
I think I see that whatever I write will either be misread or ignored unless it can be jumped on. There seems to be a lot of anger against me on some people's parts. Maybe I will write a post later today if I have the time and lay some things out. However, I am heading off again soon so I won't be around very much.
This isn't what I calculated obviously, but having a net loss 72 times in a row while it is your turn of the dice (even over multiple sessions) is still going to be unlikely unless you press your bets very, very strongly. For example, if you always press your winnings and never quit until you 7 out, then it can be pretty trivial you can incur a net loss 72 rolls in a row since you never bank your winnings. If you typically have a 10% win rate on your roll due to heavy pressing (and huge wins when you win, obviously), then incurring 72 losses in a row is fairly feasible. It would be about a 1 in 1970 occurrence. An expected 26.8% win rate, would lead to a Patricia Demauro like event. I personally don't know your pressing strategy, and without knowing that, it's hard to say how likely/unlikely that event was, and I apologize for not clearly understanding what a "losing roll" meant.
Quote: tringlomanehaving a net loss 72 times in a row while it is your turn of the dice (even over multiple sessions) is still going to be unlikely unless you press your bets very, very strongly.
I know of players who "shoot for the stars" just this way: They will load up the table (example: $135 across) and press, press, press with a goal of not taking any "wins" into their rail until their $25 starting bets become $100 and up bets.
I was at a table once and a player lost nearly $10K trying this strategy.... hand after hand after hand. Starting with $25 pass with full odds plus $130/135 across each time he threw the dice (total about $250 per hand) it took him about 40 "hands" and almost eight hours to lose the $10K. But, he thought he was a dice controller and he could make it happen....
Quote: FrankScobleteWhat makes you think I have disagreements with Dom or Howard? Do you have any knowledge of why Howard left GTC? I'd love to read your version. I'd also love to find out what disagreements I have with Dom.
FrankScoblete, The facts make me think you have disagreements with Dom and Howard. You control(ed) the GTC website, you had all of Howard's records and write-ups deleted immediately after you forced him to surrender his ownership in GTC. Did you give Howard the same fair market value for his shares that you got for yours when you recently divested. The facts says no. Have you called Howard once since you forced his resignation from GTC. The facts (telephone records) say no.
However, I guess you can't delete Howard from your published books.
Quote: FrankScobleteWhat makes you think my writings have no witnesses? Just go out and buy all my books (please!); read all the chapters that have people in them (such as Howard) and then ask those people did I nail the incidents down correctly? Did I nail the dialogue correctly?
Now to the Captain. Yes, I realize that this 147 roll event seems to get people heated. Yes, they think the casino would publicize it whether the Captain wanted it publicized or not. However, if you take the time to see my accuracy with my book chapters (an accuracy I am sure Howard already informed you of) why would you say that while I am accurate in those accounts, the accounts of the Captain (especially his huge roll) are fictitious? Why take all those things that point this way but take one thing and say despite all the things that point this way THAT thing must point another way? I would think the safe bet would be to take the person who has been accurate in the past and bet he is being accurate with this other thing. Well, that's how I would bet.
I doubt you think the Captain is fake. Satch, a Crew member, is still around; so is his wife; my wife and several students who met him. The children of Crew members are still around. Even some of the casino folks who were friends with him are still around and some of them were pretty big names. The Captain did not exist in a vacuum and did not play in a vacuum. I did show a picture of the Captain (his face blacked out) and the Crew at a tournament I hosted.
Anyway, I am an easy target, especially when fictions are written about me by people who never met me, don't know me, but think it is their responsibility to enlighten the world about everything they have no knowedge about.
I have bought your books. I have met you, I have watched you, Dom and the GTC gang play several times. None of the GTC management chart your rolls. You may do a 5-count, but you do not do any kind of counting of rolls with chips or otherwise. SO HOW DO YOU ACCOUNT FOR THE DISCREPANCY NOTED BY HARLEY ON THE 1ST PAGE OF THIS THREAD IN THE 1ST 2 POSTS? Your only rebuttal was that he misspelled your good friend's name, you never explained or disputed your embellished numbers.
HOW DO YOU PROVE THE 147 AMOUNT THE CAPTAIN ROLLED? Sure the Captain was a real person, but were any of his embellished accomplishments REAL? How do you prove any of the numbers in your books, trip reports, and website if 95% of the GTC players never chart or count complete rolls of the dice?
FrankScoblete, you write very well. My point is that it is too vague and mostly fiction and therefore a disservice to your students and fellow craps players for bringing unnecessary heat from casino personnel.
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Frank your next book should be about the trials and tribulations and scandals at GTC. You really whipped up my appetite to know more about the "scoundrels." Now that would be a best seller!
Yes Alan,.. wouldn't it be interesting to hear from all those “scoundrels” that were out to screw FS, I've always found that there is two sides to every story!
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So who is telling those awful tales about GTC and (heaven forbid) about me?
Was it the married partner who made moves on all the female students and female friends of my wife with the following line, “Want to go to bed with someone famous?” because I praised him (justifiably) in one of my books?
Was it the partner who made 40K on a 10K investment but kept thinking Dom was cheating him? Was it this partner who left the company and was even given his 10K back? (Any partner who retires or is fired is given his original investment back. I declined that when I left.)
Was it the instructor who started giving secret private lessons in his home when that was against GTC policy and advertised these classes as GTC classes? (Only Dom gave private instruction during my tenure with GTC.)
Was it the instructor who lived on Social Security who was given 100K in airfare, rooms and meals for class weekends (and weeks!), plus sizeable bets for him when we played because we felt sorry for him; along with the pulling of his rotted teeth (for free by the oral surgeon who was an instructor at that time), creating of dentures for free (by another dentist who is an instructor) and was then caught asking students for money, helping organize fund raisers for himself and, yes, getting these “donations?”
Was it one of the founding partners who secretly worked with a competitor for a price?
Just think all those guys that he had working for him turned out to be crooks, is that why they all left? It must be hell running a craps school depending on those type of people!
Haven't we all seen the same kind of answers that frank gave about the questions that were asked of him, where someone turns around and just ask more questions, and they never answer what the person wanted to know. There is an old saying “ If you can get through three days of bad press, they press will go away!
Now I never really paid to much attention to what Frank has written, although I do get a news letter from Casino City Times, where this showed up in an Email today!
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Dear Karl:
Last month in Atlantic City I rolled 11 eights in 12 rolls and then went on to roll 26 eights out of 45 numbers for that particular turn with the dice. I have seen rolls even better. My dice-control partner, Jerry “Stickman” clobbered the Grand (now Harrah’s) in Tunica with 23 sixes out of 28 numbers! I think that was a roll of a lifetime.
Frank Scoblete
How many of us would say BS to the above quote? Would you find it hard to believe, well I would I have seen a lot of really good shooter at the craps tables and I have never seen anything close to what Frank wrote in his News Letter above! Now I know why a lot of guys have been telling me over the years that I should read what he has been writing! My bad giving him a free pass all these years, I could have had a field day with stuff like that!
I will leave it at that and lets hear if you guys have ever seen anything like what he wrote about, there must have been one witness to these great rolls, was there?
I found this article in Casino City Times news letter this week!
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I will leave it at that and lets hear if you guys have ever seen anything like what he wrote about, there must have been one witness to these great rolls, was there?
I found this article in Casino City Times news letter this week!
I don't understand why everything Mr. Scoblete writes gets challenged, but this:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/12459-incredible-roll-0/
Goes unchallenged.
That's right, my own thread. I don't have a witness, all I could do (what Mr. Scoblete did) was identify the casino by name. Counting this up from this thread, it appears that I went a grand total of 48 rolls without a Seven.
I just don't understand why that's not a problem, but everything Mr. Scoblete said is a problem.
The thing to understand about Mr. Scoblete, regardless of whether or not one believes in DI, is that the dude has played a ton of Craps. He has probably played more Craps specifically in Las Vegas than I have in all casinos, WoO Practice Game and all other free on-line fun games COMBINED. The result is that, DI or no DI, the guy's going to see some wild stuff and have some wild turns with the dice.
I'm not saying that all of his claims, which exist on the far reaches of probability, are absolutely true...because I have no idea...I'm simply saying there is no reason to believe that every last one of them are false, either.
Jerry "Stickman" recorded the rolls. Why not write him (stickmanjerry@aol.com) and ask him if the event happened. Unlike the Captain's roll I didn't promise myself I wouldn't write about myself. Myself is a topic I like. The roll took place around 6am and only one other player was at the table with us. But I am sure Stickman will verify the roll. (If Superrick writes him I know, and you know, that he will say Stickman is lying to cover for me.)
M146, don't sweat it. Don't get insulted about the toilet paper either. I mentioned a few people who needed to be fired from GTC, a handful, of our 40 employees and partners (add Dom and me and make 42), and suddenly the whole company is filled with crooks ("all those guys working for him") according to Superrick. In fact, if he is getting his information from those whom we fired you can take such information for what it is worth. No quarter will be given here by them and I understand that. The article he referred to on Casino City Times, and quoted, was about wild streaks that happen in gambling and was an answer to two letters I received. Here is the context of my streak:
"Last month in Atlantic City I rolled 11 eights in 12 rolls and then went on to roll 26 eights out of 45 numbers for that particular turn with the dice. I have seen rolls even better. My dice-control partner, Jerry “Stickman” clobbered the Grand (now Harrah’s) in Tunica with 23 sixes out of 28 numbers! I think that was a roll of a lifetime.
"Unusual streaks are not as unusual as you think. Even when we are not dealing with controlled shooters (as 'Stickman' is) randomness calls forth really wild streaks. It is the nature of things."
You probably don't want constant references to other sites but I think in this case perhaps reading the original piece will put everything in perspective, for you and some others on this site, but I am certainly sure not for Superrick or Bohemian. Go here for article being discussed: http://scoblete.casinocitytimes.com/
As for the "facts" telling Bohemian that I had disagreements with Dom, that is news to me --- both Bohemian's supposed facts and the supposed disagreements. As for Howard, Howard knows why he left and I know why he left. Howard also knows why we pulled his records from our site. I will continue to keep quiet as to why he left and why we pulled his records. That's between Howard and me.
Whether Bohemian bought my books or "watched" me at the tables is his claim. I have no idea who the guy is (or even if "he" is a guy); after all he can hide behind his pseudonym and say whatever he wants. I do know he obviously didn't see me using chips to count rolls so he either didn't look, or never was at a table with me, or is fabricating his story. That is how I do it, use chips to count rolls, and I've explained that in articles over the years. (If more than a handful of GTC players are playing then one member of the group, a non-shooting one, keeps track.)
I am going downstairs now and hope to hit 100 of the same number in a row. Wish me luck! If I do that I will certainly write about it. If I don't do it I won't write about it.
Quote: Mission146I don't understand why everything Mr. Scoblete writes gets challenged, but this:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/12459-incredible-roll-0/
Goes unchallenged.
That's right, my own thread. I don't have a witness, all I could do (what Mr. Scoblete did) was identify the casino by name. Counting this up from this thread, it appears that I went a grand total of 48 rolls without a Seven.
I just don't understand why that's not a problem, but everything Mr. Scoblete said is a problem.
The thing to understand about Mr. Scoblete, regardless of whether or not one believes in DI, is that the dude has played a ton of Craps. He has probably played more Craps specifically in Las Vegas than I have in all casinos, WoO Practice Game and all other free on-line fun games COMBINED. The result is that, DI or no DI, the guy's going to see some wild stuff and have some wild turns with the dice.
I'm not saying that all of his claims, which exist on the far reaches of probability, are absolutely true...because I have no idea...I'm simply saying there is no reason to believe that every last one of them are false, either.
In my opinion, you have credibility here and nothing to gain from a fake story. Frank on the other hand is in the business to make money selling his skills. Naturally that makes many of us who understand odds to question him. I seem to want to like Frank and respect him from his posts, but a few posters also have good questions on some of his accounts.
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In my opinion, you have credibility here and nothing to gain from a fake story. Frank on the other hand is in the business to make money selling his skills. Naturally that makes many of us who understand odds to question him. I seem to want to like Frank and respect him from his posts, but a few posters also have good questions on some of his accounts.
It also helps that Mission's story occurs on average 1 every 6320 times as it's too likely to assume it's made up, imo.
Quote: FrankScobleteJerry "Stickman" recorded the rolls.
The roll took place around 6am and only one other player was at the table with us. But I am sure Stickman will verify the roll.
"Last month in Atlantic City I rolled 11 eights in 12 rolls and then went on to roll 26 eights out of 45 numbers for that particular turn with the dice. I have seen rolls even better. My dice-control partner, Jerry “Stickman” clobbered the Grand (now Harrah’s) in Tunica with 23 sixes out of 28 numbers!
That is how I do it, use chips to count rolls, and I've explained that in articles over the years.
FrankScoblete, I hope your trip went well but it seems that your method of counting rolls is broken. Why do I believe this? Not only are your articles about the Captain's exaggerated accomplishments mostly ridiculous, but so are your above examples and the fact that you have yet to refute how your count of rolls at Bellagio in your post on page 1 is so much different from Harley's accounting with his 2 witnesses. I suggest you utilize pen and paper or something similar to Ahigh's Bank Tally Counters:
Quote: FrankScobleteSo who is telling those awful tales about GTC and (heaven forbid) about me?
It was not WORDSLAYER, but even though you may have tossed him a coin or 2 in benefits, I am willing to bet that a jury would find that you owe him more for commercializing his gripper design without paying him a single royalty.
And it wasn't Thomas Morgan aka The Irishsetter, who's work and commentary you had 100% deleted from a TV article you took influence over.
