Ahigh
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March 1st, 2013 at 1:24:49 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

The thing is, I don't know if I've ever seen dice changed after the come out roll that results in a point and before the next roll. So the unbalanced dice "create" a number that is unbalanced, say 9 for example. Now everyone plays their odds at 2 or 3 or 4 times their pass line. Then the shooter rolls the dice and the dice are unballanced to hit a 9 more often then any other number and it hits and everyone wins. So the house gets pissed and changes the dice to the unbalanced ones that hit 10's more than normal. The point is established, more likely a 10 than anything. Everyone places their odds at 2-1 and the shooter has a higher chance at hitting a 10 than anything and wins.

Unless they are changing the dice right after the come out roll it doesn't make any sense. If they are doing that then that is VERY easy to prove and have someone from the NGB watch. The whole story sounds fishy.

ZCore13



There is an entire other thread where I discuss the math supporting Harley's theories. I thought the math would quickly have exposure on the don't pass, which it doesn't. It's ironic to me that the exposure is in the field when the six and one faces are too heavily weighted in their outcomes.

The pass line doesn't get hurt as much as the free odds bets because 29% of the passline bets benefit from the extra 6-1 seven winners.

The free odds bets, are really where the ratio of box numbers to sevens starts to hurt in the long run.

You can absolutely still win, it's just no longer a free bet if you are having more six faces and one faces. And you can start to have a player edge on the lay bets too.
TIMSPEED
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March 1st, 2013 at 1:25:52 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

I used to think a lot of bad stuff about Harley until I met him, honestly. So I can imagine how you might also feel this way.


Scobe referred to him as "young man"....but Scobe is like 60...so does that mean Harley is younger than you Aaron?
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Ahigh
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March 1st, 2013 at 1:28:34 PM permalink
I perceived him to be about the same age as me. But I do not know his real name or his age, nor did I ask him. He is very secretive about his identity as he does play quite a bit.

Harley told me he met the Wizard and that the Wizard pretty much dismissed him.

I dismissed Harley. I mean Harley actually drove me up the wall for over a year!

Anyway... I don't blame anyone for dismissing Harley, I'm just not doing it anymore until I learn more.
EvenBob
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March 1st, 2013 at 1:34:49 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh


Harley told me he met the Wizard and that the Wizard pretty much dismissed him.
I dismissed Harley. I mean Harley actually drove me up the wall for over a year!



You guys crack me up. I mean, I want you to
keep going, its very entertaining. Craps being
such a new game that nobody's tried to beat,
and all..
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Harley
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March 1st, 2013 at 1:53:12 PM permalink
FYI - I received the following email concerning unbalanced biased dice being used in a casino in the mid-USA .... since this is a current investigation, details have been xxx-out .... The good news is that this particular state does have decent dice specification laws to protect it's patrons, unlike Nevada ...

From: Xxxx Xxxx
Date: Tue, Feb 26, 2013
Subject: Investigation of Xxxx Casino Dice
To: Harley <harleyhorn@gmail.com>

Quote:

Hi Harley:

I have a lot of news coming down from Xxxx Casino here over the past three weeks. They have had tables closed 2 times with players challenging bad dice. I had a hour to hour and a half meeting with Xxxx State Gaming Control Agent Friday a week ago. Gave him a copy of Balancing Dice For Dummies. He is writing up a report and forwarding to Xxxxx.

I heard yesterday that all the dice stock was taken out of Xxxx Casino possession and a whole new order was received. ... It will be interesting to see if dice inspection has changes at Xxxx Casino and the rest of the State of Xxxx. I explained to him how I first suspected biased dice ... and how this has progressed over the years.

Call for more details.
Xxxx

.... that is simply my opinion .... Ciao, Harley ... Link = http://crapsadvantageplayers.blogspot.com/
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March 1st, 2013 at 2:08:20 PM permalink
You know Harley, if you are correct, the most likely scenario would be either the craps tables would either be digital or the pays would be fundamentally changed to keep the same profits. There would be no law which said they would have to continue to offer craps the "legal way" if they ever were caught as punishment or anything.
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March 1st, 2013 at 2:13:08 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

He is very secretive about his identity.


Bruce Wayne?!
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Ahigh
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March 1st, 2013 at 2:17:45 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

You guys crack me up. I mean, I want you to
keep going, its very entertaining. Craps being
such a new game that nobody's tried to beat,
and all..



And I want you to keep posting, too. After all, the phrase signal to noise ratio wouldn't have even been invented if it weren't for the noise.
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March 1st, 2013 at 5:33:20 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

The free odds bets, are really where the ratio of box numbers to sevens starts to hurt in the long run.


So the reverse would be true for laying odds, or wasn't that measured? Could be quite the opportunity to lay 'em big time.
Ahigh
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March 2nd, 2013 at 8:19:48 PM permalink
In theory, identifying bad dice and laying an amount that wins a multiple of $20 is a pretty good bet if you have the funds to grind that big for a while and/or as long as the dice are behaving consistently.

In the short run, all of this stuff is outweighed by luck and chance. You have to flat-bet grind for a while to turn any actual edge into a profit. IE: it's boring, but in theory, bet big and repetitively as long as they keep the dice on the table.

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