Ardent1
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January 23rd, 2013 at 9:40:01 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

Ardent,

this e-Craps machine has real dice.
all chips/betting is by touchscreen but the dice is real and it rolls itself.
i see the dice under a clear plastic dome.



Interblock has a real roulette under a dome where the player bets on a touchscreen.

In the roulette wheel, the ball launches by itself and the wheel spins by itself.

The players can see the ball roll around the edge of the wheel and land into a pocket.

Here's the punchline -- software drives the launch speed of the ball and software tells how fast the wheel has to spin. Get my drift.
DJTeddyBear
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January 23rd, 2013 at 9:48:17 AM permalink
Quote: Ardent1

Here's the punchline -- software drives the launch speed of the ball and software tells how fast the wheel has to spin. Get my drift.


I assume your "drift" is suggesting that the software is attempting to achieve sector targeting, and that it's targeting the sector with the fewest bets.


It is my understanding that the software uses an RNG to determine the launch speed, wheel speed, and even the delay for the launch.

Additionally, there are the same bumpers and deflectors in the wheel that are on traditional wheels.

I think your "drift" is driven by paranoia.
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January 23rd, 2013 at 9:54:53 AM permalink
How do these machines work mechanically? Has anyone done a study? Is there enough to the machine to make every roll independent? It's not just enough for it to average over time. Each roll needs to be completely independent.

The way those dice shake, can you roll a 12 then another 12? Are people tracking this?
100xOdds
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January 23rd, 2013 at 9:57:45 AM permalink
Quote: Ardent1

Interblock has a real roulette under a dome where the player bets on a touchscreen.

In the roulette wheel, the ball launches by itself and the wheel spins by itself.

The players can see the ball roll around the edge of the wheel and land into a pocket.

Here's the punchline -- software drives the launch speed of the ball and software tells how fast the wheel has to spin. Get my drift.



lol.. in craps, the dice have a sensor that tells the machine what #'s are on top.

so you're saying the machine will stop the dice bouncing at a 7 or hit the point, depending on how many right and dark bettors there are at the moment?

for roulette, you're also saying the software takes into account the weight of the ball, gravity, deflection speed off a bumper,etc to estimate a zone where the ball should land?

/tin foil hat
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January 23rd, 2013 at 10:05:23 AM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

How do these machines work mechanically? Has anyone done a study? Is there enough to the machine to make every roll independent? It's not just enough for it to average over time. Each roll needs to be completely independent.

The way those dice shake, can you roll a 12 then another 12? Are people tracking this?



i've seen back to back 12s in e-craps.
i've also seen back to back 12's on a live table.

i hope the casino is tracking the #s rolled, and the gaming commission looking over these #s every one in a while to see if it's still random.

i also wonder how often they change out to a fresh set of dice?
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DJTeddyBear
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January 23rd, 2013 at 10:12:55 AM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

The way those dice shake, can you roll a 12 then another 12? Are people tracking this?

Yes. At least with the brand machine I was watching.

When it is time to roll, the machine does little bounces to "shake" the dice. While this is going on, the players watch, and the one "stooter" eventually presses a button to "shoot" them. At that point, there is on huge bounce, with very unpredictable results. when the dice finally settle, the sensor reads them and pays the winners, etc.

FYI: I'm fairly certain that the "sensor" is just optical. I.E. The camera really does look at the dice and recognize the spot patterns. There isn't any electronics in the dice to "tell" the machine how they landed.
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January 23rd, 2013 at 10:15:32 AM permalink
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i also wonder how often they change out to a fresh set of dice?

The dice are huge. Like 4" or thereabouts. They also have rounded corners. In fact, the round is the maximum roundness you can have with a cube. I.E. Each "face" is a circle.

The result of the size and roundness means there is very little damage when they hit each other, so that they don't need to get changed too often.
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Ardent1
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January 23rd, 2013 at 10:16:41 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

I assume your "drift" is suggesting that the software is attempting to achieve sector targeting, and that it's targeting the sector with the fewest bets.



My drift is the machine runs on "software."
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January 23rd, 2013 at 10:19:50 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Yes. At least with the brand machine I was watching.

When it is time to roll, the machine does little bounces to "shake" the dice. While this is going on, the players watch, and the one "stooter" eventually presses a button to "shoot" them. At that point, there is on huge bounce, with very unpredictable results. when the dice finally settle, the sensor reads them and pays the winners, etc.

FYI: I'm fairly certain that the "sensor" is just optical. I.E. The camera really does look at the dice and recognize the spot patterns. There isn't any electronics in the dice to "tell" the machine how they landed.



ahh... optical reader.. never thought of that but makes sense.
no electronics in the dice = simplier + cheaper.
no need to do testing and prove w/globs of data that the electronics inside the dice dont interfere w/the dice outcomes
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Ardent1
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January 23rd, 2013 at 10:20:31 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

lol.. in craps, the dice have a sensor that tells the machine what #'s are on top.

so you're saying the machine will stop the dice bouncing at a 7 or hit the point, depending on how many right and dark bettors there are at the moment?

for roulette, you're also saying the software takes into account the weight of the ball, gravity, deflection speed off a bumper,etc to estimate a zone where the ball should land?



You have described a self-contained system. You forgot to ask yourself how the games was created and operated to SIMULATE craps. You just ASSUME it's the same thing as a live game.

Uhnlike you, I don't make those types of assumptions. I am a game designer by accident, and it made me realize how it is dangerous to make assumptions.

And lastly, you are free to try to put things in my mouth (which is effen rude), but I NEVER MADE YOUR CLAIMS.

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