Ahigh
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February 11th, 2013 at 8:07:52 AM permalink
Quote: Fuengirola2

I make my living playing craps and controlling the dice. Only 10 hours per week is required to earn living. Now I'm looking for an opportunity to make some extra cash from roulette using nothing more than the well-known Martingale betting! Never quit believing in these things! Woe to him who does not believe! A soul without faith is an empty soul! Only those who believe will experience the magic of these things. The dice asks for your faith, and if you believe, the dice will land wherever you want and bring you whatever number you want.





I can tell you spent at least ten seconds reading what others had to say before you categorized the discussion. Good for you! Now start and argument and call someone a name and get banned.

You may not be new to watching idiots trying to employ systems at the table. But you're new here. Good luck to you!
tupp
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February 11th, 2013 at 8:55:23 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

I fully understand the theory of 'dice influencing', I just believe it to be 100% false. I am not unclear at all. It is quite clear to me that it cannot be done, again... being clear that the dice will be tossed in the air, hit the felt, and then the back wall.


How can you be so sure?

Earlier in this thread, you said, "I have yet to see a single human toss the dice in the air, hit the felt then the back wall, and have the result have any reason to be anything but random." How do you know that the result is random? Are you logging all of the rolls of every shooter you see and charting their ratios of non-loss rolls to losing rolls?

If one expects to judge a person's skill from the result of a single roll, that indicates fundamental ignorance on the theory/practice of dice influencing.

In addition, casinos are not so sure on the impossibility of dice influencing. Even with the dice falling as you describe, dice setting is universally prohibited at small mini-tubs and crapshooter tables, as a countermeasure to dice influencing. Perhaps you could convince them that they have no need to worry, as dice influencing is 100% false as long as the dice are tossed in the air, hit the felt and then the back wall.

Incidentally, there are two other ways that the dice can fall (other than the one you mentioned) that abide by the rules.


Quote: SOOPOO

And if you want to 'set the dice' when I'm in town, let me know....


Thank you for the invitation. I would love to do so, but I don't think that I will be in Vegas on the dates you are there.
thecesspit
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February 11th, 2013 at 9:02:42 AM permalink
SOOPOO: What about dice that hit the back wall first, then hit the felt?
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
MrV
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February 11th, 2013 at 9:02:46 AM permalink
Quote: tupp

In addition, casinos are not so sure on the impossibility of dice influencing. Even with the dice falling as you describe, dice setting is universally prohibited at small mini-tubs and crapshooter tables, as a countermeasure to dice influencing. Perhaps you could convince them that they have no need to worry, as you believe that dice influencing is 100% false, as long as the dice are tossed in the air, hit the felt and then the back wall.



One has to wonder whether they adopted those countermeasures based on empirical or anecdotal evidence.

Frankly, I suspect the latter.

It is unlikely that the casinos have captured on film and then analyzed and dissected the consistent success of a d. i., someone who clearly and obviously plays with such an advantage that the casinos are forced to adopt countermeasures.

No, I think they do what they do simply because they have read the brags of d.i.'s in books and on these boards from guys who claim they are achieving a true advantage via d. i.
"What, me worry?"
TIMSPEED
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February 11th, 2013 at 9:04:07 AM permalink
Aaron,
Go to Carson City...$1 tables, and signs stating explicitly, "No setting/arranging the dice."
Apparently the idea is it slows the game down too much on a $1 crap game..
Gambling calls to me...like this ~> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nap37mNSmQ
tupp
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February 11th, 2013 at 9:11:04 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

One has to wonder whether they adopted those countermeasures based on empirical or anecdotal evidence. Frankly, I suspect the latter.
It is unlikely that the casinos have captured on film and then analyzed and dissected the consistent success of a d. i., someone who clearly and obviously plays with such an advantage that the casinos are forced to adopt countermeasures


I know that the casinos allowed dice setting on such tables for a brief period. Gee, I wonder why they would subsequently prohibit it.

By the way, one is also not allowed to lean toward the back wall when shooting, as an additional countermeasure.


Quote: MrV

No, I think they do what they do simply because they have read the brags of d.i.'s in books and on these boards from guys who claim they are achieving a true advantage via d. i.


Perhaps you could convince them to lift those restrictions, as they have nothing to worry about.
Ahigh
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February 11th, 2013 at 9:13:34 AM permalink
The $1 games are more likely to have a person come in and randomly stop for a moment and play at the table max and never come back.

That's the casino's worst fear even more than a dice setter.

A $1 game probably only has a $500 max bet. And if somebody comes in and gets $4,000 out on the table and wins $5,000 to $10,000 it could take all their profit for the last few days or weeks, maybe even months if it doesn't get much action.

I would be willing to bet there was a time or two that one such somebody did this and looked like his dice setting was paying off, and the casinos just got scared.

But that would just be a guess on my part.

The slowest table I know is Joker's Wild.
Buzzard
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February 11th, 2013 at 9:15:59 AM permalink
" Perhaps you could convince them to lift those restrictions, as they have nothing to worry about. "

But casinos want players to believe in dice setting. Or as W C Fields was fond of saying
" It's morally wrong to allow a sucker to keep his money. "
Shed not for her the bitter tear Nor give the heart to vain regret Tis but the casket that lies here, The gem that filled it Sparkles yet
superrick
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February 11th, 2013 at 9:45:23 AM permalink
Are there skilled DI's or what ever you want to call them out there?

Well lets put it this way, there are shooters that just get lucky when they have the dice, some of these are what everybody calls random rollers take Pat DeMauro, she holds the record roll of 154 rolls before she 7 out! Now they call me a DI and its a term that I take lossely, because I can 't have major rolls every time I go into a casino, some times I have a lot of PSO's or short rolls and there are days that I should have stayed in bed.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1901663,00.html#ixzz1Xh4xOw5k


Most of the times when I'm shooting I can figure out what is happening with my shooting and bring it back to the point were I can make money at it. Now when I'm shooting most players think that I just getting lucky, they have no problem putting their bets right where I've been landing my dice on every shot. The reason they are at the table is because they heard so fool screaming every time I hit a point they had money on. I started to shoot when there was nobody on the table.
Most real DI's that I know do the same thing, they play when they can find an empty table, they don't play on full tables, why would they? They want the dice in their hand, because they spend all there spare time practicing what they do.

Now for Ahigh's benefit or anybody else that doesn't understand my use of what I call the “So-Called DI's.”

They stop the game every time they get the dice back, trying to set the dice!
They take forever to get in position to make their shot!
They only shoot from SR1 or SL1.
They make hop bets that they aren't hitting!
They make prop bets that they aren't hitting!
They have way to many short rolls.
Some times after going through doing every thing from setting the dice to the point where they are going to make their shot, they then shake the dice before they shoot!
These are also the guys that never practice a thing about what they are doing.
They might have a practice rig at home but the only time they ever use it is a week before they come to some place like Vegas!

Your real DI's if they are locals will not try to kill the casinos, they want to play the game the next day and the day afterwards. If they are from out of town they will limit what they take off a table, by walking away after they have one good roll and moving on to the next casino.The main reason that happens is by the time they are done rolling the table that they started on is now full and its going to take forever to get the dice back in there hand, if the table doesn't fill up they might stay for one more roll to see if they can make it happen again.

Since they coined the word DI or what ever you want to call someone that sets the dice, the casinos have been doing everything they can to stop anybody that sets they dice, because of what I call the “Great Fiction Writers.” Now for Ahigh's benefit or anybody else that doesn't understand my use of what I call the “Great Fiction Writers.”

These guys are what caused all the changes that the casinos have done to come about to their tables we all play on and to how we are all treated. They write how they take hundreds of thousands of dollars off the tables every year! My favorite one was writing for years that he had a SRR of 28 up in till a few months ago, he vigorusly defended that claim to his fame for years and has only admitted that he must have made a mistake to what he wrote. His way of back pedaling his way out of his claim over on Heavy's board!

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Heavy

MP - since the SRR of 28 thing continues to come up - both from Irish and Super Rick - why don't you addressa this. Was the 28 SRR a result of short-term variance in your tracking or was it a pure bullshit number you came up with to make for a better post? Like Irish and SR, I think a claim of a long run SRR in that range is pretty hard to believe.
MP's reply



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MP

There's no doubt that the SRR-28 thing was a prime example of using too few samples that were drawn only from hands that exceeded the 5-count.

Big mistake? Absolutely!


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Then you have Heavy's post:

Heavy

MP - Your posts are starting to look like something from the Rainbow Coalition. No, that was not a racial joke. Just saying.

I appreciate your comment regarding the SRR of 29 and roll sample size . . . but after the 5 count? Surely you have not been sipping from the GTC Kool Aid pitcher.





Here is the link to that great peice of what I say is fiction.

http://www.dicesetter.com/mp/dmad86improve.htm

Then there is this great piece of writing, found in the crapshooting bible:

Page 255

Hands :18

Rolls:8,12,10,4,27,18,41,21,9,30,40,39,6,5,32,45,3 2,17 and players walk away from his table, that is what is in the book, would you walk away?

Now here is my question for every guy that has been posting on this thread, do you believe this to be a true story, or was it just a great piece of fiction in the crapshooting bible?

Now just for you Ahigh, I know that you will have something to write about what I just wrote, and if you tell the world that you don't think these little pieces of what I'm saying is fiction, is fiction! I have a few more things that everybody can focus on! As this post got to long already I will make it in two part's.

Now the reason why everybody is reading this thread, is because of all the BS that is written by these great fiction writers, in my opinion!
Note, all my post start with this is just my opinion...! You do good brada ..! superrick Winning comes from knowledge and skill when your betting and not reading fiction http://procraps4u2.myfanforum.org/index.php ...
dicesitter
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February 13th, 2013 at 8:32:06 AM permalink
well a couple of things.

Dice sitting is not universally banned on tubs......we play on them all the time.There is one excellent tub
in vegas open in warmer months by a pool.

There are alot of reasons some casino's dont want dice sitting, first some beleive it works, second some think it slows the
game down, some have seen dice teams come through and be hot and make alot of money.

We had that happen in Wisconsin, a team came through and took some money from a small casino.... after that they banned
any type of dice setting..... period. I spoke with them and showed them how they actually make money on dice sitting and
they understood, but it stayed closed......for 2 years.... Then they woke up when the dealers were making no tips, the table sat
empty, most of the gaming tables were empty.

It was not because there were alot of dicesitters.... there were only 2 really, but because of the over-all affect, I quit going, so
my wife did not go, my son did not go, My wife's aunt or my mother would ride with us now and then, my playing partners quit going,'
their wives and friends and on and on.

Now they are the most friendly place around, they actually cheer for you to do well and since we always tip on our pass line bets
when throwing, the crew keeps their own tips, so they are happy to see us. The crew also makes pretty darn good money on hardway
bets now and then.

they understand that when table limits are low a person like me may make more than i lose, but alot of other players
lose more than they make..... the more people there, the better it is for the casino..

Dicesitting is good for you,, ,and good for the casino

dicesitter

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