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Saw this set used at harrahs AC for about a 45 minute roll. young kid rolled from SR2, had over 40 rolls, many 6's and 8's. He set the dice and would aim for the hop 7 bets located after the middle of the table, near the start of the field bet area. The dice would make one bounce and either be 6 or 8 most of the time. he won aprox 700$-800$. The 2 was set towards the pit side and the 6 was adjacent to the 2 on the shooter side. Dice set were picked up in palm of hand, and he would throw the dice in two motions by bringing his hand back and then forward with a closed and open palm release throw by simply tossing them in the area near the start of the field bet zone. I did not bet due to superstition :). I believe I did place a six and made 20 or so dollars... I have tried this technique at the 14 ft tables and had no success.

I assume you are not claiming those are the actual dice used at Harrahs.

This is the set I usually employ when trying to hit the 4 or 10. Interesting.

Quote: JoeyCraps

would aim for the hop 7 bets located after the middle of the table, near the start of the field bet area. The dice would make one bounce and either be 6 or 8 most of the time.

Truthfully, if he did that at any casino I play at, he'd get no-roll'd QUICK. It sounds like he was purposefully aiming to NOT hit the backwall....
I was at SilverLegacy in Reno a few months back and a shooter was throwing the dice from straight-out the middle, and he was INTENTIONALLY "lobbing" them directly at the center of the table...they would take one bounce just the other side of the prop bet area and land somewhere in the middle of the field...after three rolls like that, the stickman (out of nowhere with cat like reflexes) GRABS the dice mid-air and says "Sir, you are done shooting."
Personally, I didn't give a rip, because all he was literally doing was AIMING at all the chips in the hardway area, each time, splashing them badly.

I hear that on the 4s and 10s. He was hitting mostly insides, good to know. And no, those dice are just small play dice that I keep in my pocket. TIMSPEED - the dice were hitting the backwall , but mostly hitting like you said (taking one bounce from after the prop bets, but not hitting the chips) and then rolling into the backwall. He knew what he was doing and his friend followed his place bets also, making money. Sure luck has play but, he could definitely throw. If anyone else sets them up that way in the pic, would be great to hear from you thanks...

Unfortunately this is another Ahigh case... or should I call it Bhigh case?
Unless you are telling me that he somehow controls how the dice fly in the air, stay together and on axis, hit the table with a uniform and controlled bounce and roll on axis to the back wall, I can only say he set the dice and got lucky.

Every day players set the dice and get lucky. And every day players set the dice and don't get lucky.

Quote: AlanMendelson

Unfortunately this is another Ahigh case... or should I call it Bhigh case?
Unless you are telling me that he somehow controls how the dice fly in the air, stay together and on axis, hit the table with a uniform and controlled bounce and roll on axis to the back wall, I can only say he set the dice and got lucky.

Every day players set the dice and get lucky. And every day players set the dice and don't get lucky.

Dude.... Really? I can see how you wouldn't make any distinction between me and this guy after having seen some of your reporting.

Quote: Ahigh

Dude.... Really? I can see how you wouldn't make any distinction between me and this guy after having seen some of your reporting.

Ahigh, you still think you are showing "dice control." You aren't. Even if you get lucky with numbers you are not showing any "control."

I am yet to see "control" and I've been around with the so-called "dice controlling / dice influencing crowd" a lot longer than you.

However, I don't deny it's possible. And I don't deny that someone with a lot of practice could do it to some degree. Ahh... but that is the issue: to "what degree"??

Besides, I am angry with you. A couple of months ago you and I exchanged emails when I was driving up to Vegas about meeting up. We even exchanged cell phone numbers. You were supposed to phone me on my cell when I was driving up and I never heard from you. We were going to meet up at a casino and I was going to be at the table to watch (and play with you) in real action. And it never happened. I don't think you "forgot" to call. I think you really didn't want me to see you "in real action."

I have not mentioned this before here because I didn't think it was anyone's business. But when you wrote "after having seen some of your reporting" the gloves came off. You make a personal attack on me, and I tell people the truth.

Quote: AlanMendelson

Ahigh, you still think you are showing "dice control." You aren't. Even if you get lucky with numbers you are not showing any "control."

I am yet to see "control" and I've been around with the so-called "dice controlling / dice influencing crowd" a lot longer than you.

However, I don't deny it's possible. And I don't deny that someone with a lot of practice could do it to some degree. Ahh... but that is the issue: to "what degree"??

Besides, I am angry with you. A couple of months ago you and I exchanged emails when I was driving up to Vegas about meeting up. We even exchanged cell phone numbers. You were supposed to phone me on my cell when I was driving up and I never heard from you. We were going to meet up at a casino and I was going to be at the table to watch (and play with you) in real action. And it never happened. I don't think you "forgot" to call. I think you really didn't want me to see you "in real action."

I have not mentioned this before here because I didn't think it was anyone's business. But when you wrote "after having seen some of your reporting" the gloves came off. You make a personal attack on me, and I tell people the truth.

No you bailed on me! Come on now, seriously you don't remember this wrong!!

You sent me a message and said they you had to stay back for the shoot.

Put up them dukes!

On a serious note, let's get together. I was looking forward to it; I absolutely am open to getting together with you or anyone else.

And no I don't claim to have control over the dice. I do believe I could stake a claim on having some of the most advanced software to detect is a bias is present.

My rolls from tonight showed me rolling more sevens than I have ever recorded for any session of that many rolls.

It brought my percentage of sevens for all my recorded rolls up from 15.19% to 15.52% !! And I lost $1200 or so on the passline with 10x odds from a $5 table betting the come every roll after the comeout.

2) 65 2.76% - 2.78% = -0.01% (-0.33)--------- 2
3) 150 6.38% - 5.56% = 0.82% (+19.33)-------------------- 3
4) 201 8.55% - 8.33% = 0.21% (+5.00)-------------------------- 4
5) 249 10.59% - 11.11% = -0.52% (-12.33)-------------------------------- 5
6) 344 14.63% - 13.89% = 0.74% (+17.33)-------------------------------------------- 6
7) 365 15.52% - 16.67% = -1.15% (-27.00)----------------------------------------------- 7
8) 318 13.52% - 13.89% = -0.37% (-8.67)----------------------------------------- 8
9) 272 11.56% - 11.11% = 0.45% (+10.67)----------------------------------- 9
10) 202 8.59% - 8.33% = 0.26% (+6.00)--------------------------10
11) 113 4.80% - 5.56% = -0.75% (-17.67)---------------11
12) 73 3.10% - 2.78% = 0.33% (+7.67)----------12

Total sevens 365 - Seven outs 257 (70.41%) - Seven winners 108 (29.59%)
Pairs 418 17.77% - 16.67% = 1.11% (+26.00 rolls)
Hards 280 11.90% - 11.11% = 0.79% (+18.67 rolls)
HiLos 138 5.87% - 5.56% = 0.31% (+7.33 rolls)
H2 65/23 ( 2.76% - 2.78% = -0.33)
H4 78/21 ( 3.32% - 2.78% = +12.67)
H6 63/22 ( 2.68% - 2.78% = -2.33)
H8 72/16 ( 3.06% - 2.78% = +6.67)
H10 67/21 ( 2.85% - 2.78% = +1.67)
H12 73/15 ( 3.10% - 2.78% = +7.67)

Quote: Ahigh

I absolutely am open to getting together with you or anyone else.

Excellent.

Try this:

Your place, with the camera on.

Surely some impetuous group member would be willing to bank a game there with you, say for a thousand bucks or so total bank, real money, with you the only shooter.

You set and roll dem bones until either you or the house wins it all; cap the bets at fifty bucks or so, to keep the game going for awhile.

Money talks.

Quote: Ahigh

Total sevens 365 -
Seven outs 257 (70.41%) -
Seven winners 108 (29.59%)

The percentage of Winner 7s to total 7s is simply
165/557 (29.62%)
7 winner EV = 365*(165/557) = 108.12

The percentage of 7outs to total 7s is simply
392/557 (70.38%)

Looks to be a ratio of 392/165

Quote: Ahigh

No you bailed on me! Come on now, seriously you don't remember this wrong!!

You sent me a message and said they you had to stay back for the shoot.

Put up them dukes!

On a serious note, let's get together. I was looking forward to it; I absolutely am open to getting together with you or anyone else.

Yes, I cancelled one trip, but made another and that's the one I'm talking about. But for someone who has felt "personal attacks" keep in mind that you made a personal attack against me. My TV reporting has nothing to do with my criticism of your craps beliefs.

But we'll let it go and move forward. I look forward to meeting you. I thought your show was okay last night technically for one camera and whatever mic you were using. The audio levels were low, the video was very good. I'm guessing you were your own camera operator. You need another person to help make your show "sing."

I like the interactive nature of it, with you respnding to text questions. I was surprised to see my text questions show up on my Facebook page -- but I adjusted my settings and that won't happen again. LOL

If you are going to do these "tests" you need to start with new, fresh dice, and I would suggest testing the dice before shooting them. I tuned in late when you were checking the dice for balance and found one was off balance. Shouldn't you verify the dice before you throw them?

And where did the dice come from? Someone mentioned a Florida casino ship. Did they go out of business? Were the dice cancelled? You also had their chips? If you explained this on air, I'm sorry I missed it.

Are the commercials run at random for each viewer? If the commercials are at standard times, take a commercial break so we know we don't miss anything. I am sure I missed things.

Yeah, the Ahigh show was pretty good. Wizard were you watching? This is your future... and mine too.

Make sure you have adblock installed. I have never seen a commercial myself.

If I pay $99/month or more, I can stream without commercials. But I think with this small number of viewers, it's possible that just installing adblock will solve that problem.

I am still working with the audio and next go-round I will have bluetooth headphones on so I can have a better idea of what the audio is that is going out.

Sorry for punching below the belt, Alan. I just take it personally when I get grouped in with folks who think the set alone is what is responsible for bias.

Last night's session was a horrible session for my recorded rolls. Actually the worst session I have recorded.

Like any good craps player, you want to find someone or something to blame. Harley started by blaming biased dice, and I thought it was ridiculous, but I actually have the equipment to test the balance of the dice, and it showed something was amiss.

I will probably go off and do some more digging to see if those two dice are biased towards the 6's and 1's the way the charts indicated might be possible. But so small the # of samples, even with something off balance, I would be surprised if we were seeing anything but randomness myself with my failure to deliver very many consistent shots during the show.

I did roll video with the camera, so I have it all on tape. I will probably go through and look at the shots with aces, boxcars, and 6-1 and see if I can tell which serial number was which somehow.

I don't expect to find anything, frankly. But worth sniffing around.