Harley
Harley
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March 16th, 2013 at 11:46:53 PM permalink
Quote: bbvk05

No, more like your claim is laughable horseshit.


I gave you specific casino examples -- you care to refute with your own specifics

Quote: Harley

.... Depends on the casino, but usually Table Games Supervisor or Security controls which dice are carried to the craps pit ... the Boxman is just a simple conduit doing as he is told by those above him .... Boxman usually receives a call from "above" as to which dice are to be played on which table (for example Sam's Town, Golden Nugget, etc.) or they follow a very strict game plan book (ie, Bellagio, Rampart, etc.)


otherwise you just qualified for my ignore list

.... that is simply my opinion .... Ciao, Harley ... Link = http://crapsadvantageplayers.blogspot.com/
bbvk05
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March 17th, 2013 at 2:01:20 AM permalink
You named casinos where you allege this happens. So I will just have to trust your word on this asinine claim? It is incumbent on ME to offer evidence that these casinos DON'T do this? LOL.
Harley
Harley
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March 17th, 2013 at 6:35:41 AM permalink
what's your point ? .... my point is the Boxman and dealers as well as the Pit Boss have no clue as to the balance or imbalance of the dice in most Nevada casinos ... all that is done behind closed doors (or incorrectly on the floor just for show) ... the decision to put what dice on what table is done from beyond the Crap's Pit

My contention is that it is done in a very methodical manner ...

Quote: Ahigh

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Casinos chart their income.
Players generally don't.

Casino's track which dice are on the table including the serial number and other detailed information.
Players generally don't.

Casinos suspect dice for being responsible for unusual things happening at the table when they (the casino) are losing at that table.
Players generally don't.

If you're a player, you generally don't. Welcome to the club of players!

Casinos ABSOLUTELY CHANGE THE DICE BASED ON WHAT IS HAPPENING AT THE TABLE.

If you don't believe this, you are simply wrong. There is nothing more or less to be said about this argument. Even if you find a casino that doesn't do this, it is ABSOLUTELY TRUE THAT CASINOS WILL CHANGE THE DICE DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH MONEY IS BEING WON ON A TABLE.


Do you really think a Boxman or a dealer knows what serial numbered dice has a better Hold -- I doubt it --- it is someone in the Casino Management with access to a computer
.... that is simply my opinion .... Ciao, Harley ... Link = http://crapsadvantageplayers.blogspot.com/
Ahigh
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March 17th, 2013 at 7:38:17 AM permalink
When a table starts paying players a lot of money at a casino, it is not uncommon for additional people to arrive behind the table. It is surveillance that typically notifies the pit boss or other individuals to stand behind and watch as larger amount of money start going out.

I will tell you that I play hours of craps very nearly every single day and I have for over three years. I generally agree with what Harley is saying about tracking which serials are winning/losing money using a computer outside of the view and/or verbalization of the dealers and the pit boss. Those guys are the interface to the player. But there are other conversations that the player never hears that have to do with wins and losses and what is going on related to which dice are in play and where.

I will also tell you that I know for absolute fact that a table can be opened up with older dice in play. In fact it happened to me yesterday at the first place that I played. They were using blue Paulson dice and they were banged up all to hell. When I specifically asked them about being concerned that the dice were not a fresh pair of dice when first opening the table, the dealers merely stated that the casino like to "save money by not changing them as much."

That much I would not disagree with, but it's the details of how they are saving money that is in question. I am 100% sure they were just talking about the fact that a stick of Paulson dice is not cheap like a stick of Alibaba.com dice.

Anyway, in general, I'm going to agree with Harley on knowledge of what various casinos do with respect to their policies on how dice go out onto table and whether they are new dice or dice that have been used before and whether or not those dice are favorable or unfavorable to typical bets at the casino is absolutely not something that the dealers or boxmen are aware of.
vendman1
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March 17th, 2013 at 10:03:30 AM permalink
Quote: Harley

Here are a few dozen referenced FAILURES by our regulatory environment:

http://procraps4u2.myfanforum.org/forum31.php&sid=4bd701fb2f31b1a50675af1d01e0e8ac



Thanks for the link to a website for which I need a password to view. This is very helpful. About as helpful as your illogical ramblings on dice cheating by casinos.
Harley
Harley
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March 17th, 2013 at 10:13:50 AM permalink
Quote: vendman1

Quote: Harley

Here are a few dozen referenced FAILURES by our regulatory environment:

http://procraps4u2.myfanforum.org/forum31.php&sid=4bd701fb2f31b1a50675af1d01e0e8ac



Thanks for the link to a website for which I need a password to view. This is very helpful. About as helpful as your illogical ramblings on dice cheating by casinos.


LoL ... Did you need a password to sign up to this message board - the Wizard's ??!! .... no wonder some of you guy/gals just don't get it .... you have trouble registering for a free website and wiping your asz ..

.... don't worry -- the casinos will wipe your asz for you ...... you are just the kind of customer they are looking for
.... that is simply my opinion .... Ciao, Harley ... Link = http://crapsadvantageplayers.blogspot.com/
Ahigh
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March 17th, 2013 at 10:31:57 AM permalink
*sigh* both sides need to calm down including you Harley.

Try to take his comments more constructively. I would agree that you could benefit from cleaning up some of the information that you're putting out.

And nobody likes an image of an ass being wiped. I am guilty of responding like this when I get emotional too, just trying to be a referee a little bit here.

Let's all calm down a notch.

I also agree that if you a post a link to a website, the information should be out there without needing to sign up.

I opened up GoodShooter.com just for this reason .. I had it closed off for a while and I think being more open is the right approach.

I truly fear nothing and only want to learn more. And in general I am 100% unafraid of the truth no matter what the truth ends up being.

Even if it makes me look more stupid than I already look, I can handle it. I am genuinely interested to learn more.

Previously I had written you off as basically a guy who was lost and maybe even suffering from a mental disorder.

I told you as much and I know others have too.

But work with me here. Let's try to get it as clean as we can. If we all want fair dice, that's some common ground.

Making data public is the best avenue to proceed. Making nasty comments not so much.
Zcore13
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March 17th, 2013 at 10:40:46 AM permalink
Quote: Harley

Quote: vendman1

Quote: Harley

Here are a few dozen referenced FAILURES by our regulatory environment:

http://procraps4u2.myfanforum.org/forum31.php&sid=4bd701fb2f31b1a50675af1d01e0e8ac



Thanks for the link to a website for which I need a password to view. This is very helpful. About as helpful as your illogical ramblings on dice cheating by casinos.


LoL ... Did you need a password to sign up to this message board - the Wizard's ??!! .... no wonder some of you guy/gals just don't get it .... you have trouble registering for a free website and wiping your asz ..

.... don't worry -- the casinos will wipe your asz for you ...... you are just the kind of customer they are looking for



You just keep getting dumber and dumber. No, you do not need a password or to register to view the posts in this forum. I give up on you. Not because I don't enjoy the easy target you have made of yourself with your totally delusional accusations, but the second I heard that you actually wore a mask to a get together to hide your true identity, it became quite clear that your mental state is more than questionable and there is no point in continuing with someone in your condition.

Good luck to you in your Superhero quest(mask and all) to fight the evil people in the ceiling that control the dice.

ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
Beardgoat
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March 17th, 2013 at 10:52:22 AM permalink
Quote: Harley

Quote: vendman1

Quote: Harley

Here are a few dozen referenced FAILURES by our regulatory environment:

http://procraps4u2.myfanforum.org/forum31.php&sid=4bd701fb2f31b1a50675af1d01e0e8ac



Thanks for the link to a website for which I need a password to view. This is very helpful. About as helpful as your illogical ramblings on dice cheating by casinos.


LoL ... Did you need a password to sign up to this message board - the Wizard's ??!! .... no wonder some of you guy/gals just don't get it .... you have trouble registering for a free website and wiping your asz ..

.... don't worry -- the casinos will wipe your asz for you ...... you are just the kind of customer they are looking for



Haha this guy wears a mask in public and then expects us to just make a username and password for a site that he links to.... Right.
bbvk05
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March 17th, 2013 at 10:55:09 AM permalink
Quote: Harley



Do you really think a Boxman or a dealer knows what serial numbered dice has a better Hold -- I doubt it --- it is someone in the Casino Management with access to a computer




Nope. Your stupid question presupposes that casinos have dice they know are biased and deploy them intentionally at different times. I don't think casinos believe they have biased dice. I think they change the dice because they are worried someone has an edge via particular set of dice when they are losing.

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